LOST (Game Over)

[Lukewarm]

hi?

[RCEnigma]

Too late I’ve already given roden the thumbs down of death.

[MathBlade]

I don't want the Roden wagon because it's another counter to Klick but that's weak day 1 and Klick is unflipped. The other mason has to claim though probably given flipless.

~Titus

VOTE: Dancing Puppets

I have to head to work but will explain later.

This is pretty sus. Like this goes against Titus ing and is wtf.

[Enchant]

Too late I’ve already given roden the thumbs down of death.

I am not following your fingers

[Dunnstral]

Frogsterking, Cat Scratch Fever, Cytosine and Guanine, MalcolmTucker, Bellaphant, Dunnstral, Klick, Enchant

These are players who were voting for Roden, which forced him to claim. It is safe to assume that masons wouldn't be bussing, right? So these players are not masons with Roden.

Lukewarm, ProfessorDrapion

These players reactions following the claim make it obvious that they are not masons with Roden.

Off The Hook

In post 704 OTH writes that Roden is in their "list of interests". Post 1577 further cements that OTH is not masons with Roden.

Cephrir, JohnnyFarrar, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad

These players are not masons with Roden because of the way that Roden treated them.

In post 1572 Roden lists Cephrir and the toad (RCEnigma) as mafia in their reads list.

In post 2195 Roden says that BBT looks like they are "trying to create a narrative". That is not how masons talk to each other in the main thread. Also, BBT is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 2203 Roden shows that they are isoing JohnnyFarrar, and while they have a vaguely positive impression, it seems unlikely that Roden is using some of his limited thread time on reading his own mason partners iso and ending with "it's fine". Also, Johnny is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 861 Roden says that Rad's post is "Day Vig-able"

Dancing Puppets, Taly, Mathblade

These players are all in neighborhoods. As we've learned with toogeloo, neighbors know each others flavor. The alleged other mason has the flavor "Bernard". Additionally, I think it unlikely that any neighbor would also be a mason with a completely different person.

Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird

Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.

Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173

PookyTheMagicalBear

The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.

[Enchant]

Distancing exist.

[Dunnstral]

Between masons? On day 1? in a 26 person game? Where roles don't flip on death?

[Enchant]

Yes?

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: dunn

[Bellaphant]

I feel like enchant is almost claiming but not. I guess distancing could exist but it feels pretty silly.

[Enchant]

Like guys, it's maybe obvious "Lie", but think from other way.


Why yoloclaim Mason... In flipless game. It's literally asking for problems.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

assuming optimal play is a bit of a stretch but it doesn't mean dunn is scum

i kind of doubt scum will openly doubt a true mason claim in a 26p

[Bellaphant]

Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird...pooky

I could see this as being a pool where his claim could actually be true.

[MathBlade]

That seems incredibly thought out but likely wrong

Assume Roden is lying (your premise)

Roden’s alignment still flips I think
So then if Roden flips mafia then whatever

Roden flips town and confirms anyone else claiming mason the next day. Someone who isnt mason claims mason then gets CCd by any/real masons depending on size of masonry.

Using read lists to find a mason is a horrible way to find a partner.

In short I think scum doesn’t do this fake claim but if I think Titus is sus for trying to force a claim.

I also think that just because you can’t find the partner doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

I really have to go but this feels ugly.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like guys, it's maybe obvious "Lie", but think from other way.


Why yoloclaim Mason... In flipless game. It's literally asking for problems.

scum can claim mason to avoid being elimmed but generally speaking we trust mason claims because i think thats just what people do on this site

[Dancing Puppets]

Frogsterking, Cat Scratch Fever, Cytosine and Guanine, MalcolmTucker, Bellaphant, Dunnstral, Klick, Enchant

These are players who were voting for Roden, which forced him to claim. It is safe to assume that masons wouldn't be bussing, right? So these players are not masons with Roden.

Lukewarm, ProfessorDrapion

These players reactions following the claim make it obvious that they are not masons with Roden.

Off The Hook

In post 704 OTH writes that Roden is in their "list of interests". Post 1577 further cements that OTH is not masons with Roden.

Cephrir, JohnnyFarrar, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad

These players are not masons with Roden because of the way that Roden treated them.

In post 1572 Roden lists Cephrir and the toad (RCEnigma) as mafia in their reads list.

In post 2195 Roden says that BBT looks like they are "trying to create a narrative". That is not how masons talk to each other in the main thread. Also, BBT is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 2203 Roden shows that they are isoing JohnnyFarrar, and while they have a vaguely positive impression, it seems unlikely that Roden is using some of his limited thread time on reading his own mason partners iso and ending with "it's fine". Also, Johnny is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 861 Roden says that Rad's post is "Day Vig-able"

Dancing Puppets, Taly, Mathblade

These players are all in neighborhoods. As we've learned with toogeloo, neighbors know each others flavor. The alleged other mason has the flavor "Bernard". Additionally, I think it unlikely that any neighbor would also be a mason with a completely different person.

Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird

Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.

Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173

PookyTheMagicalBear

The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.

Haven't Shepardized this but looks legit.

@Math - *facepalm*



~Titus

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: dunn

I have no idea why you voted for me.

[MathBlade]

Why is it a facepalm?

You defend me because you know I am trying and realize I got a short end of the Schlick

Nancy then realizes I might be miselim able and gradually flips

A mason partner will eventually be clear why the fuck are you fishing?

[Dunnstral]

Assume Roden is lying (your premise)

Roden’s alignment still flips I think
So then if Roden flips mafia then whatever

Roden flips town and confirms anyone else claiming mason the next day. Someone who isnt mason claims mason then gets CCd by any/real masons depending on size of masonry.

What is the advantage to having a second mason claim after Roden dies, and not before?

[Enchant]

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

[MathBlade]

Like if y’all elim Roden it’s not the end of the world as we likely get a conf town tomorrow but I’d rather not elim what is probably a true claim.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I just kind of think we leave this stuff up to nightkills for at least a few days? I dunno whats the point in yeeting this early.

as for the partner I'm assuming since its flipless that Roden + Partner have done some kind of elaborate crumbing towards each other that is very hard to detect from the outside but can be easily unlocked if needed for a claim if push comes to shove.

if they haven't I think they should.

[MathBlade]

Assume Roden is lying (your premise)

Roden’s alignment still flips I think
So then if Roden flips mafia then whatever

Roden flips town and confirms anyone else claiming mason the next day. Someone who isnt mason claims mason then gets CCd by any/real masons depending on size of masonry.

What is the advantage to having a second mason claim after Roden dies, and not before?

Second mason is confirmed town.

[MathBlade]

Or third or however many

[Malakittens]

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VOTE: taly

For now.

That’s where I want my vote placed.

I don’t really want a math elim rn