LOST (Game Over)

Large Theme Games (based on source material and/or changes to mechanics/rules)
(14+ players)
. Signup Threads In Queue Forum
Forum rules
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5714
Joined: April 14, 2012
Location: somewhere close

Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:01 pm

Post by JohnnyFarrar »

Gif
Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia
User avatar
T-Bone
T-Bone
He/Him
A Cut Above
User avatar
User avatar
T-Bone
He/Him
A Cut Above
A Cut Above
Posts: 7601
Joined: February 18, 2011
Pronoun: He/Him
Location: Shrug City
Contact:

Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:07 pm

Post by T-Bone »

In post 1998, Taly wrote:
In post 1993, T-Bone wrote:
In post 1991, Taly wrote:pooky/t-bone i want to hear your take of marci!scum
I'ma be honest I don't know who Marci is.
off the hook
hydra
I was joking cause they are in a hydra.

I have Off the Hook as a scumlean but I don't remember why off the top of my head and I haven't reevaluated as of yet since I haven't found anything they've posted recently that caught my eye. But like if you have a meta reason for reading them town, that doesn't resonate with me, so I couldn't engage you on that point.
I have a Twitch!
I have a Youtube!

"Playing in a Newbie game doesn't count" ~ PenguinPower, Feb 2019
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5714
Joined: April 14, 2012
Location: somewhere close

Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:07 pm

Post by JohnnyFarrar »

In post 1998, Taly wrote:honestly the vibe in our PT feels moment-to-moment but im trying to avoid paranoia as much as possible.
I sympathize
In post 1998, Taly wrote:pooky's the closest to build a consensus actively within this plist, you think that is town or scum motivated?
I like pooky for town. The list would be a brilliant thing to hide behind as scum, but I think he's being forthcoming with his own thoughts as well
Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia
User avatar
Taly
Taly
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Taly
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 8000
Joined: July 26, 2014

Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:12 pm

Post by Taly »

In post 1999, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 1991, Taly wrote:
johnny
did you get to my thoughts about slots im familiar with earlier?

i vaguely skimmed
BBT's
takedown on a post, i dont think "LAMIST" is ever an appropriate depiction of my playstyle.

cor
, you made a post implying you felt the same but wanted
BBT
to expand - what is your vex with me?

pooky/t-bone
i want to hear your take of
marci
!scum

kind of lost on the
johnny
scumreads
I read those as joke posts re: Marci.

I don’t think he is either. Think Cephir could be town because he sounds different than in PA. I’m so lost as to who’s scum. :/
ill switch gears a bit since several people have expressed feeling lost here

anyone in my
+ null / town
list in is off the table for me today unless any whack shit is pulled or a consensus is absolutely necessaru.
(possible exceptions: T-Bone + as of recent, I want to hear from Cor about my question, I liked OTH's recent post about me, felt in good faith.)

In post 1704, Taly wrote:? null
Klick ***
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir ***
Malakittens
PenguinPower ***
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever ***
Enchant

- null
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone
this is the PoE but it's too large to suggest it as so, it's more of who i am going to focus on sorting for an elimination.

i have no clue how many scum there are in this large a playerlist but 6-7 seem safe?

so roughly half the list is town, other is scum, given i am often wrong on 2 scum at this stage of a large game, 8-9 townies.

PoE needs to be quickly chopped down to 3.

gameplan set, yay! :D

pedit

T-Bone wrote:
In post 1998, Taly wrote:
In post 1993, T-Bone wrote:
In post 1991, Taly wrote:pooky/t-bone i want to hear your take of marci!scum
I'ma be honest I don't know who Marci is.
off the hook
hydra
I was joking cause they are in a hydra.

I have Off the Hook as a scumlean but I don't remember why off the top of my head and I haven't reevaluated as of yet since I haven't found anything they've posted recently that caught my eye. But like if you have a meta reason for reading them town, that doesn't resonate with me, so I couldn't engage you on that point.
oof me bad at interpreting jokes online

and fair enough
JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 1998, Taly wrote:honestly the vibe in our PT feels moment-to-moment but im trying to avoid paranoia as much as possible.
I sympathize
In post 1998, Taly wrote:pooky's the closest to build a consensus actively within this plist, you think that is town or scum motivated?
I like pooky for town. The list would be a brilliant thing to hide behind as scum, but I think he's being forthcoming with his own thoughts as well
we agree on something :) makes me feel more confident then.
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5714
Joined: April 14, 2012
Location: somewhere close

Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:15 pm

Post by JohnnyFarrar »

In post 2003, Taly wrote:but 6-7 seem safe
OP says 5, which seems low to me
Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia
User avatar
Taly
Taly
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Taly
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 8000
Joined: July 26, 2014

Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:17 pm

Post by Taly »

2022 Taly Reading Setup Before Making Important Game Assessments: 0/1


It's an official counter.

Sol
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1419
Joined: September 30, 2019
Pronoun: They/Them
Location: Parachute Funhouse

Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:18 pm

Post by Dancing Puppets »

Spoiler:
In post 1995, Taly wrote:
In post 1772, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 1580, Taly wrote:
taly's besties


gamma:
passive vibes, especially from that
"hello taly"
post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on
Titus
head in the skim and inquire on that.
marcistar:
I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.
OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:
Coming from someone who has hydra'd with
Galron
before, I see nothing in
Galron's
ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about
Klick
. What townpings is the consistency with
Rad
-town and
Frogs
-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of
Gal/Rad
but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.
Galron
,
Frogs
PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:
TI
TU
S
I
EXI
ST
<3
. i declare myself a
titus
whisperer, my read on her is law.
nancy:
isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town
ALSO HI NANCY <3


dwlee:
drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good :D i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:
Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because
Dunn
is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted
Dunn
? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:
my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.
theMAFIAbear
, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:
My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized
Toog
has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with
Toog's
since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for
Toog
to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay :( ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:
johnny
you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with
ceph/penguin/mala/enchant
but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.
Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.
its akin to that
"you use a magnifying glass as town V something else as scum"
analogy

any read outside of your slot that you disagree with?


I think you said that scum!me is like hot knife through butter and town!me looks at everything through a magnifying glass. I ought to know it’s in my sigline.

To answer your question, I’m pretty much vibing with this read. I think J probably misconstrued your earlier comment about me, which is why I was confused.

I would be more than happy to mercilessly beat down scum, once I have a much more confident idea on who they are.

One thing I don’t vibe with you on is your Pooky read, I think he’s seems pretty town here. At first I also didn’t get wtf he was doing with that but it reminds me of Ari in PYP, she also made a lot of charts in that. Pooky also lacks that menacing tone he has as scum. Maybe the readslist thing could possibly be role related? \_0_/
Dance, dance
And these are the lives you love to lead
~ Fall Out Boy

Hydra of Titus and Nancy Drew 39
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1419
Joined: September 30, 2019
Pronoun: They/Them
Location: Parachute Funhouse

Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:21 pm

Post by Dancing Puppets »

Spoiler:
In post 2003, Taly wrote:
In post 1999, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 1991, Taly wrote:
johnny
did you get to my thoughts about slots im familiar with earlier?

i vaguely skimmed
BBT's
takedown on a post, i dont think "LAMIST" is ever an appropriate depiction of my playstyle.

cor
, you made a post implying you felt the same but wanted
BBT
to expand - what is your vex with me?

pooky/t-bone
i want to hear your take of
marci
!scum

kind of lost on the
johnny
scumreads
I read those as joke posts re: Marci.

I don’t think he is either. Think Cephir could be town because he sounds different than in PA. I’m so lost as to who’s scum. :/
ill switch gears a bit since several people have expressed feeling lost here

anyone in my
+ null / town
list in is off the table for me today unless any whack shit is pulled or a consensus is absolutely necessaru.
(possible exceptions: T-Bone + as of recent, I want to hear from Cor about my question, I liked OTH's recent post about me, felt in good faith.)

In post 1704, Taly wrote:? null
Klick ***
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir ***
Malakittens
PenguinPower ***
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever ***
Enchant

- null
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone
this is the PoE but it's too large to suggest it as so, it's more of who i am going to focus on sorting for an elimination.

i have no clue how many scum there are in this large a playerlist but 6-7 seem safe?

so roughly half the list is town, other is scum, given i am often wrong on 2 scum at this stage of a large game, 8-9 townies.

PoE needs to be quickly chopped down to 3.

gameplan set, yay! :D

pedit

T-Bone wrote:
In post 1998, Taly wrote:
In post 1993, T-Bone wrote:
In post 1991, Taly wrote:pooky/t-bone i want to hear your take of marci!scum
I'ma be honest I don't know who Marci is.
off the hook
hydra
I was joking cause they are in a hydra.

I have Off the Hook as a scumlean but I don't remember why off the top of my head and I haven't reevaluated as of yet since I haven't found anything they've posted recently that caught my eye. But like if you have a meta reason for reading them town, that doesn't resonate with me, so I couldn't engage you on that point.
oof me bad at interpreting jokes online

and fair enough
JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 1998, Taly wrote:honestly the vibe in our PT feels moment-to-moment but im trying to avoid paranoia as much as possible.
I sympathize
In post 1998, Taly wrote:pooky's the closest to build a consensus actively within this plist, you think that is town or scum motivated?
I like pooky for town. The list would be a brilliant thing to hide behind as scum, but I think he's being forthcoming with his own thoughts as well
we agree on something :) makes me feel more confident then.


Oh you’re tr him then, your last post confused me. :lol:
Dance, dance
And these are the lives you love to lead
~ Fall Out Boy

Hydra of Titus and Nancy Drew 39
User avatar
Taly
Taly
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Taly
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 8000
Joined: July 26, 2014

Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:21 pm

Post by Taly »

In post 1, Save The Dragons wrote:1. Roles are not revealed upon kills, but alignment is. There may or may not be ways to uncover roles. Flavor is not revealed upon flip.
2. There are 5 mafia and 21 town.

3. This game is bastard because it contains something bastard. It is relatively minor, don't expect tons of bastard mechanics.
4. Mafia is not determined by flavor. That means roles were mostly selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.
5. There are ways for dead players to interact with the game, so it's important to not spoil anything or talk about the game while it's ongoing with anyone.
6. There is at least 1 vanilla townie in this game. The vanilla townie role PM looks like this:
7. Daychat and multitasking are in effect.
Spoiler: cursed GIF
Image


pedit

Dancing Puppets wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1995, Taly wrote:
In post 1772, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 1580, Taly wrote:
taly's besties


gamma:
passive vibes, especially from that
"hello taly"
post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on
Titus
head in the skim and inquire on that.
marcistar:
I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.
OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:
Coming from someone who has hydra'd with
Galron
before, I see nothing in
Galron's
ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about
Klick
. What townpings is the consistency with
Rad
-town and
Frogs
-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of
Gal/Rad
but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.
Galron
,
Frogs
PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:
TI
TU
S
I
EXI
ST
<3
. i declare myself a
titus
whisperer, my read on her is law.
nancy:
isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town
ALSO HI NANCY <3


dwlee:
drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good :D i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:
Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because
Dunn
is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted
Dunn
? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:
my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.
theMAFIAbear
, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:
My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized
Toog
has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with
Toog's
since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for
Toog
to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay :( ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:
johnny
you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with
ceph/penguin/mala/enchant
but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.
Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.
its akin to that
"you use a magnifying glass as town V something else as scum"
analogy

any read outside of your slot that you disagree with?


I think you said that scum!me is like hot knife through butter and town!me looks at everything through a magnifying glass. I ought to know it’s in my sigline.

To answer your question, I’m pretty much vibing with this read. I think J probably misconstrued your earlier comment about me, which is why I was confused.

I would be more than happy to mercilessly beat down scum, once I have a much more confident idea on who they are.

One thing I don’t vibe with you on is your Pooky read, I think he’s seems pretty town here. At first I also didn’t get wtf he was doing with that but it reminds me of Ari in PYP, she also made a lot of charts in that. Pooky also lacks that menacing tone he has as scum. Maybe the readslist thing could possibly be role related? \_0_/
oh i felt better with
pooky
!town after they gave me like 6 reasons to suggest why doing a readslist is good.

tbh i get the argument that, yes, readslists from all players are very effective for scum to manuver, but for a D1 with 26p, it feels necessary and pro-town
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5714
Joined: April 14, 2012
Location: somewhere close

Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:26 pm

Post by JohnnyFarrar »

BRB comparing our poe
Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1419
Joined: September 30, 2019
Pronoun: They/Them
Location: Parachute Funhouse

Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:29 pm

Post by Dancing Puppets »

Spoiler:
In post 2008, Taly wrote:
In post 1, Save The Dragons wrote:1. Roles are not revealed upon kills, but alignment is. There may or may not be ways to uncover roles. Flavor is not revealed upon flip.
2. There are 5 mafia and 21 town.

3. This game is bastard because it contains something bastard. It is relatively minor, don't expect tons of bastard mechanics.
4. Mafia is not determined by flavor. That means roles were mostly selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.
5. There are ways for dead players to interact with the game, so it's important to not spoil anything or talk about the game while it's ongoing with anyone.
6. There is at least 1 vanilla townie in this game. The vanilla townie role PM looks like this:
7. Daychat and multitasking are in effect.
[cursed GIF]Image

pedit

Dancing Puppets wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1995, Taly wrote:
In post 1772, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 1580, Taly wrote:
taly's besties


gamma:
passive vibes, especially from that
"hello taly"
post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on
Titus
head in the skim and inquire on that.
marcistar:
I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.
OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:
Coming from someone who has hydra'd with
Galron
before, I see nothing in
Galron's
ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about
Klick
. What townpings is the consistency with
Rad
-town and
Frogs
-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of
Gal/Rad
but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.
Galron
,
Frogs
PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:
TI
TU
S
I
EXI
ST
<3
. i declare myself a
titus
whisperer, my read on her is law.
nancy:
isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town
ALSO HI NANCY <3


dwlee:
drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good :D i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:
Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because
Dunn
is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted
Dunn
? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:
my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.
theMAFIAbear
, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:
My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized
Toog
has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with
Toog's
since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for
Toog
to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay :( ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:
johnny
you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with
ceph/penguin/mala/enchant
but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.
Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.
its akin to that
"you use a magnifying glass as town V something else as scum"
analogy

any read outside of your slot that you disagree with?
I think you said that scum!me is like hot knife through butter and town!me looks at everything through a magnifying glass. I ought to know it’s in my sigline.

To answer your question, I’m pretty much vibing with this read. I think J probably misconstrued your earlier comment about me, which is why I was confused.

I would be more than happy to mercilessly beat down scum, once I have a much more confident idea on who they are.

One thing I don’t vibe with you on is your Pooky read, I think he’s seems pretty town here. At first I also didn’t get wtf he was doing with that but it reminds me of Ari in PYP, she also made a lot of charts in that. Pooky also lacks that menacing tone he has as scum. Maybe the readslist thing could possibly be role related? \_0_/
oh i felt better with
pooky
!town after they gave me like 6 reasons to suggest why doing a readslist is good.

tbh i get the argument that, yes, readslists from all players are very effective for scum to manuver, but for a D1 with 26p, it feels necessary and pro-town


It’s not his asking for the readslists themselves that I tr, it’s what he did with them: the graphs. He’s keeping an ongoing record of the gamestate - something that is generally counterintuitive for scum to do.
Dance, dance
And these are the lives you love to lead
~ Fall Out Boy

Hydra of Titus and Nancy Drew 39
User avatar
T-Bone
T-Bone
He/Him
A Cut Above
User avatar
User avatar
T-Bone
He/Him
A Cut Above
A Cut Above
Posts: 7601
Joined: February 18, 2011
Pronoun: He/Him
Location: Shrug City
Contact:

Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:33 pm

Post by T-Bone »

Explain that please. Why?
I have a Twitch!
I have a Youtube!

"Playing in a Newbie game doesn't count" ~ PenguinPower, Feb 2019
User avatar
Bell
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
User avatar
User avatar
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
Sharp Note
Posts: 14474
Joined: July 14, 2020
Pronoun: He/him

Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:33 pm

Post by Bell »

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.
User avatar
Bell
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
User avatar
User avatar
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
Sharp Note
Posts: 14474
Joined: July 14, 2020
Pronoun: He/him

Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:34 pm

Post by Bell »

…also my understanding of the game state is usually better as scum than town, but like.
*can’t be assed*
User avatar
Taly
Taly
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Taly
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 8000
Joined: July 26, 2014

Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:35 pm

Post by Taly »

In post 2010, Dancing Puppets wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 2008, Taly wrote:
In post 1, Save The Dragons wrote:1. Roles are not revealed upon kills, but alignment is. There may or may not be ways to uncover roles. Flavor is not revealed upon flip.
2. There are 5 mafia and 21 town.

3. This game is bastard because it contains something bastard. It is relatively minor, don't expect tons of bastard mechanics.
4. Mafia is not determined by flavor. That means roles were mostly selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.
5. There are ways for dead players to interact with the game, so it's important to not spoil anything or talk about the game while it's ongoing with anyone.
6. There is at least 1 vanilla townie in this game. The vanilla townie role PM looks like this:
7. Daychat and multitasking are in effect.
[cursed GIF]Image

pedit

Dancing Puppets wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1995, Taly wrote:
In post 1772, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 1580, Taly wrote:
taly's besties


gamma:
passive vibes, especially from that
"hello taly"
post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on
Titus
head in the skim and inquire on that.
marcistar:
I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.
OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:
Coming from someone who has hydra'd with
Galron
before, I see nothing in
Galron's
ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about
Klick
. What townpings is the consistency with
Rad
-town and
Frogs
-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of
Gal/Rad
but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.
Galron
,
Frogs
PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:
TI
TU
S
I
EXI
ST
<3
. i declare myself a
titus
whisperer, my read on her is law.
nancy:
isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town
ALSO HI NANCY <3


dwlee:
drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good :D i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:
Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because
Dunn
is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted
Dunn
? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:
my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.
theMAFIAbear
, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:
My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized
Toog
has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with
Toog's
since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for
Toog
to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay :( ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:
johnny
you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with
ceph/penguin/mala/enchant
but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.
Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.
its akin to that
"you use a magnifying glass as town V something else as scum"
analogy

any read outside of your slot that you disagree with?
I think you said that scum!me is like hot knife through butter and town!me looks at everything through a magnifying glass. I ought to know it’s in my sigline.

To answer your question, I’m pretty much vibing with this read. I think J probably misconstrued your earlier comment about me, which is why I was confused.

I would be more than happy to mercilessly beat down scum, once I have a much more confident idea on who they are.

One thing I don’t vibe with you on is your Pooky read, I think he’s seems pretty town here. At first I also didn’t get wtf he was doing with that but it reminds me of Ari in PYP, she also made a lot of charts in that. Pooky also lacks that menacing tone he has as scum. Maybe the readslist thing could possibly be role related? \_0_/
oh i felt better with
pooky
!town after they gave me like 6 reasons to suggest why doing a readslist is good.

tbh i get the argument that, yes, readslists from all players are very effective for scum to manuver, but for a D1 with 26p, it feels necessary and pro-town


It’s not his asking for the readslists themselves that I tr, it’s what he did with them: the graphs. He’s keeping an ongoing record of the gamestate - something that is generally counterintuitive for scum to do.
good point,
@T-Bone for p-edit
I think it's counterintuitive for scum because scum can often mold the gamestate to their desires, by keeping an active record of gamestate and consensus for town in real-time, it's more difficult to misconstrue events in favor for a scum-aligned narrative later.

how do you feel about
galron
,
nancy
?

pedit again

Bell wrote:Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.
then whats an AI action from
pooky
in your eyes so far, if one?
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
User avatar
T-Bone
T-Bone
He/Him
A Cut Above
User avatar
User avatar
T-Bone
He/Him
A Cut Above
A Cut Above
Posts: 7601
Joined: February 18, 2011
Pronoun: He/Him
Location: Shrug City
Contact:

Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:37 pm

Post by T-Bone »

Sorry that was at Puppets.
I have a Twitch!
I have a Youtube!

"Playing in a Newbie game doesn't count" ~ PenguinPower, Feb 2019
User avatar
Bell
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
User avatar
User avatar
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
Sharp Note
Posts: 14474
Joined: July 14, 2020
Pronoun: He/him

Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:38 pm

Post by Bell »

The biggest AI thing pooky has done so far early game is that he has done something so far early game.
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5714
Joined: April 14, 2012
Location: somewhere close

Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:40 pm

Post by JohnnyFarrar »

Spoiler: Johnny's Poe
BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Roden
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Klick
PenguinPower
Bell
Cephrir
Frogsterking


Spoiler: Taly's Poe
In post 2003, Taly wrote:Klick
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir
Malakittens
PenguinPower
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone


@Taly when comparing our lists, these are the people you've removed but I haven't:
Bell (we discussed, feel free to skip explanation)
Bellaphant
Roden
Galron
Mala
Nancy and Titus

Do you care to help me remove them from mine?

I'm missing:
T-Bone, and I don't think T-Bone scum goes after the post restricted Ircher slot. Seems actively un-fun, unless they're scum together but we're gonna save that paranoia for later
Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia
User avatar
MalcolmTucker
MalcolmTucker
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
MalcolmTucker
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 2217
Joined: January 9, 2022

Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:41 pm

Post by MalcolmTucker »

I agree with CSF and Frogster that Johnny's read on Frog seems quite weak. If nobody else had been particularly SR'ing the slot then I'd put it down to town just having a gut-read early on. But given Frog got quite a lot of attention early on I think it's possible Johnny saw some momentum on a player that looks townie now and felt like it would be an ideal place to put their vote as scum.

From one POV you'd expect them to have backed off by now considering there's essentially an admission their read isn't that strong, but I think it's also possible Johnny could be fairly self-aware scum here if they haven't pushed much elsewhere and want to look as if they're at least trying to maintain some sort of pressure on a slot.
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5714
Joined: April 14, 2012
Location: somewhere close

Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:42 pm

Post by JohnnyFarrar »

I should also say I'm taking dweelee off my list until he stops being sick
Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1419
Joined: September 30, 2019
Pronoun: They/Them
Location: Parachute Funhouse

Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:47 pm

Post by Dancing Puppets »

In post 2011, T-Bone wrote:Explain that please. Why?
Because it’s in scum’s interest to not have people know what’s happening. This behaviour is overwhelmingly protown and In the vast majority of games I’ve been in, this type of play has nearly always been from town.
Dance, dance
And these are the lives you love to lead
~ Fall Out Boy

Hydra of Titus and Nancy Drew 39
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1419
Joined: September 30, 2019
Pronoun: They/Them
Location: Parachute Funhouse

Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:49 pm

Post by Dancing Puppets »

In post 2012, Bell wrote:Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.
How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.
Dance, dance
And these are the lives you love to lead
~ Fall Out Boy

Hydra of Titus and Nancy Drew 39
User avatar
Taly
Taly
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Taly
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 8000
Joined: July 26, 2014

Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:52 pm

Post by Taly »

In post 2017, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Spoiler: Johnny's Poe
BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Roden
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Klick
PenguinPower
Bell
Cephrir
Frogsterking


Spoiler: Taly's Poe
In post 2003, Taly wrote:Klick
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir
Malakittens
PenguinPower
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone


@Taly when comparing our lists, these are the people you've removed but I haven't:
Bell (we discussed, feel free to skip explanation)
Bellaphant
Roden
Galron
Mala
Nancy and Titus

Do you care to help me remove them from mine?

I'm missing:
T-Bone, and I don't think T-Bone scum goes after the post restricted Ircher slot. Seems actively un-fun, unless they're scum together but we're gonna save that paranoia for later
oof, it was lost on me that
Cytosine/Guanine
were post-restricted? where is the source?

bella:
I liked the questions they've asked so far and the timing at which they were done, need me to pick them out?

roden:
saw them posit a town/town between two players in a post? (i should review this at some point) don't think that's typical for scum behavior when there's no notable 1v1s occurring? it's enough to make my eyes go somewhere else.

mala:
ive seen mislimmed early-game for a lack of active, focused, nuanced content - i dont think they're a player that's well-read given the current site culture. im weary, i want to give this slot some time. itll be an easier sort later.

nancy/titus/galron:
best that you ISO me for reads on these two slots.
In post 2018, MalcolmTucker wrote:I agree with CSF and Frogster that Johnny's read on Frog seems quite weak. If nobody else had been particularly SR'ing the slot then I'd put it down to town just having a gut-read early on. But given Frog got quite a lot of attention early on I think it's possible Johnny saw some momentum on a player that looks townie now and felt like it would be an ideal place to put their vote as scum.

From one POV you'd expect them to have backed off by now considering there's essentially an admission their read isn't that strong, but I think it's also possible Johnny could be fairly self-aware scum here if they haven't pushed much elsewhere and want to look as if they're at least trying to maintain some sort of pressure on a slot.
nah im not feeling the
johnny
scumreads, largely because of how constructively they're discussing reads with me and mindmelding on a few takes so far. since the game is still relatively fresh it seems to be pure to me.

you think im being pocketed?
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5714
Joined: April 14, 2012
Location: somewhere close

Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:53 pm

Post by JohnnyFarrar »

In post 6, Cytosine and Guanine wrote:VOTE: Corwin
100 D1 Words Total PR Excluding Quotes (Jin)
-Guanine
Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1419
Joined: September 30, 2019
Pronoun: They/Them
Location: Parachute Funhouse

Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:56 pm

Post by Dancing Puppets »

In post 2017, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Spoiler: Johnny's Poe
BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Roden
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Klick
PenguinPower
Bell
Cephrir
Frogsterking


Spoiler: Taly's Poe
In post 2003, Taly wrote:Klick
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir
Malakittens
PenguinPower
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone


@Taly when comparing our lists, these are the people you've removed but I haven't:
Bell (we discussed, feel free to skip explanation)
Bellaphant
Roden
Galron
Mala
Nancy and Titus

Do you care to help me remove them from mine?

I'm missing:
T-Bone, and I don't think T-Bone scum goes after the post restricted Ircher slot. Seems actively un-fun, unless they're scum together but we're gonna save that paranoia for later
I’ll help, read that insect game again, several times.
Dance, dance
And these are the lives you love to lead
~ Fall Out Boy

Hydra of Titus and Nancy Drew 39
Locked