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[Crescent]

It's all a matter of meta really.

...Very interesting that obvtown Scamper's the only unvote here.

[Alexcellent]

still thinking ausuka and bella are town

scamper is spewed town from corwin's iso, and i think crescent's play around corwin really isn't scum

i don't remember why i was townreading gamma, but i'm gonna trust past!datisi

and with great sorrow i announce that i found a progression from marcistar that, in this economy, i really doubt comes from scum

so that leaves: alex, johnny, std, freedom

VOTE: johnny

i'm gonna sheep scamper for the time being. i'll try to figure out what's what at some point

Datisi what's the progression you found?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote count 2.03

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-18 16:00:00).

yeet

JohnnyFarrar[3]:

Datisi, Gamma Emerald, Alexcellent

marcistar[1]:

Ausuka

not voting [7]:

Bellaphant, Crescent, JohnnyFarrar, Save the Dragons, Freedom, marcistar, Scamper

mod note

Datisi is VLA for a few days! Get well soon Dats!

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[Crescent]

I love how I start the day by saying the most likely POE is Alex + Datisi or Gamma, and it's specifically those 3 people now sitting on Johnny after Scamper's unvote.

[Gamma Emerald]

[scamper]

ok, im revisiting the initial wave of votes on corwin that crescent was talking about to examine how they look

VOTE: Corwinoid

{crescent, corwinoid, ????} datisi maybe? johnny maybe?

{crescent, corwinoid, johny} game solved gg mic drop

corwinoid practically TMIing scamper as town and screaming how they're caught for the wrong reasons

i think STD is town here anyway because scum has no reason to fakeclaim an investigative result on johnny, but i also want to note i think the confidence and cockiness in immediately voting corwin after corwin blew up at me and throwing out full solves with corwin in it is towny, scm usually doesnt go this all in on a day 1 push. ik ive said this before but it bears repeating.

i like scampers post on corwin, i was getting similar vibes that corwin is doing approx nothing this game

VOTE: corwin

i absolutely still want to murder marci, but we can get this going for the time being

i like ausuka being tryhardy and digging meta up

if anyone needs me for something specific, ask within the next ~half an hour probably kthxbye

this is a bit weaker and i could see it coming as a sheep vote from scum if i squint really hard at it but datisi did mention several times before this he thought corwin was scummy so the progression tracks, i don't have much of an issue with this vote really

This feels quite compelling

corwinoid practically TMIing scamper as town and screaming how they're caught for the wrong reasons

This also feels agreeable

VOTE: corwinoid
I’m down for this

these i like significantly less, its a very weak ote with no thoughts of her own and i dont find much discussion of corwin elsewhere in her iso - definitely fels like it could be a vote that was made opportunistically

I don't like 1018 and the bottom of 1027.
It feels needlessly defensive from Corwin to scamper's 1016 and as STD said in 1029, "pratically TMIing" them as Town.
Regarding, 1016, I think that it actually fairly good analysis from scamper and I concur with it.
VOTE: Corwin

this is fine ig. i dont really have a problem with the way freedom lays out his thoughts here and i still think shoshin was towny. maybe im just biased to townread people in the hood but the way corwin gives a null/town read on shoshin and doesnt realy interact with freedom doesnt feel like a traitor talking about a teammate.

[scamper]

of those voters i like gamma the least, probably need to read her iso to see how i feel about the body of work

[Freedom]

i think STD is town here anyway because scum has no reason to fakeclaim an investigative result on johnny

I agree.
Though, I think that his result might have arisen from his confusion on what his role did.
He claimed that his role would roleblock non-Vanillas in addition to having a different result on Vanilla roles.
However, when I guessed a role which wouldn't do that, he said that I was correct.
This means that he might've misinterpreted what his role did and thought that he cleared Johnny of making the kill.

[scamper]

alright so trying to read through gammas iso:

the early comment on townpinging alex feels like a stretchy read

im slightly bothered still by how she backed down on her scumread of me quickly, because it makes me wonder whether it was even real in the first place

similarly the read on one of cres/shos is whatever to me but the fact she doesnt really do anything with it until shoshin started pushing her pings me

a significant chunk of her posts all read like commentary to me, there's a lot of responding to things other people were saying but not a lot of what i would call analysis or game-advancing content

the argument with shoshin doesnt really come off looking great, i dont like the way she reacts to shoshin attacking her and the accusation of her being "wishy-washy" is nonsense, it looks like applying a generic buzzword that doesnt really fit shoshins behavior

im bothered by how she 180'd her read when freedom showed up because it feels very conveniently timed, 639 feels like a reachy justification to move off a vote

at this point gamma wraps u all her attantion in defending marcistar and again im noting she doesnt actually have a scumread she wants to push at this point. if shes convinced marcistar is town i would expect an effort to sort her voters but i dont get that here, i get more the impression gamma is talking about this stuff because she wants to be seen as being right on marci

there was reference to a secret scumread at 76 and im not sure anything ever came of it?

904 is a super weird post, because it looks more like she wants someone to talk her into scumreading alex than to actually defend alex?

but she has no scumreads she seemed to actually care about

1084 -> 1094 is a line of questioning i dont see the use of and the fact she was so easily satisfied with the answer is Hmm

she kind of just seems to be going with the flow as the corwin wagon builds

notably gamma is putting some suspicion on alex as the wagon on corwin was building and calling out a scumread on him but has had no followthrough on it today, or on her scumread of bella

and i'm not really sure what she's doing right now on day 2...


so overall i'm not really sure why i'm townreading her at all

[scamper]

i think STD is town here anyway because scum has no reason to fakeclaim an investigative result on johnny

I agree.
Though, I think that his result might have arisen from his confusion on what his role did.
He claimed that his role would roleblock non-Vanillas in addition to having a different result on Vanilla roles.
However, when I guessed a role which wouldn't do that, he said that I was correct.
This means that he might've misinterpreted what his role did and thought that he cleared Johnny of making the kill.

oh

well some clarity there would be helpful but im not really sure i wanna go for JF right now
there's basically no resistance to voting him and he barely seems to care when scum are already down a teammate, so if hes mafia i dont really have any idea who his partner is supposed to be...

[scamper]

like in general right now the gamestate feels like its gotten very complacent and i don't like it

[Freedom]

i think STD is town here anyway because scum has no reason to fakeclaim an investigative result on johnny

I agree.
Though, I think that his result might have arisen from his confusion on what his role did.
He claimed that his role would roleblock non-Vanillas in addition to having a different result on Vanilla roles.
However, when I guessed a role which wouldn't do that, he said that I was correct.
This means that he might've misinterpreted what his role did and thought that he cleared Johnny of making the kill.

oh

well some clarity there would be helpful but im not really sure i wanna go for JF right now
there's basically no resistance to voting him and he barely seems to care when scum are already down a teammate, so if hes mafia i dont really have any idea who his partner is supposed to be...

I'll ask STD first.

[Gamma Emerald]

zzzz

[Gamma Emerald]

alright so trying to read through gammas iso:

the early comment on townpinging alex feels like a stretchy read

im slightly bothered still by how she backed down on her scumread of me quickly, because it makes me wonder whether it was even real in the first place

similarly the read on one of cres/shos is whatever to me but the fact she doesnt really do anything with it until shoshin started pushing her pings me

a significant chunk of her posts all read like commentary to me, there's a lot of responding to things other people were saying but not a lot of what i would call analysis or game-advancing content

the argument with shoshin doesnt really come off looking great, i dont like the way she reacts to shoshin attacking her and the accusation of her being "wishy-washy" is nonsense, it looks like applying a generic buzzword that doesnt really fit shoshins behavior

im bothered by how she 180'd her read when freedom showed up because it feels very conveniently timed, 639 feels like a reachy justification to move off a vote

at this point gamma wraps u all her attantion in defending marcistar and again im noting she doesnt actually have a scumread she wants to push at this point. if shes convinced marcistar is town i would expect an effort to sort her voters but i dont get that here, i get more the impression gamma is talking about this stuff because she wants to be seen as being right on marci

there was reference to a secret scumread at 76 and im not sure anything ever came of it?

904 is a super weird post, because it looks more like she wants someone to talk her into scumreading alex than to actually defend alex?

but she has no scumreads she seemed to actually care about

1084 -> 1094 is a line of questioning i dont see the use of and the fact she was so easily satisfied with the answer is Hmm

she kind of just seems to be going with the flow as the corwin wagon builds

notably gamma is putting some suspicion on alex as the wagon on corwin was building and calling out a scumread on him but has had no followthrough on it today, or on her scumread of bella

and i'm not really sure what she's doing right now on day 2...


so overall i'm not really sure why i'm townreading her at all

ngl
If you weren’t basically conftown I’d be scumreading the shit out of this
This entire wall looks like you are deliberately spouting the most uncharitable takes possible on me

[Gamma Emerald]

Also: my Alex SR kinda evaporated today as a result of a) the traitor flip and b) Alex having some nuanced takes today

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I want to try and rebut that wall but there’s just 100% bullshit so idk where to even start

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw the secret scumread was on Ausuka

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: crescent
I think she’s trying to play both sides here. Before STD’s result she was shading JF and after she tries to sling mud onto the JF voters

[Alexcellent]

Don't have a lot of time at the mo, will post later.

Not a huge fan of Gamma's reaction to Scamper's post. Feels very defensive.
I probably need to go through Gamma's ISO to see what Scamper's is seeing. D1 posts made me think Gamma was town, I think mainly her interactions with Ausuka? I'll have to go back though.

Understand and almost agree with the Crescent vote in a way. Cres is slinging a lot of mud and I've felt a lot of her attacks on me have been built around misrepping me to build a bogus case against me, so it's hard to see town motive there, but I think

she

probably believes the case is good and this is also probably how she plays regardless of alignment. I think she can be scum but as I've only seen her town game, it's difficult to tell this and that game apart, which suggests that she's proooobably town here.

Honestly there's some stuff with Datisi I think I need to look further into. I've been mostly town reading there but there's lingering D1 stuff that felt a bit iffy and something about his voting just feels convenient to me. I probs just need to do a re-read.

[Bellaphant]

Hard disagree with ^ because I actually vibed with what gamma was saying. I think gamma is 100% town, partly because of the attack on me and partly because of vibes.

STD is also town.

Cres and aus probably still town, Marci is at least null now. Could elim in Alex/Johnny/datisi basically

[Alexcellent]

Hard disagree with ^ because I actually vibed with what gamma was saying. I think gamma is 100% town, partly because of the attack on me and partly because of vibes.

STD is also town.

Cres and aus probably still town, Marci is at least null now. Could elim in Alex/Johnny/datisi basically

Huh? What did you disagree with?

[Alexcellent]

I am confused, are you disagreeing with Scamper's wall on Gamma or disagreeing that I think Gamma's response looks defensive? Also you're vibing with what Gamma is saying but think Crescent is town?
I am perplexed.

[Datisi]

Datisi what's the progression you found?

Spoiler:

ur so buddy buddy

in before

I see.

What I'm trying to say is I don't think the scummy stuff necessarily needs to be looked at through the lens of a scum strategy.

This is a good point.
Not everybody strategises as scum. Some people as scum panic and do ridiculous things like locking into a minigame that is the easiest for scum in GotF early.

noo can we pretend it was planned... my egos shattered....
early game is easiest to find if im scum i think since ill panic easier... but my associatives always suck ass too so

can we vote corwin

Explain.
Is it to do with their push on STD?

no
its bcuz of the buddy buddying!!

in before

I see.

What I'm trying to say is I don't think the scummy stuff necessarily needs to be looked at through the lens of a scum strategy.

This is a good point.
Not everybody strategises as scum. Some people as scum panic and do ridiculous things like locking into a minigame that is the easiest for scum in GotF early.

noo can we pretend it was planned... my egos shattered....
early game is easiest to find if im scum i think since ill panic easier... but my associatives always suck ass too so

can we vote corwin

Explain.
Is it to do with their push on STD?

no
its bcuz of the buddy buddying!!

I see.
Where did STD buddy Corwin?

not that

i think corwin buddy buddied bellaphant

i don't think that main-scum, who is aware that there is a traitor in the game, goes out and attacks someone for "buddying". i think that buddying is something they'd actively be on the lookout for from their traitor, so it's counter-intuitive to be making false cases on people getting "buddied" because that's something they're currently looking for.

but even if she did to this^^, then i think there would've been a progression of "aha, i said corwin is buddying bella!! corwin flipped traitor!! therefore xyz" and not whatever 1679 is, which was also made after she was specifically asked, as opposed to immediately/early

[Datisi]

JF has 8 posts today.

6 have absolutely no value.

7th is basically sheeping me on Scamper. Also says Scamper needs to re-examine his thought process.. At least Scampwe has a thought process.

The other is his one true content post that says the most likely scum on Corwin is Gamma, and 36 hours later we still don't have a reason why. It kinda looks like he ripped someone right out of the POE in my wall without thinking it through.

He voiced some very light suspicion on Gamma in #634 yesterday, but the reason is very vague and an excuse is made not to pursue it. We still don't know what Gamma did towards me that spurred it.

I love how I start the day by saying the most likely POE is Alex + Datisi or Gamma, and it's specifically those 3 people now sitting on Johnny after Scamper's unvote.

the fact that these two posts come from the same person, only a page apart, is hilarious

no, i'm not unvoting a scummy slot just because there's an unreliable "clear" on them

[Crescent]

VOTE: crescent
I think she’s trying to play both sides here. Before STD’s result she was shading JF and after she tries to sling mud onto the JF voters

Except you tried to do it with Corwin/Bella, and now you're trying to do it with Bella/Ausuka.