LOST (Game Over)

Large Theme Games (based on source material and/or changes to mechanics/rules)
(14+ players)
. Signup Threads In Queue Forum
Forum rules
User avatar
MathBlade
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
User avatar
User avatar
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
Technical Support
Posts: 40490
Joined: September 9, 2013
Pronoun: He/Him
Location: Western US

Post Post #4350 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:38 am

Post by MathBlade »

In post 4347, Bell wrote:
In post 4297, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 4095, MathBlade wrote:Like if y’all elim Roden it’s not the end of the world as we likely get a conf town tomorrow but I’d rather not elim what is probably a true claim.
I don’t think I want to vote Math anymore.
…this isn’t a good take. MB openly stated they would prefer optimal outcomes. Instead of considering how to make this an optimal outcome they made this post which is anti-town.
The absolute worst outcome for town is killing Rosen before their partner claims.
I had already stated how to make it an optimal outcome.

At some point screaming the same thing is silly and it looks like y’all came around to it when I shut up.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
GTKAS -- MathBlade
User avatar
MathBlade
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
User avatar
User avatar
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
Technical Support
Posts: 40490
Joined: September 9, 2013
Pronoun: He/Him
Location: Western US

Post Post #4351 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:38 am

Post by MathBlade »

In post 4201, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4199, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 4197, Bell wrote:4. If their partner gets shot first they can claim that their partner got shot. So we know who the partner is.
Because that could let a fake!claiming Roden go through?

Literally any town player dies.
No flip.
Roden says that was their partner.

We have no way to verify?
We do by their crumbs.

It’s not enough to say so.

Eg I crumbed C&G with inner voice because I was speaking for them.

I would expect similar crumbs from before the claim.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
GTKAS -- MathBlade
User avatar
Frogsterking
Frogsterking
He/him
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Frogsterking
He/him
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 6197
Joined: June 20, 2011
Pronoun: He/him
Location: Pond

Post Post #4352 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:39 am

Post by Frogsterking »

I don't know if Pooky has been updating my reads, but Ceph is now my only scumread.

Roden and Nancy have both brought up independent reasons to scumread Ceph.

I think Mathblade v Bell looks TvT.
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
User avatar
Cephrir
Cephrir
he/him
Goodfellas / Best Social Game
User avatar
User avatar
Cephrir
he/him
Goodfellas / Best Social Game
Goodfellas / Best Social Game
Posts: 22778
Joined: October 11, 2006
Pronoun: he/him
Location: Seattle-ish

Post Post #4353 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:39 am

Post by Cephrir »

ok frogsterking
"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,
Bartleby the Scrivener
User avatar
Bell
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
User avatar
User avatar
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
Sharp Note
Posts: 14474
Joined: July 14, 2020
Pronoun: He/him

Post Post #4354 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:39 am

Post by Bell »

…fair enough I didn’t read all of it, but it’s not even close to not being the end of the world.
It’s exactly what the scum team would want if Roden is town.
User avatar
Frogsterking
Frogsterking
He/him
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Frogsterking
He/him
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 6197
Joined: June 20, 2011
Pronoun: He/him
Location: Pond

Post Post #4355 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:40 am

Post by Frogsterking »

Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
User avatar
MathBlade
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
User avatar
User avatar
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
Technical Support
Posts: 40490
Joined: September 9, 2013
Pronoun: He/Him
Location: Western US

Post Post #4356 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:40 am

Post by MathBlade »

In post 4352, Frogsterking wrote:I don't know if Pooky has been updating my reads, but Ceph is now my only scumread.

Roden and Nancy have both brought up independent reasons to scumread Ceph.

I think Mathblade v Bell looks TvT.
Bell is a null read for C&G and a scumlean for me. Puppets is much better elim.

I am correcting a mistake/lie. This isn’t a push.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
GTKAS -- MathBlade
User avatar
MathBlade
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
User avatar
User avatar
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
Technical Support
Posts: 40490
Joined: September 9, 2013
Pronoun: He/Him
Location: Western US

Post Post #4357 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:41 am

Post by MathBlade »

In post 4355, Frogsterking wrote:Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?
I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
GTKAS -- MathBlade
User avatar
Frogsterking
Frogsterking
He/him
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Frogsterking
He/him
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 6197
Joined: June 20, 2011
Pronoun: He/him
Location: Pond

Post Post #4358 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:41 am

Post by Frogsterking »

In post 4356, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4352, Frogsterking wrote:I don't know if Pooky has been updating my reads, but Ceph is now my only scumread.

Roden and Nancy have both brought up independent reasons to scumread Ceph.

I think Mathblade v Bell looks TvT.
Bell is a null read for C&G and a scumlean for me. Puppets is much better elim.

I am correcting a mistake/lie. This isn’t a push.
Puppets v Mathblade looks TvT
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1419
Joined: September 30, 2019
Pronoun: They/Them
Location: Parachute Funhouse

Post Post #4359 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:42 am

Post by Dancing Puppets »

In post 4356, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4352, Frogsterking wrote:I don't know if Pooky has been updating my reads, but Ceph is now my only scumread.

Roden and Nancy have both brought up independent reasons to scumread Ceph.

I think Mathblade v Bell looks TvT.
Bell is a null read for C&G and a scumlean for me. Puppets is much better elim.

I am correcting a mistake/lie. This isn’t a push.
Why are you not reading? You never learn anything from past games, do you? :facepalm:
Dance, dance
And these are the lives you love to lead
~ Fall Out Boy

Hydra of Titus and Nancy Drew 39
User avatar
MathBlade
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
User avatar
User avatar
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
Technical Support
Posts: 40490
Joined: September 9, 2013
Pronoun: He/Him
Location: Western US

Post Post #4360 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:42 am

Post by MathBlade »

To be fair the last puppets read for C&G was town but I am asking them about it. I haven’t had a chance to go through their numbers though so this is distinctly from the hood chat
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
GTKAS -- MathBlade
User avatar
Bell
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
User avatar
User avatar
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
Sharp Note
Posts: 14474
Joined: July 14, 2020
Pronoun: He/him

Post Post #4361 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:43 am

Post by Bell »

You corrected me in that you said what would be the appropriate play and then said it wouldn’t be the end of the world if Roden flipped town and their Mason partner was confirmed the next day. Which is still a bad take.
User avatar
MathBlade
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
User avatar
User avatar
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
Technical Support
Posts: 40490
Joined: September 9, 2013
Pronoun: He/Him
Location: Western US

Post Post #4362 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:45 am

Post by MathBlade »

In post 4361, Bell wrote:You corrected me in that you said what would be the appropriate play and then said it wouldn’t be the end of the world if Roden flipped town and their Mason partner was confirmed the next day. Which is still a bad take.
It’s not though?

I want two masons alive. That’s the best. People came around to that.
But one confirmed town is still good. It’s not best but acceptable.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
GTKAS -- MathBlade
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1419
Joined: September 30, 2019
Pronoun: They/Them
Location: Parachute Funhouse

Post Post #4363 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:46 am

Post by Dancing Puppets »

In post 4357, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4355, Frogsterking wrote:Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?
I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.
Ceph is probably scum because Math trs scum in nearly every game. :lol:


This isn’t a serious read btw but generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.
Dance, dance
And these are the lives you love to lead
~ Fall Out Boy

Hydra of Titus and Nancy Drew 39
User avatar
Bell
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
User avatar
User avatar
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
Sharp Note
Posts: 14474
Joined: July 14, 2020
Pronoun: He/him

Post Post #4364 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:46 am

Post by Bell »

I’d say they’re just scum but they’ve looped like this before I just don’t think they look for what I look for when they’re scum/town hunting. They don’t look at how a player reacts or whether it’s consistent with their perspective.

Maybe. I’m null reading them still. But their approach to the claim still bothers me.
User avatar
Frogsterking
Frogsterking
He/him
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
Frogsterking
He/him
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 6197
Joined: June 20, 2011
Pronoun: He/him
Location: Pond

Post Post #4365 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:47 am

Post by Frogsterking »

In post 4357, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4355, Frogsterking wrote:Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?
I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.
Are you sure that on some level you aren't reacting emotionally to having a 0% success rate on determining my alignment?
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
User avatar
Bell
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
User avatar
User avatar
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
Sharp Note
Posts: 14474
Joined: July 14, 2020
Pronoun: He/him

Post Post #4366 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:47 am

Post by Bell »

In post 4362, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4361, Bell wrote:You corrected me in that you said what would be the appropriate play and then said it wouldn’t be the end of the world if Roden flipped town and their Mason partner was confirmed the next day. Which is still a bad take.
It’s not though?

I want two masons alive. That’s the best. People came around to that.
But one confirmed town is still good. It’s not best but acceptable.
Name a worse outcome D2 then the one you listed as not being the end of the world.
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1419
Joined: September 30, 2019
Pronoun: They/Them
Location: Parachute Funhouse

Post Post #4367 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:48 am

Post by Dancing Puppets »

In post 4360, MathBlade wrote:To be fair the last puppets read for C&G was town but I am asking them about it. I haven’t had a chance to go through their numbers though so this is distinctly from the hood chat
I just hydra’d in a game with RH9 and we won because I killed the last scum.
Dance, dance
And these are the lives you love to lead
~ Fall Out Boy

Hydra of Titus and Nancy Drew 39
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
User avatar
User avatar
JohnnyFarrar
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Posts: 5714
Joined: April 14, 2012
Location: somewhere close

Post Post #4368 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:50 am

Post by JohnnyFarrar »

I actually wouldn't mind a Mason claim (it's not me)

Being able to tie Roden to someone and potentially getting 1 to 2 conf towns would be good for reads in general right now, since we're all kind of struggling
Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia
User avatar
Cephrir
Cephrir
he/him
Goodfellas / Best Social Game
User avatar
User avatar
Cephrir
he/him
Goodfellas / Best Social Game
Goodfellas / Best Social Game
Posts: 22778
Joined: October 11, 2006
Pronoun: he/him
Location: Seattle-ish

Post Post #4369 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:50 am

Post by Cephrir »

In post 4363, Dancing Puppets wrote:generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.
it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely
"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,
Bartleby the Scrivener
User avatar
Cephrir
Cephrir
he/him
Goodfellas / Best Social Game
User avatar
User avatar
Cephrir
he/him
Goodfellas / Best Social Game
Goodfellas / Best Social Game
Posts: 22778
Joined: October 11, 2006
Pronoun: he/him
Location: Seattle-ish

Post Post #4370 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:51 am

Post by Cephrir »

In post 4368, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I actually wouldn't mind a Mason claim (it's not me)

Being able to tie Roden to someone and potentially getting 1 to 2 conf towns would be good for reads in general right now, since we're all kind of struggling
bad post c:
"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,
Bartleby the Scrivener
User avatar
Bell
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
User avatar
User avatar
Bell
He/him
Sharp Note
Sharp Note
Posts: 14474
Joined: July 14, 2020
Pronoun: He/him

Post Post #4371 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:51 am

Post by Bell »

Gunna take a step back and wait for Roden.
I’ll process.
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
Dancing Puppets
They/Them
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1419
Joined: September 30, 2019
Pronoun: They/Them
Location: Parachute Funhouse

Post Post #4372 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:52 am

Post by Dancing Puppets »

In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4363, Dancing Puppets wrote:generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.
it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely
I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.
Dance, dance
And these are the lives you love to lead
~ Fall Out Boy

Hydra of Titus and Nancy Drew 39
User avatar
MathBlade
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
User avatar
User avatar
MathBlade
He/Him
Technical Support
Technical Support
Posts: 40490
Joined: September 9, 2013
Pronoun: He/Him
Location: Western US

Post Post #4373 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:54 am

Post by MathBlade »

In post 4365, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 4357, MathBlade wrote:
In post 4355, Frogsterking wrote:Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?
I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.
Are you sure that on some level you aren't reacting emotionally to having a 0% success rate on determining my alignment?
I am pretty poor at hunting everyone so I fail to see your point here?
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
GTKAS -- MathBlade
User avatar
Cephrir
Cephrir
he/him
Goodfellas / Best Social Game
User avatar
User avatar
Cephrir
he/him
Goodfellas / Best Social Game
Goodfellas / Best Social Game
Posts: 22778
Joined: October 11, 2006
Pronoun: he/him
Location: Seattle-ish

Post Post #4374 (ISO) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:55 am

Post by Cephrir »

In post 4372, Dancing Puppets wrote:
In post 4369, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4363, Dancing Puppets wrote:generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.
it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely
I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.
you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you
"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,
Bartleby the Scrivener
Locked