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[Prince of Paterson]

Mostly I've been interested in seeing how Fredrick would post when not being as directly pressured. He's continued to move forward, pushing in multiple directions in what I feel to be a much townier way than previously. Posts like 339, 435, and 443 all are examples. I also feel that if his early obfuscated style of posting was meant as a scum gimmick to fake content or make things difficult to read, there wouldn't be much reason for him to stop. His posting style has cleared up significantly. I don't think anymore that he's likely to be scum.

UNVOTE:

As for UNOwen, I have a tendency to believe that someone who is being misrepresented is more likely to be town, but that's not really how things work. I independently think that Vivax is town, so his side of the argument with UNOwen is irrelevant to UNOwen's alignment. Revisiting UNOwen's ISO on its own, I agree that it doesn't look great. There is one post though that I really like from him: 366. It's an observation that one makes if they are looking closely and genuinely thinking about the game. He read through Enchant's readlist closely enough to notice that some of the reads weren't the easy ones to make, and it's good reasoning to make as a result of that observation. If it weren't for that one post, I would be willing to wagon him and see where it goes, but it makes me hesitate.

I'd like to see more from Pooky. I don't really feel like he has any opinions on the game that he cares about (besides that Firebringer is present) and there isn't much interest in doing anything that will help sort people or make the game more solvable.

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

[Prince of Paterson]

Speaking of Prince, he has notably fallen off a cliff since his vote on Fred. He has two posts since then in almost 48 hours. Any good vibes that vote made me feel are all but gone. When he made it, he was feeling proactive. Now he just feels lazy.

When I see something that interests me, I'll engage with it, but I generally find that getting stuck in the trenches early doesn't really accomplish much for me and usually just increases the noise in the thread. I tend to prefer mostly sitting back and observing, especially early in the game. This game is a little more stagnant than some, though, so I do think some more proactivity could be useful here.

[geraintm]

Then again... I'm not used to playing games where you actually have to reach a majority to vote someone off. Actually seeing a hammer with 17 players in the game was very unlikely. Usually whoever's voted off day 1 wouldn't end any higher than like, 6 votes, unless they did something awful. It's possible I may need to revisit my general stance towards voting in large games in this community where the necessary vote count is so high.

Is this true? Explains a lot about your play style which rubs me up so much. Always with comments and thoughts but never backing it up with any actual action.

[Vivax]

Then again... I'm not used to playing games where you actually have to reach a majority to vote someone off. Actually seeing a hammer with 17 players in the game was very unlikely. Usually whoever's voted off day 1 wouldn't end any higher than like, 6 votes, unless they did something awful. It's possible I may need to revisit my general stance towards voting in large games in this community where the necessary vote count is so high.

Is this true? Explains a lot about your play style which rubs me up so much. Always with comments and thoughts but never backing it up with any actual action.

The hypocrisy of this post almost choked me through the computer screen

[Lowell]

VOTE: Prince

Prince ducked conveniently away from fred wagon to save his buddy. I will oblige and vote him instead.

[Lowell]

Also I'm done with the "vote X until I hear more from them" bit. That applies to others also.

[Prince of Paterson]

Also I'm done with the "vote X until I hear more from them" bit. That applies to others also.

How is it a bad thing to pressure others to make them more readable? If everyone lets people get away with not posting content then we have very little chance of ever solving the game.

[Prince of Paterson]

Also, I don't believe I've done that. I voted Fredrick earlier because I thought he was the most likely player to be scum. I no longer think that.

[Crescent]

On an unrelated game note, I've been cleared to return back to work effective Monday.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my opinions this game are that Meg is scum and I would like to yeet them

[Prince of Paterson]

my opinions this game are that Meg is scum and I would like to yeet them

Then why not give any sort of reasoning why, to help convince others to wagon there? As well as making post 387 which will only make people think that you aren't to be taken seriously.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This doesn't feel like a scum push from Vivax, but I don't quite get it.
Vivax can you resummarize why you think Unowen is scum

this is a scum post because it doesn't state what meg's opinion of Unowen is

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't like stating "reasoning" because it makes scum feel more self conscious if you push them without stating reasoning because they don't know what you caught them on and freeze up

[geraintm]

Then again... I'm not used to playing games where you actually have to reach a majority to vote someone off. Actually seeing a hammer with 17 players in the game was very unlikely. Usually whoever's voted off day 1 wouldn't end any higher than like, 6 votes, unless they did something awful. It's possible I may need to revisit my general stance towards voting in large games in this community where the necessary vote count is so high.

Is this true? Explains a lot about your play style which rubs me up so much. Always with comments and thoughts but never backing it up with any actual action.

The hypocrisy of this post almost choked me through the computer screen

oh, i do vote plenty after day 1, you must have noticed that last game?
sure i was scum and the votes all went towards me winning the game, but i did vote!

[Prince of Paterson]

I don't like stating "reasoning" because it makes scum feel more self conscious if you push them without stating reasoning because they don't know what you caught them on and freeze up

So do you think Meg's reaction to your push was indicative of them being scum?

[UNOwen]

This doesn't feel like a scum push from Vivax, but I don't quite get it.
Vivax can you resummarize why you think Unowen is scum

this is a scum post because it doesn't state what meg's opinion of Unowen is

I think this is very correct.

[MegAzumarill]

Imagine assuming I have opinions.

[UNOwen]

@Meg

Why aren't you bothered by the wagon against you?

Not really no.
Anyone on my wagon is welcome to ask me questions, I haven't seen anything to address as of yet.

It's cool that FancyPants answered, but this question was addressed to you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't like stating "reasoning" because it makes scum feel more self conscious if you push them without stating reasoning because they don't know what you caught them on and freeze up

So do you think Meg's reaction to your push was indicative of them being scum?

yea

I thought they were scum b4 they reacted and their reaction was scummy so i want to flip them

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean if someone comes up with a better case im all ears but i'm not known for being good at changing my mind

[UNOwen]

Owen still has given zero explanation for his Meg vote (a common theme in this game apparently), and he made it over 24 hours ago. The post before that Meg vote was shading Fred. How does this connect?

With Fred I was irritated at him for asking about geraintm, which I thought was obvious at that point. His follow up question to Vivax suggested he was asking for Vivax's benefit as much as his own, and not as I first assumed just trying to imply that my initial post didn't look like an answer. He could still be scum, but I at least misjudged his initial interaction with me.

[FancyPants]

I'm wavering on Malcolm, I hate his non-commital nature but after reading https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89071 posted by greeting, and taking into account my other game with him I'm uncertain.

UNVOTE: Malcolm

I'm really not feeling the fred wagon. Too similar to a recent town game I've played with him.

I'm also inclined to agree with Prince's post in 450.

Based on this:

Fredrick A Campbell [4]: bugspray, geraintm, Prince of Paterson, Lowell
MegAzumarill [4]: PookyTheMagicalBear, Greeting, Firebringer, UNOwen
FancyPants [3]: Vivax, Enchant, MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker [2]: FancyPants, Andante
Andante [1]: MalcolmTucker
Enchant [1]: Dwlee99
bugspray [1]: Fredrick A Campbell

not voting [1]: Crescent

I'm inclined to thing there is a scum or two on this wagon, bugspray and andante showed annoyance about his vote count spam, but the subsequent votes seemed opportunistic.

I don't like stating "reasoning" because it makes scum feel more self conscious if you push them without stating reasoning because they don't know what you caught them on and freeze up

So do you think Meg's reaction to your push was indicative of them being scum?

yea

I thought they were scum b4 they reacted and their reaction was scummy so i want to flip them

@Pooki, Can you please explain your thought process here?

@Lowell, why do you like the Fred wagon, as implied by 377 and 378?
@Geraintm, if you had to dayvig one person right now who would it be, and why?

Minor note but vivax is almost certainly town (although I don't always agree with his analysis) voting UNOwen, leaving that vote, and then revoting UNOwen shows genuine town thought process.

For the love of all that is holy I can we not no-elim on day 1, there seems to be some talk that we won't reach a lim. For the record I stand by my townreads of:
{vivax, greeting, Crescent, Prince, Andante, MegAzumaril} from post 311 and I'll add Enchant and Fred, I'll gladly vote with this block.

[FancyPants]

No this is fucked up why do none of the scummy people have wagons on them.

[FancyPants]

Scum: MalcolmTucker (non-commital scum) /Bugspray (Lurking scum)/Geraintm(Newb-scum) /PookyTheMagicalBear(Experienced scum who's sad they rolled scum)


Maybe's: Firebringger/Dwlee99/Lowell

This is the post I use to gloat endgame.
Will defend these opinions to the death, come at me.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Prince

Prince ducked conveniently away from fred wagon to save his buddy. I will oblige and vote him instead.

Do u really think this? this post reads like a joke