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[Dwlee99]

Frogsterking

Frogster baddie

[Bellaphant]

Just metadived Corwin and BBT and based on that, feel even stronger that Bell’s Corwin take is correct and BBT could possibly be scum here. Whomever said he sounds the same is either alignment - Idk what you’re smoking. Town!BBT is off the charts townie in his towngames.

I feel more confident on Math!town because scum!Corwin is a major tryhard but town!Corwin gets really annoyed when pushed.

Pooky, move Ceph, MT, Mathblade to town and Rad to null, thanks,

Bbt would hard disagree with you here and has been quite loudly proclaiming that just because he just acted to me exactly the same way he acted in our just finished newbie where he was scum, it doesn't mean anything. I'd be curious about your take on our set to.

[Dwlee99]

Save the Dragons also sus all his posts are IIoA smh

[Dancing Puppets]

Save the Dragons also sus all his posts are IIoA smh

STD=lockscum

[Dancing Puppets]

Just metadived Corwin and BBT and based on that, feel even stronger that Bell’s Corwin take is correct and BBT could possibly be scum here. Whomever said he sounds the same is either alignment - Idk what you’re smoking. Town!BBT is off the charts townie in his towngames.

I feel more confident on Math!town because scum!Corwin is a major tryhard but town!Corwin gets really annoyed when pushed.

Pooky, move Ceph, MT, Mathblade to town and Rad to null, thanks,

Bbt would hard disagree with you here and has been quite loudly proclaiming that just because he just acted to me exactly the same way he acted in our just finished newbie where he was scum, it doesn't mean anything. I'd be curious about your take on our set to.

I read some of his games and he was supertownie in his towngames.

I still think your town, why?

[Bellaphant]

I meant about them. I'm on a bit of a hole abt how I feel about it

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Just metadived Corwin and BBT and based on that, feel even stronger that Bell’s Corwin take is correct and BBT could possibly be scum here. Whomever said he sounds the same is either alignment - Idk what you’re smoking. Town!BBT is off the charts townie in his towngames.

I feel more confident on Math!town because scum!Corwin is a major tryhard but town!Corwin gets really annoyed when pushed.

Hahaha. Hold this L. This is quoted for end of game.

I fucking love my sig.

The meta read on Corwin is equally bad, too.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Is that Titus or Nancy?

[Bellaphant]

I think Titus is signing?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Aww, not as happy then.

Still though, always nice for someone to get a meta read so horrifically wrong.

[MalcolmTucker]

Spoiler:

So I just wanted to drop some thoughts here before I move on with my day. I plan on diving into malcolm and dg's iso later as I mentioned, but that'll be slowly throughout the day and into tonight's play time. At a glance, malcolm's SR on me feels opportunistic but I need to read his reasoning closer to fully understand it. DG's moving me to null feels reasonable.

Professor's vote on me with no reason feels very opportunistic. I know, I get it... what a fucking hypocrite Rad is! It's cool. I think someone who's been reading the game for 123 pages shifting some reads without an A, B, C list of reasons is a bit different than someone who jumps in and...

There is so many posts I think I’d rather just read future posts and make my reads from there.

Establishes that they don't care what's happened in the game so far...

And then votes for the guy who's currently in the spotlight.

I dunno, I had a town read on Galron who he replaced, but I can totally see a scum enter like this.

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I understand there's not always a clear direction of thought registered in the thread when your take on a player shifts, but Rad's game for me has largely been logic-driven to a degree and it's interesting they got very defensive when they were unable to point out exactly why they were scumreading Puppets.

This post really rubs me the wrong way.

Am I generally logic driven? Absolutely. Does that mean every single decision I make has to have a logical list of reasons behind it? Of course not. How absurd. I'm also a very emotionally driven player and a newbie trying to figure out how to read in a game that's wildly difficult to follow.

I'd argue that scum!Rad is far less likely to change things up in the middle of a game than town!Rad.

If you're noticing inconsistencies, you're noticing town!Rad trying to improve. If it takes a green flip to prove that, fine, but don't come at me like I'm scum for not maintaining the exact same approach to finding scum endlessly. So I'm going with a gut feeling here instead of an X Y Z case. Yeah, and I also said I'd do my research to confirm/deny my thoughts. Is that not logical enough for your "Rad was being logical but now he's not" belief?

My strong TR on Rad from earlier in the game has softened significantly. Perhaps it's due to my SR on Dancing Puppets softening as the game goes on, but I thought Rad's post there was particularly weak.

weak isn't scummy and it's not like only scum attack town, so even if your read on DP changed to town, why would that make me more likely scum? I mean, on stats alone, there should be more town fights going on in this game than scum v town fights.

In general I don't think Rad's posts over the past couple of days have been as strong as they were initially.

How were my posts strong to begin with? The bar you're trying to set for me feels more like throwing shade intentionally than actually believing that I'm scum.

To be specific to some of your enquiries - early game I liked 336 and 340 as examples. You acknowledge the game is in its early stages and you have thoughts but don't try to force reads as such. I didn't come away from your case on Luke believing the slot to be scummy but also felt like it contained plenty of effort that was likely to come from town just putting in some work to feel out other players. Your responses to Luke when you were voted seemed fair.

In your reply, I'm really not keen on this bit: "If you're noticing inconsistencies, you're noticing town!Rad trying to improve."

Sure, inconsistencies can come from town, but they can also come from scum when they have forced reads. Your scumread on Puppets just felt off to me compared to what had gone before, as if you felt like you were running out of scumreads as you gradually dropped Toad and had to go somewhere else in a way that would show some independent thought. But you struck me as incredibly defensive when Puppets questioned you on the push and asked for specifics, as if you were self-conscious it was a weak, forced read and that you had been caught out.

Your read on me alongside the Puppets read is what makes me worry you're scum - your shift onto town Ceph and scum me at pretty much the same time made me feel like you were perhaps mounting a defence of a scum teammate as I shifted my focus onto Roden, and later Johnny.

I'm willing to shift my read back again later in the game, I had you down as a strong TR early on, but you seem like a capable and competent player and I generally like your approach when you're casing with evidence, you're absolutely the type of player I can TR early on perhaps because I want you on my side as town, but that doesn't mean you can't be scum playing a good game.

[MalcolmTucker]

Above is to Rad, I should add, since that's hidden in the spoiler quotes.

[Dancing Puppets]

Just metadived Corwin and BBT and based on that, feel even stronger that Bell’s Corwin take is correct and BBT could possibly be scum here. Whomever said he sounds the same is either alignment - Idk what you’re smoking. Town!BBT is off the charts townie in his towngames.

I feel more confident on Math!town because scum!Corwin is a major tryhard but town!Corwin gets really annoyed when pushed.

Hahaha. Hold this L. This is quoted for end of game.

I fucking love my sig.

The meta read on Corwin is equally bad, too.

This isn’t any quote from any game. Why is it bad? Town!Corwin sounded pretty irritated in the game I read. I’m more than happy to link the games.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can show you scum!Corwin getting irritated too? So what?

I have quoted it to show you how bad this is post game.

[Bellaphant]

I only have limited experience with corwin but he was irritated and not try hard in the newbie where he was scum z- he got pissed off at vasex, muddled up reads and dissapeared in elo.

[Dancing Puppets]

I can show you scum!Corwin getting irritated too? So what?

I have quoted it to show you how bad this is post game.

Okay, do it then. I have no problem being proven wrong if that is indeed the case.

I still think the slot is town even if I’m wrong on that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I agree, the slot is likely to be town.

You said you did a meta dive. How did you miss one of his most recent games?

[Rad]

Sure, inconsistencies can come from town, but they can also come from scum when they have forced reads.

Ok, but what's scum!Rad's intent here? Spread some shade onto DP with absolutely no reasoning provided? Smart move scumbag Rad!

But you struck me as incredibly defensive when Puppets questioned you on the push and asked for specifics, as if you were self-conscious it was a weak, forced read and that you had been caught out.

It WAS weak. I gave no reasons beyond "yeah they're just kinda seeming more and more like scum and I can't quite explain why." I don't think it gets any weaker than that.

One thing I'll note is that if you're town Malcolm, our mutual town reads over each other were probably based on us both taking a pretty logical approach to the game in general. When I'm making logical cases, I sound just like you, and that's probably what pushed me to read you as town. I will say that my logical approach extends easily into my scum range though so logical me does not necessarily mean town me, and because of that I have to believe that you would be capable of the same thing.

So I'll be reading your ISO with that in mind.

[Dancing Puppets]

I only have limited experience with corwin but he was irritated and not try hard in the newbie where he was scum z- he got pissed off at vasex, muddled up reads and dissapeared in elo.

Okay so he apparently gets pissed as both alignments, so probably should just focus on Math.

[Bell]

Good morning.

[Dancing Puppets]

I agree, the slot is likely to be town.

You said you did a meta dive. How did you miss one of his most recent games?

It was actually two games only. Both of you were the same alignment in each: one scum and one town.

[Rad]

I upset scum!Corwin terribly as town!Rad, so much that he called me out after the game. His emotions are just legit emotions from a person with legit time problems and I believe he would absolutely get upset at people calling him out on inactivity regardless of his alignment.

[RCEnigma]

Yooo RCE.

I had a scum read on your slot for a long time but then The toad, well, he started to win me over. He will be missed, but now you're here, so that's fun!

Well that’s a good trajectory because I’m basically confirmed!

[Bellaphant]

Cool, rads still town.

[Bell]

*pokes RCE*
Go on.