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[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mine?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ugh how did I miss that

[Lukewarm]

Also:

I was townreading Corwin - I think that he genuinely believes in 1742, and 1763 looks like a fairly complex thought even if I disagree with its conclusions.

Neither of these posts make me feel like the slot is more likely town.


1742 - I am not sure what makes this complex? The concrete points made are
:Reads lists bad.
:Maybe pocketing Bell??

The reads list one is super vague, does not actually tell me which, if any, of the reads they had issue with -- and also ignores the fact that that was not just a random, unsoliceted reads list. That was a post made in direct response to this post from Johnny.

ooooh, give me homework bb, my wallpost days are a bit behind me, me want conversation

Who are you familiar with here? I think you could give me some perspective on quite a few people

And the comment about Bell was basically "I feel better about Bell" which is some incredibly weak pocket attempting if that is what she was trying to do. (and ignores that if she wants to pocket bell, she has a whole PT in which to do it)

1763 - just reads to me as, "Mad that they got flack for being away when Mala was't" and I am unsure what makes that something that would bother town more the scum.

[JohnnyFarrar]

im curious, i came in with several slots cautious or scumreading me but you've taken to conversation very well, why?

Is this a question for me?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@Taly

nah im not feeling the johnny scumreads, largely because of how constructively they're discussing reads with me and mindmelding on a few takes so far. since the game is still relatively fresh it seems to be pure to me.

About your Johnny read, I found this and the tail end of 2003

I don't know if pooky town is a hot take. Even with some people here clearly wary of their scumgame, they're still in the top 5 townreads

I saw the PoE stuff, and I was kind of interested to see where he landed with that. But I think you may be overremembering how much discussion you had with them? I didn't find that much beyond asking you to explain some TRs and crossing names off the list.

Looking at their recent posts, I like 2307 though I don't agree with it. Penguin is kind of an easy mislim when town, so I could see scum coming in to push them.

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About Galron, it seems to be mostly a metaread and a TvT interaction with Rad. If you could quote some posts where they've done something that is outside their scumrange, that'd be helpful. My general feeling about their posting is in 1106 - another example is the "Challenge me" post that was just ??? random and other tonal stuff like that, and their thought process feels opaque to me.

[Lukewarm]

Wow, what an odd conclusion to jump to. I can't quite describe my feeling...but it's like when you see a player post something and you feel they have a guilty mind about it.

+1

I don't actually think that that was a bad post from CSF. Here are the three posts, in a row, from a joint Frogster/Bella ISO around that time

Spoiler:

I'm going to go for a walk and get some fresh air so I can focus when I tackle 1967 and 1971.

VOTE: Johnny

[spoi/ler=]

For the record I like a frog vote. Dude seems shady. Lemme look at a plist and I'll give you the ones who should live to d2

Also Corwin talked a bit about his problems elsewhere, they're real and we should give him space.

Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone

Can you go into these reads some more, and talk about why you're voting Frogster?

Post restriction has me curious. Not necessarily a townread but I would like to, y'know,

play

with Irch and RH9

I like T-Bone, and I don't think scum T-Bone picks a fight with the post restricted hydra here

Frogger seems to be... fake? Like sometimes they'll post something and I'll think to myself "there's no way they actually believe this"

Stand BACK while I post my ROCK SOLID D1 case on Frogger everybody. It'll have quotes and everything

[/s/poiler]

Johnny is the above still the best you have?

Because what you wrote about your read on me is terrible.

Wow fat fingers again, that was at Frogster

Do you think what Johnny wrote about his read on me is objectively terrible, or is it just me?

I mean I lean town on him so I think he's fine.

Trust me, I get the impulse when someone does something bad directed at you. It's something I fight all the time, not always successfully. I don't think you can objectively look at it since it's directed at you.

Yes and 1963 is bad even still. What caused Johnny's read to change, and if it did, why is he still voting me? I think scum!Johnny is too lazy to move his vote around, town!johnny moves his vote in 1963 if he hasn't done it already.

2080 is super town, tbone! What's your issue with cat.
?

UNVOTE: Johnny

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Bellaphant, ?, ?, ?, ?]

One way to read that is to ask, "what about 2112 made frogster decide that Bella was scum"

So, I can see where that question came from from CSF.

IMO, Frog's vote moving had nothing to do with the 1 post from Bella and more to do with the 28 posts from Johnny in the same span of time, so CSF's question was misguided, but I can see how you get there.

[MathBlade]

@Taly

nah im not feeling the johnny scumreads, largely because of how constructively they're discussing reads with me and mindmelding on a few takes so far. since the game is still relatively fresh it seems to be pure to me.

About your Johnny read, I found this and the tail end of 2003

I don't know if pooky town is a hot take. Even with some people here clearly wary of their scumgame, they're still in the top 5 townreads

I saw the PoE stuff, and I was kind of interested to see where he landed with that. But I think you may be overremembering how much discussion you had with them? I didn't find that much beyond asking you to explain some TRs and crossing names off the list.

Looking at their recent posts, I like 2307 though I don't agree with it. Penguin is kind of an easy mislim when town, so I could see scum coming in to push them.

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About Galron, it seems to be mostly a metaread and a TvT interaction with Rad. If you could quote some posts where they've done something that is outside their scumrange, that'd be helpful. My general feeling about their posting is in 1106 - another example is the "Challenge me" post that was just ??? random and other tonal stuff like that, and their thought process feels opaque to me.

Posting any sort of content in general is outside their scumrange

Calculasia and a recent scum game with Titus demonstrates this.

I was just thinking panicking scum by the replace out but on looking at their ISO it has content so the replace out is NAI prolly.

[MathBlade]

Also:

I was townreading Corwin - I think that he genuinely believes in 1742, and 1763 looks like a fairly complex thought even if I disagree with its conclusions.

Neither of these posts make me feel like the slot is more likely town.


1742 - I am not sure what makes this complex? The concrete points made are
:Reads lists bad.
:Maybe pocketing Bell??

The reads list one is super vague, does not actually tell me which, if any, of the reads they had issue with -- and also ignores the fact that that was not just a random, unsoliceted reads list. That was a post made in direct response to this post from Johnny.

ooooh, give me homework bb, my wallpost days are a bit behind me, me want conversation

Who are you familiar with here? I think you could give me some perspective on quite a few people

And the comment about Bell was basically "I feel better about Bell" which is some incredibly weak pocket attempting if that is what she was trying to do. (and ignores that if she wants to pocket bell, she has a whole PT in which to do it)

1763 - just reads to me as, "Mad that they got flack for being away when Mala was't" and I am unsure what makes that something that would bother town more the scum.

I find it odd more people are commenting on 1763 than the original contradictor to explain it and a good chunk of the game is ignoring the question of where to look.

This is a good indication that people either need to slow down or scum are intentionally making the game too fast.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Hi. This is a lot of pages. Any suggestions on where to start? I will start skimming VCs but places I could target read late tonight after gaming with my sister would help.

Pooky's ISO will introduce you to the real main character of this game: spreadsheets

[Bell]

Scum are almost certainly not spamming intentionally because the current top 4 are all usually hyperactive and have the most posts in their respective games.

[JohnnyFarrar]

he’s in the bottom half of post count

Keep in mind this game has only been going for like 3 days, we're just chatty bitches

[Lukewarm]

I find it odd more people are commenting on 1763 than the original contradictor to explain it and a good chunk of the game is ignoring the question of where to look.

This is a good indication that people either need to slow down or scum are intentionally making the game too fast.

The question was answered.

Mala claimed her PR in her first post, in a way that I would not expect scum to do. Especially as it is a PR that I think that scum would not claim to begin with. (My answer, which Frog referenced back to when he answered as well)

Plus, her tone felt right when she was here (Cephrir's explanation, which I generally agreed with)

So, before she started lurking out, she started already at a town lean (for me at least).


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Corwin's post tried to boil it down to :
I had lost posts, and got scum read
Mala had low posts, and was not getting pressure.

"CONTRADICTION"

I don't think that it was a contradiction for Frog to treat the two slots differently, because I also treated the two slots differently.

[Bell]

Lower than that I dunno about those players so I can’t
Say but only John and T-bone have made meaningless shit posts. And far be it from
Me to point the finger when I live in a molten glass house.

Though I think I have shared more opinions than both of them combined. So that sucks.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Are you trying to pocket Titus?

Titus is playing this game?

[Cephrir]

why isn't the thread drowning under a metric fuckload of Math posts yet

not that i want that to happen

[MathBlade]

Hi. This is a lot of pages. Any suggestions on where to start? I will start skimming VCs but places I could target read late tonight after gaming with my sister would help.

This question was not.

We really need to slow the game down and respond to things as they appear.

I will be back after done gaming.

[MathBlade]

why isn't the thread drowning under a metric fuckload of Math posts yet

not that i want that to happen

Because I am multitasking IRL and as I said last game I was horrible so I am trying this listening thing

I think it’s a thing worth doing

[Frogsterking]

UNVOTE: Bella

VOTE: Cephrir

Quick explanation of my Bella vote:

I was looking at the activity levels for slots that are under the radar and may have been townread early for bad reasons. I thought maybe it was a mistake to sheep Klick (who I townread) on their Bella read here:

Spoiler:

Bella feels town, maybe Frogster too

Still struggling for strong scumreads

I could have made this posy
I'm really rather happy with the trio of {Frog, Bella, CSF} in general

Since then, Klick reaffirmed their read on Bella and gave me a good reason to want to sheep their Bella read (Bella is Klick's wife) :

Spoiler:

I'm told Luke's scum game is scary but equally he's had some good takes. I think he's probably a net positive on the game state.

This is the only klick post that hit me any which way. Who did you here this from?

Also klick has good votes

Bellaphant (AKA my wife) told me about the newbie she recently finished with Lukewarm. I also think I remember seeing he had a scummie nomination?

I agree with you btw that the resistance to Pooky townreads is worth noting btw. Skimmed so I can't remember who was doing this, but if I were scum and Pooky was town I'd be concerned about him getting an early pass.

UNVOTE: Johnny

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Bellaphant, ?, ?, ?, ?]

Nah not feeling that at all.

[Lukewarm]

I find it odd more people are commenting on 1763 than the original contradictor to explain it

Sorry, I guess I should have limited down the part that I was responding to to just this.

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As for where to look, I would point you to pooky's spread sheet. He has compiled a large list of everybody's reads, so you can look to see who is being scum read by who, and who to look at yourself.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Wagon hop wagon hop

VOTE: Malcolm

Pedit no frog do Mal

[Klick]

2224 is top notch from Roden, moving them up to town

I'd like to hear more about this; I explicitly don't townread this post and feel like Roden has enough content that I'm surprised I don't feel like he's town.

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler: Updated Chart So Far

So Far:

Top Townreads:

Lukewarm - 19 TRs
Rad - 17 TRs
Dunn - 16 TRs - 2 SRs
CSF - 14 TRs
Pooky - 14 TRs


Top Scumreads:

BBT - 12 SRs - 2 TRs
Toad - 11 SRs - 1 TR
Ceph - 8 SRs - 2 TRs


No Consensus:

Bell - 12 TRs - 7 SRs
OTH - 12 TRs - 5 SRs


Mostly Null:

D-Lee 3 TR 2 SR 17 Nulls
Bella 5 TR 1 SR 16 Nulls
C+G 5 TR 2 SR 15 Nulls

@Math

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Also:

I was townreading Corwin - I think that he genuinely believes in 1742, and 1763 looks like a fairly complex thought even if I disagree with its conclusions.

Neither of these posts make me feel like the slot is more likely town.


1742 - I am not sure what makes this complex? The concrete points made are
:Reads lists bad.
:Maybe pocketing Bell??

The reads list one is super vague, does not actually tell me which, if any, of the reads they had issue with -- and also ignores the fact that that was not just a random, unsoliceted reads list. That was a post made in direct response to this post from Johnny.

1763 - just reads to me as, "Mad that they got flack for being away when Mala was't" and I am unsure what makes that something that would bother town more the scum.

Tbh I missed that Taly posted the readslist in response to Johnny asking for it. But when I read the same Taly post, I had a "wow this is a lot of words but not much content", so there was some mindmeld. It also tracks with how annoyed Corwin was when I asked him to post a readslist, so I think the feeling there is real

1763 - it showed some awareness that his scumread (Frogster) was giving certain lurkers (Mala - another scumread of his) preferential treatment, and I think he jumped on something he thought was a suspicious link btween the two. I can see how you see it could be scum mad that they're coming under pressure, but Corwin was pressured shortly after dealing with his family thing so that rings genuine

[MalcolmTucker]

Wagon hop wagon hop

VOTE: Malcolm

Pedit no frog do Mal

This feels like a bit of a random vote given the point of the game we're at, what's your reasoning?

[MalcolmTucker]

Are you trying to pocket Titus?

Titus is playing this game?

Believe they're one half of Dancing Puppets no?