LOST (Game Over)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pooky, you post a lot but don't say a lot.

You feel me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Brevity is the soul of wit

[Corwinoid]

Corwin, talk more about your read on me? In our newbie, you said you came into the game with a lean scum read on me before you replaced in.

Given that, why are you suddenly so paranoid about trying to read me?

I'm down for a Toad wagon as well. Haven't seen much from them in the 20 pages I've read but enough to vote.

Nobody interested in Penguin?

Bleh. You could have link our T/T game where I nuked you immediately because I was paranoid you were manipulating me so they've got context. I'd rather just forget that game happened.

@Raad https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89555

I don't know why everyone thinks I'm paranoid of you here. I think you're hard to read, and you'll do a lot of scummy shit as town so you can get away with scummy shit as scum. As I said in one of my last posts, I'm pretty null on you... I'm pretty null on most people until there are elims and actual information unless there's a good reason not to be, then I'll go look at votes, interactions, associations. Right now you're just another player, who I'd rather not nuke D1 out of kindness and fun potential.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's def. more paranoia than scum read, like how can I not after I got a peek behind the curtain and saw you both-ways everything?

Maybe people think you're paranoid because you actually said your read on me was more paranoia than scum read?

[Corwinoid]

T-bone's posting isn't making any sense for anyone paying attention.

Explain?

T-Bone tracks IMO, even if the conclusion is wrong.

What do you read BBT as and why?

Nullish. I can see him doing everything he's done so far as scum or town, and deciding to do it for scum, town, or metablocking reasons.

I think he's barking up the wrong tree here, but I can't put a finger on why I town read you other than "vibe" either.

I can quote me too.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Right.

But you haven't answered my inital question of you reading me correctly in the Newbie and so why am I suddenly difficult to read?

[The toad]

@Amphibious friend of the toad variety - I'd be most interested in your updated read on Galron, Roden, Johnny, and Taly. Also when you said you liked bbt and bella less earlier, was that a scumlean or just a less confident town read?

They were like slight scumleans to me. I will do this starting with Galron

Kinda like Corwin on a vibes level?

granted ill reeval if mala continues to do nothing but im way happier with her than other low content slots right now so i can certainly understand how frogsterking arrived at the same conclusion

I am... actually surprised how acceptable I find this.

This post seems towny in that it seems to show evaluation? It's not like impossible to come from scum but I think scum Corwin is more likely to keep pushing on Mala here

What about a Scum!Corwin trying to appeal to ceph?

Not impossible, but I'm not sure scum Corwin specifically wants to appeal to Cephrir here since I think he's been fairly scumread and not incredibly active? And like, I think it wouldn't be an instinctive way of pocketing someone, since generally just acknowledging someone's point is far from guaranteed to make them townread you?

[Klick]

I'm told Luke's scum game is scary but equally he's had some good takes. I think he's probably a net positive on the game state.

This is the only klick post that hit me any which way. Who did you here this from?

Also klick has good votes

Bellaphant (AKA my wife) told me about the newbie she recently finished with Lukewarm. I also think I remember seeing he had a scummie nomination?

I agree with you btw that the resistance to Pooky townreads is worth noting btw. Skimmed so I can't remember who was doing this, but if I were scum and Pooky was town I'd be concerned about him getting an early pass.

[Corwinoid]

Right.

But you haven't answered my inital question of you reading me correctly in the Newbie and so why am I suddenly difficult to read?

Luck? You playing like ass early D1 in that game? Me being tired of getting burnt on crap reads that elim players I'd rather play with or lose games? Experience now knowing that you buddying/distancing people isn't as AI for you as I thought it was before I knew you?

I dunno man, I feel a lot less committal and eager in the space I'm in these days.

[The toad]

Did you just pull all lurkers in list.

That's a correlation != causation. It's players who aren't getting townread by myself or my townreads. I'm hoping a few of those players will say more and get ruled out.

Who values a townread from scum?

This is a strawman, I'm valuing townreads from the players I read as town.

Forgive me, but a townread from you is not on my checklist for today.

Did you just pull all lurkers in list.

That's a correlation != causation. It's players who aren't getting townread by myself or my townreads. I'm hoping a few of those players will say more and get ruled out.

Who values a townread from scum?

This is a strawman, I'm valuing townreads from the players I read as town.

Forgive me, but a townread from you is not on my checklist for today.

Okay, what's your point though? You're the one who felt a need to bring it up.

Your poe is trash. You're probably scum. Why would I want a townread from scum?

These posts are why I disliked Galron originally. I don't think I felt able to put it into words at the time, but I guess what I was getting from it was like, overconfidence. Like his read on Frog felt theatrical, making three posts saying Frog is scum but not like, to justify it, just making it super clear that he has that read in various ways.

Heavy borrow from Rad

town:

CSF
OTH
Dunn
T-Bone
Rad

null:

Luke
Pooky
Frogster
Roden
Bella
Penguin
BBT
Corwin
Taly
DP
Johnny
Cephrir
Enchant
CaG
Mala
Malcolm
Klick
Dwlee

scum:

The toad
Bell

That looks alright I guess for top of my head

I generally don't mind someone being honest and having quite a few null-reads but I'm not sure why you'd post a reads list when you have this many other than to seem helpful to town because it's been asked. I don't necessarily disagree with the TR's but they feel very generic? As if Galron has just scouted out who has towncred and plopped for them to keep the heat off.

I copypasta'd rad's list and made few changes. Why no call out on rad?

I don't like this either. I mean, I don't have a problem with that many nulls in a game of this size, but this kind of feels gross, refusing to take any responsibility for criticism of his reads and deflecting it onto Rad.

I kind of like his bbt posts in that they do actually make sense but also I don't think that would be difficult for scum to fake so I still scumread Galron.

Onto Roden I guess

[Cat Scratch Fever]

corwin seems really town to me

[Cat Scratch Fever]

UNVOTE: Johnny

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Bellaphant, ?, ?, ?, ?]

Why? do you think bella is pocketing me with their latest post?

[Klick]

Okay, I had been debating writing up a "I think that pooky would totally be down for doing this whole spread sheet thing as scum, because as scum he is not really reading the thread too closely, but this gives him a nice excuse to be active and posting, and look town, while really just having to keep an eye out for massive reads lists -- Plus, it is clear that pooky just had the idea that a massive table would be cool and I think he could both have that idea and decide to follow through with it as either alignment --- and like all in all, it is

probably[/i still more likely to come from town pooky, but I don't think people should just write him off as town just for it" But decided it wasn't worth it since, it felt like a lot to put out there to just land on "still leaning town, but don't forever bin"

But, I actually find that catch about his reads changing quietly on the spreadsheet as ++town for him.

Also, Rad moves from "town enough for day 1" to Town for finding that.

Nightmare scenario:

Pooky+Rad scum team, and this is the most 5hbig brained plan, and I would happily lose to the scum team that came up with it, so gonna ignore that possibility

Ngl this idea did pop up in my head when I saw Rad's post. XD I don't think that's what's happening though and they're both super town

[The toad]

@Galron - Based on your experience with Roden, is "Can we please scum read each other?" something you think would be risky to say to Roden as scum!Galron? Do you believe this statement from Roden?

This is such a Day Vig-able post lol.

I like this for the same reason I townread Dwlee basically. Rad isn't an easy scumread since he's active and widely townread, although this was a long time ago I believe this was still true at this point? So asking this critical thinking and sorting which is +town.

His read on me is easy I guess but I could say that for like the entire playlist seeing as I'm pretty sure like 1 or 2 people have explained their scumread on me. Cytosine and Guanine seems like an easy SR too I don't think they've been active and have the whole post restriction deal going on. I probably need to review the goings on of the thread around the time Roden was posting but if he ditched the Frog scumread and switched to Ceph when Frog was getting townreads that's scummy? I don't really understand his Frog read and how it just seemed to disappear

Overall? Idk this man is an enigma

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Klick! I hope you help me figure out this game bc I'm p lost >_<

[The toad]

I mean frog encourages the Cephrir push and Bella pushes on him to townread frog so like

Yeah that's scummy I think

[Klick]

I had a small scumread on Corwin develop earlier but wanted to give him time to settle in the game. But people are talking about it now so I guess I'll pitch in and say I concur

But Toad isn't towny either so I'd go there too

[The toad]

Amphibians get no respect this game

[Klick]

UNVOTE: Johnny

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Bellaphant, ?, ?, ?, ?]

Nah not feeling that at all.

[Klick]

corwin seems really town to me

Interested in hearing more about this

I'd talk more but got to go now, bye all <3 <3

[The toad]

My first thought on Johnny is, holy shit this man has 100 posts in 4 days and people were calling him a lurker what the fuck
Only one to engage me on my frogposting so instant townread tbh.

I like his vibes in general. 1160 pings town. The thing about working with Taly feels towny, I guess it could be pocketing but not sure scum necessarily bother working with Taly when they could do it with someone people don't scumread?

Overall yeah I like this guy

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm getting a sinking feeling that scum are not in the lurkers and are just blending in very well >_<

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How about that Penguin though?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

No, I don't think I'll be voting Penguin today. The reason may not convince you though, since it's meta based.