LOST (Game Over)

[Roden]

Also mine

[Bell]

Dunn did make fun of me recently in a diff game for calling him town because I didn’t think he would so consistently be wrong.

[Bell]

I thought he’d like, pretend to or half heartedly bus or something once.

But nope.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What stops mafia from doing something scummy and then saying "I wouldn't do that as mafia though"

I don't think it's outside of anyone's scum range to play aggressively and appear to have no self-preservation

I don't think Dunn's reason for thinking my claim was fake comes from a town mindset either

Nothing prevents them. I just usually see scum back off when the pushed player claims mason so I don't expect the person pushing it to be a scum player.

I rarely see scum push to reveal partner as well and then also have such a complex thought about how the unique flip mechanics make it so that it's optimal to claim[I'm not sure that it is or not but I can see Dunnstral believing it is]

I would be extremely surprised to see Dunnstral flip scum but I would also be happy because killing bad people makes me happy.

[MathBlade]

is there anyone other than mathblade that u want dead at this point?

I dislike compromising because compromises tend to land on townies that I'm misreading as wolves.

If people have a really strong case against someone I will read it.

This is generally my mindset and more often that not when *that* sure the wiki to good mafia says you’re wrong.
I know you’re wrong and I have demolished every reason you put up.

It’s pointless to argue with you more. Either you will or won’t.

UNVOTE:

I still scumread Dancing Puppets but I am talking with C&G.

[Roden]

So Roden. Did you have a super special crumb that Dwlee could have referenced after you died, like multiple players have suggested; or was there nothing like that?

Because if there was nothing like that then your partner claiming here was absolutely necessary. I would not have personally believed Dwlee if they had claimed after you had died.

There was going to be one until y'all screamed for my head and demanded my buddy claim

Why do you assume I die though

[Bell]

So Roden. Did you have a super special crumb that Dwlee could have referenced after you died, like multiple players have suggested; or was there nothing like that?

Because if there was nothing like that then your partner claiming here was absolutely necessary. I would not have personally believed Dwlee if they had claimed after you had died.

Moving the goal posts from: they’re lying to: I needed them to claim just to be sure!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I know you’re wrong and I have demolished every reason you put up.

does anyone here other than mathblade think he "demolished" every reason I put up?

[ProfessorDrapion]

There’s a reason I’m voting MathBlade

[MathBlade]

So Roden. Did you have a super special crumb that Dwlee could have referenced after you died, like multiple players have suggested; or was there nothing like that?

Because if there was nothing like that then your partner claiming here was absolutely necessary. I would not have personally believed Dwlee if they had claimed after you had died.

There was going to be one until y'all screamed for my head and demanded my buddy claim

Why do you assume I die though

I think it’s just loud noise.

Masons in a game this size are unlikely to be shot imho as explained before.

I think it’s much more likely that people want to find something and be the “hero” versus talking with each other.

[Dunnstral]

The issue isn’t that he pushed to claim in retrospect, it was that they were scum reading them post claim without thinking through the downsides of claiming Mason D1 as scum.

I too am in the I dunno if dunnstral scum is this silly about a d1 claim.

You need to work on your comprehension here. I didn't say that Roden was scum, I said that he was lying about his claim and gave reasoning. I also gave reasoning for why I thought he was lying about his claim. I

also

gave reasoning for why it was beneficial for him to finish the claim even if he was telling the truth. And it was beneficial; Roden admits they never made that crumb.

[Roden]

What stops mafia from doing something scummy and then saying "I wouldn't do that as mafia though"

I don't think it's outside of anyone's scum range to play aggressively and appear to have no self-preservation

I don't think Dunn's reason for thinking my claim was fake comes from a town mindset either

Nothing prevents them. I just usually see scum back off when the pushed player claims mason so I don't expect the person pushing it to be a scum player.

I rarely see scum push to reveal partner as well and then also have such a complex thought about how the unique flip mechanics make it so that it's optimal to claim[I'm not sure that it is or not but I can see Dunnstral believing it is]

I would be extremely surprised to see Dunnstral flip scum but I would also be happy because killing bad people makes me happy.

I don't think his thought process here is complex. After giving it just couple minutes of thought and talking to you, I realized a Doc on me prevents me from dying unless scum use their Strongman, which is most often one-shot and would be a waste to use so early on a PR that is non-threatening in such a massive game. It's actually probably optimal to not claim the buddy so that scum is forced to shoot elsewhere or use their Strongman while town PRs protect me or put a Watcher on me. But by claiming, now scum can play 50/50 on who to shoot and town can't focus their PRs on one slot.

Idk I just don't think Dunn cared about optimizing the Mason thing. It's just an aggressive showy play without much substance. And it doesn't explain the rest of Luke's case on him.

[Dwlee99]

If Roden wasn't forced to claim he would have had his crumb out and so I would I have shortly after

We aren't incompetent...

[Dunnstral]

If Roden wasn't forced to claim he would have had his crumb out and so I would I have shortly after

We aren't incompetent...

Sure. But the fact remains that he was forced to claim, and he didn't have the crumb out. It doesn't really matter what you guys intended to do, once it didn't happen you needed to claim.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he could've done an extremely complicated crumb that only someone with the key could unlock but it borders on cryptography

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also it's already done - there's no use arguing over spilt milk.

if you guys really want to kill Dunnstral you need to convince a bunch of people to vote for him.

[MathBlade]

Let’s talk reads a second. What has your hood been up to?

If we take it on face value that you’re the masons (I don’t expect two scum to tie themselves to a masonry lie I am phrasing this for the doubters), what has your hood been like? What’s the discussion back and forth?

[Bell]

So basically you’re saying that you had unassailable logic and you did nothing wrong.

[Dwlee99]

Discussion was:
Me: I want to be Rose instead of Bernard
Roden: okay
Roden: let's make a complicated crumb <plan here>
Me: wow cool crumb let's do it
Me: wow game move fast
Roden: true but you're townie you're fine
Me: oh you had to claim should I claim now
Roden: some kind of response
Me: okay I'll claim cause everyone says I have to even though I don't want to

[MathBlade]

Discussion was:
Me: I want to be Rose instead of Bernard
Roden: okay
Roden: let's make a complicated crumb <plan here>
Me: wow cool crumb let's do it
Me: wow game move fast
Roden: true but you're townie you're fine
Me: oh you had to claim should I claim now
Roden: some kind of response
Me: okay I'll claim cause everyone says I have to even though I don't want to

Is it antitown to share that plan? To demonstrate you had it?

[Dunnstral]

So basically you’re saying that you had unassailable logic and you did nothing wrong.

Can you take a step back and summarize what your issue with me here is?

[Roden]

The issue isn’t that he pushed to claim in retrospect, it was that they were scum reading them post claim without thinking through the downsides of claiming Mason D1 as scum.

I too am in the I dunno if dunnstral scum is this silly about a d1 claim.

You need to work on your comprehension here. I didn't say that Roden was scum, I said that he was lying about his claim and gave reasoning. I also gave reasoning for why I thought he was lying about his claim. I

also

gave reasoning for why it was beneficial for him to finish the claim even if he was telling the truth. And it was beneficial; Roden admits they never made that crumb.

???

Are you saying that you thought I was town lying about being Masons? Why push me to claim further then?

[Bell]

You said they were lying when they weren’t.
They’re town. You made an assumption they didn’t crumb. You thought that it was an actual claim that scum would choose to make.

[Dwlee99]

Post 44 in our ISOs say SOS across 3 lines. It's some show reference Roden knew

[Cephrir]

Discussion was:
Me: I want to be Rose instead of Bernard
Roden: okay
Roden: let's make a complicated crumb <plan here>
Me: wow cool crumb let's do it
Me: wow game move fast
Roden: true but you're townie you're fine
Me: oh you had to claim should I claim now
Roden: some kind of response
Me: okay I'll claim cause everyone says I have to even though I don't want to

Is it antitown to share that plan? To demonstrate you had it?

im curious as to why this is important to you, i can't see how it matters but perhaps you have a reason