LOST (Game Over)

[Malakittens]

Mine bitch

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What is the advantage to having a second mason claim after Roden dies, and not before?

so the scum can't shoot both of the masons on n1 n2?

i mean if we dont care and we just want to throw those deaths away I guess fine?

[MathBlade]

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

[Dunnstral]

Assume Roden is lying (your premise)

Roden’s alignment still flips I think
So then if Roden flips mafia then whatever

Roden flips town and confirms anyone else claiming mason the next day. Someone who isnt mason claims mason then gets CCd by any/real masons depending on size of masonry.

What is the advantage to having a second mason claim after Roden dies, and not before?

Second mason is confirmed town.

That isn't an explanation for why not claiming now is a good idea.

[Dancing Puppets]

Why is it a facepalm?

You defend me because you know I am trying and realize I got a short end of the Schlick

Nancy then realizes I might be miselim able and gradually flips

A mason partner will eventually be clear why the fuck are you fishing?

How will Roden be clear in a flipless game? Second, if Roden is mystically town, an unclaimed mason can be cced given Dunn's rationale on how no one makes sense as a mason partner.

Nancy's giving me an earful on you, but I'm still not interested.

~Titus

[Enchant]

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

What point if mafia waltz in mason claim on almost confirmed status.

[Rad]

Can someone help me understand something please?

Being in a neighborhood is NAI, right?
Being a mason is TOWN right?

So a scum could claim mason to pretend they're town, and a real mason could claim mason to show they're town.

Why then if Roden is claiming mason would we not want his partner to also claim mason? Why would outing the partner be bad there? Like in my previous game, Bell and his mason partner claimed (I forget who first, I think his partner?) and they were just confirmed town from then on. Even if we decided to test the scum mason claim theory and flip Roden there, why wouldn't we want their partner to have claimed before then as well?

[Dunnstral]

What is the advantage to having a second mason claim after Roden dies, and not before?

so the scum can't shoot both of the masons on n1 n2?

i mean if we dont care and we just want to throw those deaths away I guess fine?

If a mason does not claim immediately following Roden's death, we cannot fully trust the claim; they won't be confirmed town anymore.

[MathBlade]

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

What point if mafia waltz in mason claim on almost confirmed status.

They’d have to explain how they are masons with Roden. It’d be an insanely high ridiculous bar and they’d have to show crumbs/evidence before this post

So they’d have to be planning it before Roden’s masons claim

It wouldn’t work

[MathBlade]

Why is it a facepalm?

You defend me because you know I am trying and realize I got a short end of the Schlick

Nancy then realizes I might be miselim able and gradually flips

A mason partner will eventually be clear why the fuck are you fishing?

How will Roden be clear in a flipless game? Second, if Roden is mystically town, an unclaimed mason can be cced given Dunn's rationale on how no one makes sense as a mason partner.

Nancy's giving me an earful on you, but I'm still not interested.

~Titus

Iirc alignments flip roles dont

[Dancing Puppets]

Like if y’all elim Roden it’s not the end of the world as we likely get a conf town tomorrow but I’d rather not elim what is probably a true claim.

Not true.

1) Roden could be town faking mason. Scum claim it when determining it's fake.
2) Roden gets cced.
3) Roden is scum.
4) The real partner gets FoSed for 1 - 3.

How can you legit claim it's not a bad thing to flip a mason unclaimed in a flipless game? Wtf

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

What point if mafia waltz in mason claim on almost confirmed status.

They’d have to explain how they are masons with Roden. It’d be an insanely high ridiculous bar and they’d have to show crumbs/evidence before this post

So they’d have to be planning it before Roden’s masons claim

It wouldn’t work

Dunn already showed no one could be masons. In fact....

VOTE: Roden

[MathBlade]

1. Roles are not revealed upon kills, but alignment is. There may or may not be ways to uncover roles. Flavor is not revealed upon flip.

From OP. Assuming that’s not bastard that’s correct

1) see prior post about where they’d have to crumb masons with Roden before the claim and hope there is one other masons not two+ or zero. Town Roden fake claiming mason just isn’t Roden. If it’s a lie he’s scum.
2) So? I’d buy multiple masonries in a 20+ player games
3) Why?
4) Because it’s stupid and fishing

[Dancing Puppets]

If anyone claims Roden's mason partner, willing to unvote.

~Titus

[MathBlade]

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

What point if mafia waltz in mason claim on almost confirmed status.

They’d have to explain how they are masons with Roden. It’d be an insanely high ridiculous bar and they’d have to show crumbs/evidence before this post

So they’d have to be planning it before Roden’s masons claim

It wouldn’t work

Dunn already showed no one could be masons. In fact....

VOTE: Roden

He showed why HE believes Roden is lying

I don’t think Roden is.

Correcting Dunn on his flawed logic only helps scum.

[Dunnstral]

Let me start from the beginning, with a basic premise:

How is a mason claiming immediately after Roden dies superior to a mason claiming right now?

The mafia kills happen at the same time in both scenarios, it is actually not advantageous at all for the second mason to hold off on their claim.

If the argument is to wait even longer before claiming, then the mason result becomes unreliable. It's already looking like town would have a hard time explaining how they are masons with Roden.

[Lukewarm]

TOWN

PookyTheMagicalBear

Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Corwinoid
Bell
Dunnstral
Lukewarm

NULL

BlueBloodedToffee
Malakittens
Taly/Toogeloo
MalcolmTucker
Enchant
Bellaphant
Klick
JohnnyFarrar
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever/humaneatingmonkey
PenguinPower

SCUM

Cephrir
The toad
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)

TBD

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Frogsterking
Rad
Dwlee99

To Be Determined can be considered Null for the chart if necessary. I just have them separated because I want to see their play over time rather than needing to see more AI content in general.

Right now I'm around here:

Cult Recruitment 1.1:

PenguinPower
Dunnstral
Malcolm
Bell
Klick
Cat Scratch Fever
Toogeloo
T-Bone
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)


On the Waitlist:
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)

Roden

Rad
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Lukewarm


Willing to Feed to Polar Bears:

Cephrir
JohnnyFarrar
Corwinoid
BlueBloodedToffee
Galron
Frogsterking

This was not an intentional post.

It came with no context or reason.

It was clear that Dunn was trying to grab these reads lists to take else where.

He made it clear that he is not a Neighbor this game

We had to also reply to the game mod to confirm our roles...so Toog forgot that they would have replied neighbor or something like that to STD?

Actually that you reminded me we had to do that makes this worse in retrospect.

What do the neighbor players think of this?

That left 2 places that it was intended.

He was drafting a post, or he was grabbing it to take to his scum chat.

I wanted to see his big post before I decided which it was.

The method by which he was editing those reads lists is completely inconsistent with the post that he actually built.

Quoting reads lists, and enlarging text in 4060. Exclusively using [ Post] tags in 4079.

----

After I saw the mason claim, I also did a check of who I thought that Roden's most likely mason partner was. My answer was Pooky.

I think that Dunn was grabbing those posts for a scum chat to suggest that his guess was that Pooky was Roden's mason partner, but accidentally posted it here.

Obviosuly, there is not a town motivation to highlight who you think Roden's mason partner is, so I think that this:

Roden is lying. I will give reasoning shortly.

Was the best thing that he could come up with as to why he would have posted the reads list. He had already done the work narrowing down most of the player list (I was able to confidently discredit 20 of the 25 possibilities when I looked myself), so he just had to cross off the others.

I think that is why he then said that he was discarding anyone who put one another in Null, and is pretending like masons would not totally consider putting someone in null

Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird

Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.

Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173

PookyTheMagicalBear

The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.

This whole section of his post feels like they needed to be crossed off in order for him to explain his accidental post.

This is also, basically the list of people that I had as potential Roden mason partners, with Pooky being my best guess.

Even if we were to believe that Dunn was crossing off each player, there was no reason behind making 4060. It was clearly an accident and he is pretending it wasnt.

[Enchant]

I am Roden Mason.

[Enchant]

I joked.

[Dunnstral]

This was not an intentional post.

It was though. That's why I bolded what I felt were the relevant parts.

[MathBlade]

Let me start from the beginning, with a basic premise:

How is a mason claiming immediately after Roden dies superior to a mason claiming right now?

The mafia kills happen at the same time in both scenarios, it is actually not advantageous at all for the second mason to hold off on their claim.

If the argument is to wait even longer before claiming, then the mason result becomes unreliable. It's already looking like town would have a hard time explaining how they are masons with Roden.

Assuming Roden is town and mason for this argument

Roden’s mason partner becomes prime NK bait instead of invests or protectives.
Assuming Roden flips town today then partner claims boom conf town assuming they explain crumbs as masons do on this site.

[Lukewarm]

This was not an intentional post.

It was though. That's why I bolded what I felt were the relevant parts.

And why it came with no context, and took you 3 mins to even have the follow up of

Roden is lying. I will give reasoning shortly.

If it was intentional for here, I feel like it would have came with 4062 intrinsically as part of it. not 3 mins later.

[MathBlade]

So if y’all really don’t believe Roden the play is to elim them

Assuming they flip town..

Then first post of the second day (assuming mason isn’t dead) they out crumbs

If no one puts crumbs we learn mason was shot.

It’s like we gain flipped roles and invests work.

[Dunnstral]

Lukewarm you are overthinking things really hard right now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i alrdy claimed mr eko how can i be bernard too >.>