LOST (Game Over)

[T-Bone]

Also, hi

[Bell]

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.

We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)

[MalcolmTucker]

Spoiler: Johnny's Poe

BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Roden
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Klick
PenguinPower
Bell
Cephrir
Frogsterking

Spoiler: Taly's Poe

Klick
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir
Malakittens
PenguinPower
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook
T-Bone

@Taly when comparing our lists, these are the people you've removed but I haven't:
Bell (we discussed, feel free to skip explanation)
Bellaphant
Roden
Galron
Mala
Nancy and Titus

Do you care to help me remove them from mine?

I'm missing:
T-Bone, and I don't think T-Bone scum goes after the post restricted Ircher slot. Seems actively un-fun, unless they're scum together but we're gonna save that paranoia for later

oof, it was lost on me that

Cytosine/Guanine

were post-restricted? where is the source?

bella:

I liked the questions they've asked so far and the timing at which they were done, need me to pick them out?

roden:

saw them posit a town/town between two players in a post? (i should review this at some point) don't think that's typical for scum behavior when there's no notable 1v1s occurring? it's enough to make my eyes go somewhere else.

mala:

ive seen mislimmed early-game for a lack of active, focused, nuanced content - i dont think they're a player that's well-read given the current site culture. im weary, i want to give this slot some time. itll be an easier sort later.

nancy/titus/galron:

best that you ISO me for reads on these two slots.

I agree with CSF and Frogster that Johnny's read on Frog seems quite weak. If nobody else had been particularly SR'ing the slot then I'd put it down to town just having a gut-read early on. But given Frog got quite a lot of attention early on I think it's possible Johnny saw some momentum on a player that looks townie now and felt like it would be an ideal place to put their vote as scum.

From one POV you'd expect them to have backed off by now considering there's essentially an admission their read isn't that strong, but I think it's also possible Johnny could be fairly self-aware scum here if they haven't pushed much elsewhere and want to look as if they're at least trying to maintain some sort of pressure on a slot.

nah im not feeling the

johnny

scumreads, largely because of how constructively they're discussing reads with me and mindmelding on a few takes so far. since the game is still relatively fresh it seems to be pure to me.

you think im being pocketed?

May not necessarily be a deliberate pocketing but it's not impossible - scum can fake being constructive when it's useful, or if they think town are perhaps going down the wrong path. My no1 issue with Johnny after a look through their ISO is their primary SR is someone they don't even seem to particularly strongly SR. Of course, you could argue scum would be more aware of this and would have backup reads ready if their main read fades away but in a game of this size it's probably more viable for scum, if they seem helpful, to slip through the cracks early on because there's so many players and it's easy to miss when one individual scum doesn't necessarily have any reads they've managed to make look genuine.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

1. Roles are not revealed upon kills, but alignment is. There may or may not be ways to uncover roles. Flavor is not revealed upon flip.

2. There are 5 mafia and 21 town.

3. This game is bastard because it contains something bastard. It is relatively minor, don't expect tons of bastard mechanics.
4. Mafia is not determined by flavor. That means roles were mostly selected at random to determine which roles would be mafia.
5. There are ways for dead players to interact with the game, so it's important to not spoil anything or talk about the game while it's ongoing with anyone.
6. There is at least 1 vanilla townie in this game. The vanilla townie role PM looks like this:
7. Daychat and multitasking are in effect.

[cursed GIF]

pedit

Spoiler:

taly's besties

gamma:

passive vibes, especially from that

"hello taly"

post. I get the impression their mentality towards mafia has changed from last year where we played several games as opposing alignments. I missed their thought on

Titus

head in the skim and inquire on that.

marcistar:

I don't feel much depth to their questions or the opinions they've given, IE, skimming the hydra I don't know their reads well. I also see a lack of townreads despite the volume of people they're talking to.

OTH, vibe with me bbs<3

-townreads
-energy level/WIM
-memes

galron:

Coming from someone who has hydra'd with

Galron

before, I see nothing in

Galron's

ISO that's atypical. Doesn't like to give info about townreads but I am curious about

Klick

. What townpings is the consistency with

Rad

-town and

Frogs

-scum. I feel good about doubling down on my initial T/T read of

Gal/Rad

but I'd like to hear more from them about other slots. (Does "null" equal no thoughts or net neutral?) But I don't think that's very productive approach in sorting him this early in a large playerlist.

Galron

,

Frogs

PoE was 1000 posts ago, do you think their progression matches that original post?

titus:

TI

TU

S

I

EXI

ST

<3

. i declare myself a

titus

whisperer, my read on her is law.

nancy:

isn't mercilessly beating down players with scrutiny, so +town

ALSO HI NANCY <3

dwlee:

drowned out by the playerlist as expected, me want them around when they feel good i feel confident in my ability to sort them with some tea and lemon cakes.

dunn:

Much more active than scumgames I've seen of them and is attentive to how people respond to their roles and mechanics, which was different from how they approached a scumgame like Slaughter Hour. I'm not worried with this slot off their posts thus far. I'll be honest, this isn't an in-depth read specifically because

Dunn

is more active off first glance and so my initial ping is town, me no want to vote, me move on. I think someone voted

Dunn

? If so, I'd like to hear why.

pooky

poopy:

my strategy is to just meme until the vibe is off. me have done ugly TvTs and me have been fence-sitty T/T besties with this one. i dont have a strong first-hand perspective of their scumplay but their push for content is helpful in discerning a motive.

theMAFIAbear

, what do you get out of having the thread spew a readslist?

bell:

My focus is to parse the origin of their caution towards this slot and how that progresses to see if it comes from an informed perspective. So far I got townpings but I'm still thinking.

I just realized

Toog

has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

I'm failing to see the issue with

Toog's

413 since it's practically standalone, there was not much time for

Toog

to follow-up with his perspective before an accident (I hope he's okay ). And as a first post, the context of claiming role information and conflating it with alignment has a town motive in gauging reactions.

johnnyfarrar:

johnny

you prompted this from me, so thoughts?
rough feels of this group is that I'm still sorting but they're either null or townlean. which is interesting as that implies scum are players i am unfamiliar with.

i also have some familiarity with

ceph/penguin/mala/enchant

but nothing to construct much insight into them as a player.

Interesting post. Do I actually “beat down players with scrutiny as scum”? That’s actually news to me but your read is still right regardless.

I don’t know what you’re seeing BBT, this looks like Taly in pretty much every towngame I’ve played with them.

its akin to that

"you use a magnifying glass as town V something else as scum"

analogy

any read outside of your slot that you disagree with?

I think you said that scum!me is like hot knife through butter and town!me looks at everything through a magnifying glass. I ought to know it’s in my sigline.

To answer your question, I’m pretty much vibing with this read. I think J probably misconstrued your earlier comment about me, which is why I was confused.

I would be more than happy to mercilessly beat down scum, once I have a much more confident idea on who they are.

One thing I don’t vibe with you on is your Pooky read, I think he’s seems pretty town here. At first I also didn’t get wtf he was doing with that but it reminds me of Ari in PYP, she also made a lot of charts in that. Pooky also lacks that menacing tone he has as scum. Maybe the readslist thing could possibly be role related? \_0_/

oh i felt better with

pooky

!town after they gave me like 6 reasons to suggest why doing a readslist is good.

tbh i get the argument that, yes, readslists from all players are very effective for scum to manuver, but for a D1 with 26p, it feels necessary and pro-town

It’s not his asking for the readslists themselves that I tr, it’s what he did with them: the graphs. He’s keeping an ongoing record of the gamestate - something that is generally counterintuitive for scum to do.

good point,

@T-Bone for p-edit

I think it's counterintuitive for scum because scum can often mold the gamestate to their desires, by keeping an active record of gamestate and consensus for town in real-time, it's more difficult to misconstrue events in favor for a scum-aligned narrative later.

how do you feel about

galron

,

nancy

?

pedit again

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

then whats an AI action from

pooky

in your eyes so far, if one?

I think Galron’s town. If you’ve read my ISO you’d see thar he was one of the slots. I hard vetoed limming today. Galron appears to be genuinely solving, so I totally do not get the srs on him at all.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I’ll help, read that insect game again, several times.

I played that game during a week-long stay in the hospital I had almost blocked it out.

[Dancing Puppets]

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.

We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)

But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon. Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum. He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?

[Rad]

Cool. Thanks.
Real quick before you go.
Are you scum?

Come on now. I'm town as fuck

Bbt - what had you done before that post that you think should have marked you as town as fuck? Or were you just joking?

Cause you said that in our previous game and I could see why you thought so. I'm not seeing it by post 597 here.

[Taly]

VOTE: Corwin
100 D1 Words Total PR Excluding Quotes (Jin)
-Guanine

oh shit, THIS IS BREAKABLE HAHAHAHA.

C&G, I implore you to ask this question about your post restriction: Do pictures/emojis/GIFS count?

what is better is that quotes are excluded, so we can feed

C&G

lines.

Spoiler: Cytosine & Guanine, you guys can do a readslist by just bolding what you agree with, or removing the text that is incorrect, it's STILL a quote!

BlueBloodedToffee is scum is town is null is ?
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus) is scum is town is null is ?
Malakittens is scum is town is null is ?
Taly Toogeloo is scum is town is null is ?
PookyTheMagicalBear is scum is town is null is ?
MalcolmTucker is scum is town is null is ?
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar) is scum is town is null is ?
Galron is scum is town is null is ?
Cephrir is scum is town is null is ?
Frogsterking is scum is town is null is ?
Roden is scum is town is null is ?
Rad is scum is town is null is ?
Corwinoid is scum is town is null is ?
The toad is scum is town is null is ?
Enchant is scum is town is null is ?
Dwlee99 is scum is town is null is ?
Bellaphant is scum is town is null is ?
Klick is scum is town is null is ?
Bell is scum is town is null is ?
Dunnstral is scum is town is null is ?
JohnnyFarrar is scum is town is null is ?
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) is scum is town is null is ?
T-Bone is scum is town is null is ?
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey is scum is town is null is ?
Lukewarm is scum is town is null is ?
PenguinPower is scum is town is null is ?

Ircher thinks
RH9 thinks
Ircher disagrees agrees
RH9 disagrees agrees

[Dancing Puppets]

I’ll help, read that insect game again, several times.

I played that game during a week-long stay in the hospital I had almost blocked it out.

Well the only other game I can think of is Schadd’s game but I don’t know how helpful that would be considering that the game was pretty much ruined for me due to an absurdly deathtunnelling animated cow.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Klick
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir
Malakittens
PenguinPower
Frogsterking
Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad
OffTheHook

So this is my POE if I trust Taly. Which I do. I'm gonna see how many ISOs I can stomach before my eyes cross

Pedit: Taly we tried breaking this already

[MalcolmTucker]

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.

We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)

But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon.

Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum.

He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?

To play devil's advocate for a sec, would good scum not potentially be capable of manipulating past meta to appear helpful and townie? I'm largely NAI on the lists thing. It's obviously very helpful for town but in a game of this size could also serve as a useful way for scum to coordinate who is pushing where/which townies have lots of null reads and could be seen as indecisive/who is on the right track and who is completely wrong.

[Taly]

fuck oh well the toucan tried

i need to shower, and unplug from this

goodnight y'all if this is my last post tonight

<3

[JohnnyFarrar]

My eyebrow is absolutely up at how much pushback these pooky townreads are getting

Pedit- sweet dreams Taly. Thanks for helping me get my feet a lil

[Dancing Puppets]

Klick
MalcolmTucker
Cephrir
Malakittens

PenguinPower

Frogsterking

Cat Scratch Fever

Enchant
BlueBlooded Toffee
The Toad

OffTheHook

So this is my POE if I trust Taly. Which I do. I'm gonna see how many ISOs I can stomach before my eyes cross

Pedit: Taly we tried breaking this already

Don’t know about the rest of that list but feel pretty confident these three are town.

[Dancing Puppets]

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.

We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)

But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon.

Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum.

He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?

To play devil's advocate for a sec, would good scum not potentially be capable of manipulating past meta to appear helpful and townie? I'm largely NAI on the lists thing. It's obviously very helpful for town but in a game of this size could also serve as a useful way for scum to coordinate who is pushing where/which townies have lots of null reads and could be seen as indecisive/who is on the right track and who is completely wrong.

Sure they could but why do that in the main thread then?

[Dancing Puppets]

My eyebrow is absolutely up at how much pushback these pooky townreads are getting

Pedit- sweet dreams Taly. Thanks for helping me get my feet a lil

Bell is probably just paranoid but as for the rest? don’t know.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bell's been traumatized too many times by scum!me :3

[MalcolmTucker]

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.

We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)

But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon.

Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum.

He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?

To play devil's advocate for a sec, would good scum not potentially be capable of manipulating past meta to appear helpful and townie? I'm largely NAI on the lists thing. It's obviously very helpful for town but in a game of this size could also serve as a useful way for scum to coordinate who is pushing where/which townies have lots of null reads and could be seen as indecisive/who is on the right track and who is completely wrong.

Sure they could but why do that in the main thread then?

To appear townie. As outlined above it's clearly being read as pro-town. Just pointing out it'd have an advantage for scum too.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm told Luke's scum game is scary but equally he's had some good takes. I think he's probably a net positive on the game state.

This is the only klick post that hit me any which way. Who did you here this from?

Also klick has good votes

[JohnnyFarrar]

Don’t know about the rest of that list but feel pretty confident these three are town.

CSF also wasn't on mine, I missed that in the original post

[Dancing Puppets]

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.

We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)

But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon.

Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum.

He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?

To play devil's advocate for a sec, would good scum not potentially be capable of manipulating past meta to appear helpful and townie? I'm largely NAI on the lists thing. It's obviously very helpful for town but in a game of this size could also serve as a useful way for scum to coordinate who is pushing where/which townies have lots of null reads and could be seen as indecisive/who is on the right track and who is completely wrong.

Sure they could but why do that in the main thread then?

To appear townie. As outlined above it's clearly being read as pro-town. Just pointing out it'd have an advantage for scum too.

So how does that make him scum? You could pretty much make this kind of argument for pretty much anything. Your entire argument is that Pooky could also do this as scum but again why?

Just to look protown and what?

At best this is an argument for an nai read but he isn’t trying to control the game or push an agenda, so not a good reason not tr him. And you didn’t answer my question, why does scum!Pooky do this in the main thread?

And it was me specifically who pointed out the graph thing. Scum!Pooky could presumably get tr just for requesting readslists, which could by itself be a far more convincing argument for being lamisty than making all of these graphs.

[Lukewarm]

I plan to use my platform as Confirmed Town to start a new wagon tonight. Buy like, 5 hours from now.

Stay tuned

Why the hell did I sign myself up for this?

Anyways, finally home. Guess I am gonna try and solve the damn thing.

[Dancing Puppets]

Klick why did you flip your read on me

I was thinking about how you would approach this as scum. At first I was thinking you wouldnt come for me early because youd see me as pocketable for you

But actually the timing along with the knowledge that bella is likely to sheep your vote per her implying as much makes it seem conveniently timed

Well to be completely honest all three of the players in my scumreads section are very weak reads and I'm a bit lost for direction. I've reconsidered and think that what you've posted so far could really reasonably come from you as scum. I think you're reacting fairly poorly under pressure and I could see it being the route you choose as scum here.

But like I don't feel strongly about it. Nothing feels right as scum atm. In contrast, everyone in the top rung of my townreads is a rather strong townread, as in I'd be surprised if they were scum

I like this post from Klick. It’s tends to be +town to be a lot more confident on your trs d1.

[Lukewarm]

Klick why did you flip your read on me

I was thinking about how you would approach this as scum. At first I was thinking you wouldnt come for me early because youd see me as pocketable for you

But actually the timing along with the knowledge that bella is likely to sheep your vote per her implying as much makes it seem conveniently timed

Well to be completely honest all three of the players in my scumreads section are very weak reads and I'm a bit lost for direction. I've reconsidered and think that what you've posted so far could really reasonably come from you as scum. I think you're reacting fairly poorly under pressure and I could see it being the route you choose as scum here.

But like I don't feel strongly about it. Nothing feels right as scum atm. In contrast, everyone in the top rung of my townreads is a rather strong townread, as in I'd be surprised if they were scum

I like this post from Klick. It’s tends to be +town to be a lot more confident on your trs d1.

I don't have any statistics or anything, but this

feels

simply untrue.

Faking confident town reads is like one of the easiest things to do as scum lol

[Dancing Puppets]

Klick why did you flip your read on me

I was thinking about how you would approach this as scum. At first I was thinking you wouldnt come for me early because youd see me as pocketable for you

But actually the timing along with the knowledge that bella is likely to sheep your vote per her implying as much makes it seem conveniently timed

Well to be completely honest all three of the players in my scumreads section are very weak reads and I'm a bit lost for direction. I've reconsidered and think that what you've posted so far could really reasonably come from you as scum. I think you're reacting fairly poorly under pressure and I could see it being the route you choose as scum here.

But like I don't feel strongly about it. Nothing feels right as scum atm. In contrast, everyone in the top rung of my townreads is a rather strong townread, as in I'd be surprised if they were scum

I like this post from Klick. It’s tends to be +town to be a lot more confident on your trs d1.

I don't have any statistics or anything, but this

feels

simply untrue.

Faking confident town reads is like one of the easiest things to do as scum lol

I suppose but in general scum likes to push fake srs > having confident trs. But it’s not just having strong trs, it’s the he’d be surprised part but yeah, I guess that could also be fakable.