LOST (Game Over)

[Lukewarm]

Flipless does change the mason dynamic

[MathBlade]

4. If their partner gets shot first they can claim that their partner got shot. So we know who the partner is.

Because that could let a fake!claiming Roden go through?

Literally any town player dies.
No flip.
Roden says that was their partner.

We have no way to verify?

We do by their crumbs.

It’s not enough to say so.

Eg I crumbed C&G with inner voice because I was speaking for them.

I would expect similar crumbs from before the claim.

[Bell]

It could.
Sure we have no way to verify.
Riddle me this though.
Why put yourself in a position where you put control of the conversation with like 6-7 days left on the clock in town’s hands? Why claim Mason instead of anything more effective or not immediately going to blow up in your face?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.27

6 Mathblade (Rad, Dunnstral, Klick, Cephrir, Dancing Puppets, ProfessorDrapion)

3 Klick (Lukewarm, T-Bone, Bell)

2 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens, Best Bird)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, MalcolmTucker)
2 Roden (Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking)

1 Frogsterking (Mathblade)
1 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar)
1 Cephrir (Roden)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)
1 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine, Bellaphant, PookyTheMagicalBear)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Wedding week and I start my new job today so expect less from me

Wait we actually have 6 days not 12 hours?

If so, I’m not rushing this.

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

What point if mafia waltz in mason claim on almost confirmed status.

They’d have to explain how they are masons with Roden. It’d be an insanely high ridiculous bar and they’d have to show crumbs/evidence before this post

So they’d have to be planning it before Roden’s masons claim

It wouldn’t work

Dunn already showed no one could be masons. In fact....

VOTE: Roden

I said I didn’t want to rush this. :/

UNVOTE:

[Lukewarm]

It could.
Sure we have no way to verify.
Riddle me this though.
Why put yourself in a position where you put control of the conversation with like 6-7 days left on the clock in town’s hands? Why claim Mason instead of anything more effective or not immediately going to blow up in your face?

I am not arguing that Roden is fake claiming. I in general think that he is more likely true claiming.

Just answering the question.

[Dancing Puppets]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.27

6 Mathblade (Rad, Dunnstral, Klick, Cephrir, Dancing Puppets, ProfessorDrapion)

3 Klick (Lukewarm, T-Bone, Bell)

2 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens, Best Bird)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, MalcolmTucker)
2 Roden (Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking)

1 Frogsterking (Mathblade)
1 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar)
1 Cephrir (Roden)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)
1 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine, Bellaphant, PookyTheMagicalBear)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Wedding week and I start my new job today so expect less from me

Wait we actually have 6 days not 12 hours?

If so, I’m not rushing this.

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

What point if mafia waltz in mason claim on almost confirmed status.

They’d have to explain how they are masons with Roden. It’d be an insanely high ridiculous bar and they’d have to show crumbs/evidence before this post

So they’d have to be planning it before Roden’s masons claim

It wouldn’t work

Dunn already showed no one could be masons. In fact....

VOTE: Roden

I said I didn’t want to rush this. :/

UNVOTE:

[Bell]

Why are we pushing for them to claim when we’re thinking of the worst case scenario tho.
If it’s most likely true, why challenge it and not just let it go by or ask Rosen if a crumb has been placed by their buddy beforehand or any of a dozen less riskier approaches?

*stares off into the distance about Titus being Titus*
You’re lucky you’re Titus, Titus.

[Dancing Puppets]

Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.

And like, he inherited a town slot...

What do we get out of dna with math alive day 2 that we don’t with math elimmed?

I think DNA is probably town regardless of what Math is. That’s probably the most suss thing about Roden’s readslist that he has them as scum and not a null.

But Roden hasn’t posted anywhere, so if we have time for him respond to my questions, I’d prefer to wait for that.

If this is a hammer and Roden is town, I’m going to be seriously pissed.

[Dancing Puppets]

Nancy you are a gem, don’t ever let anyone take your shine.

<3 <3 <3

We need to hydra sometime.

[Dancing Puppets]

I was inches from a Klick wagon but they swooped in with sauce.

Bella correctly read him in PYP and since both of our heads tr Bella, I’m going to trust her read.

[Lukewarm]

I think that Bernard staying hidden can cause issues. in multiple scenarios.

Roden is a mason, and dies night 1.

Bernard does not out

Bernard dies night 5, but does not flip

We get to Day 10, and a scum fake claims bernard.

We now have to sort that, and we got no benefit from holding it back

Roden is a Mason, scum don't shoot him night 1 and instead try to shoot their best guess for his partner (the pool is pretty small at this point)

Bernard dies Night 1

Roden claims it, we never believe him, we miselim mason Roden tomorrow

Roden is not a mason. We don't kill him today

If either of Roden or Bernard die before both players confirm that the other person is their mason partner, I feel like we gained no benefit from masons even existing in this game.

[Malakittens]

I’m so confused

Why did roden get limmed over taly

#askingforafriend

[Malakittens]

I also got hw 2 do so I might be around trying ti avoid doing it lmafo

[Bell]

You realize that Roden is dead if they don’t claim or their buddy doesn’t claim and it wasn’t unlikely they would be put in this position so why put themselves in this position if they weren’t masons.

[Lukewarm]

I don't think that Roden ever even got close to being hammered, but I was not properly counting

[Bell]

I’m so confused

Why did roden get limmed over taly

#askingforafriend

They didn’t.

[Dancing Puppets]

As I read through tonight, and saw it happening, it felt like there were two people actively trying to keep the Math wagon alive after I abandoned ship. Pooky and Klick.

When I look back at how the two of them treated the slot, Pooky has had Corwin as a scum read for a while. He was scum on his reads list post, and scum in both spread sheets.

Comparatively, Klick did not mention a scum reading Corwin a single time until after I started my attempt to lead the thread. "Corwin" appears in Klick's iso in exactly 5 posts. Here is the progression, interspaced with when I first started trying to get people to move to corwin, and when I unvoted.

Spoiler:

NULL
{Snip}
Corwinoid

After doing some reading, I am narrowed down where I want to move my vote to either Corwinoid and The Toad, but struggling to decided between the two.

Maybe they should just be dueling wagons?

I had a small scumread on Corwin develop earlier but wanted to give him time to settle in the game. But people are talking about it now so I guess I'll pitch in and say I concur

But Toad isn't towny either so I'd go there too

Mmm not feeling the Toad vote really.

VOTE: Corwin let's try this

I am starting to think that I failed as town leader

UNVOTE:

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence.

This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today

VOTE: MathBlade

I don't really think Corwin's body of work looks like scumhunting, it looks more like projecting reads into the thread to look like he's scumhunting

No comment on Corwin.

I say we should wagon there.

An unoffensive join. "small scum read"

I say we should not kill Math

Now, the language is that the slot is "just scum and should die"

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Klick's engagement with this wagon reeks imo

So I can see how you've come to the conclusions you've come to
I think this argument falls when you consider that I have no illusions about my influence on the game state. The content I've provided hasn't been sufficient to be actually 'trying to keep the Math wagon alive' and the sway I have isn't going to be convincing a decent number of people to vote with me without reasons.

The things that actually convince me of someone's alignment one way or the other tend to be based on singular or very few reasons that I feel are very solid myself. But I have zero confidence in my ability to competitively form an argument based on the reasons I read people, because my read reasoning tends to not be persuasive. So I've recently opted for just giving my thoughts without intent to persuade, or otherwise pushing in directions that I feel will help the game early on.

I personally think it's very notable that Bella's having trouble reading MathBlade, because Bella has clocked onto Math!town very quickly and accurately in the past, and that sort of nullish read on someone often turns up scum in my experience. And I've already given my thoughts on why Corwin's slot was scummy. I can't give much more than that without delving into things that really don't influence my own thoughts either way.

I didn’t want to rush this vote but this looks more like scum!Math to me but I thought since we didn’t need to rush anything, I didn’t want to vote him over Titus’ objections. I didn’t realize she would still vote, after I said I wanted to wait. :/

[Lukewarm]

You realize that Roden is dead if they don’t claim or their buddy doesn’t claim and it wasn’t unlikely they would be put in this position so why put themselves in this position if they weren’t masons.

I think that they are telling the truth so this post is completely irrelevant to me, my point, or anything that I said

Thank you.

[Frogsterking]

Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird

Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.

Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173

PookyTheMagicalBear

The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.

I'm not caught up beyond here but it sounds like one of these five is going to be the Mason claim (if one exists.)

[Bell]

Forget it, Jake. it’s Moonland.

[Enchant]

I yawned.

What i missed?

[Lukewarm]

I outlined two scenarios that worry me if Roden is town. Is mason. And does not out his partner.

I said that these issues are specifically because the game is flipless.

You said he is likely a mason.

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Because that was already a part of the premise of my own point, it is not a valid counter point.

[Bell]

Luke, I find your lack of faith - disturbing.

[Dancing Puppets]

Roden is lying. I will give reasoning shortly.

Oh? wait? Sorry Titus, then.

[Lukewarm]

Luke, I find your lack of faith - disturbing.

Faith in what?