Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[Ausuka]

I guess like

alex,

Bella,

Johnny, Gamma?

i dont think bellas posts are too hard to fake as scum :shrug:

some of her opinions seem more like they turn where the tide goes !!! and i dont think shes really done too heavy of opoinionsionsionsionsions opinions
i dont really get how someone can open up her iso and genuinely think shes been hunting but maybe i misread it idk

but idk the point some of yall have been bringing up
abt how corwin was hinting towards her or sumn?
yeah i dont see that
i dont know why he would do that. i feel like a scum tratior would be more cautious about hints for their team, instead of doing

that

, so at best i think that corwin shit is nai. i feel like finding out bellas alignment would be best by reading how she posts instead of trying to read her thru corwin but :shrug:

there goes my content for the week! whew i work hard to make this house a home

Hi I wanted you to know I did read this post

I take your point about Bella not having hunted much? I was chill with it for a long time because I tended to like the posts which she did make but also I don't totally disagree

With the other point I've seen traitor link to their entire team before? So like, I don't think it's out of the question corwin would crumb to Bella but idk

[Ausuka]

Could elim in Alex/Johnny/datisi basically

Bella could you elaborate on your feelings on these players you'd be willing to eliminate

I know you've found it difficult to get into the game so I'm sorry I can't be more specific but like, just saying the feelings you have about these players and giving them an ISO if you have the time should be fine

[Gamma Emerald]

I then back off of Bella + revote Corwin after she explains things
THAT’S the hole

Also, I probably wouldn’t sus both partners that early out of spiteful principle

Bella giving an explanation just gave you an actual reason to do it. That vote was obviously going nowhere as far as forming a train goes, and it was pretty clear no one was going to be joining in.

There's no hole.

I think you see a puzzle that looks almost complete and are trying to ram the last piece in when a whole bunch of others are in the wrong spots

[Crescent]

Could elim in Alex/Johnny/datisi basically

Bella could you elaborate on your feelings on these players you'd be willing to eliminate

I know you've found it difficult to get into the game so I'm sorry I can't be more specific but like, just saying the feelings you have about these players and giving them an ISO if you have the time should be fine

Bella chiming in would be nice, but also Freedom. He's actually done even less than Bella has today, and has yet to even share a read of any kind and has mostly just Hood-talked about STD.

It's kinda frustrating how low-energy this day has been. Giving me all sorts of 2273 vibes where half the town sat on it's ass.

[Datisi]

It's kinda frustrating how low-energy this day has been.

you know what would help with this

running some fuckers up

who are you voting for?

[Crescent]

I then back off of Bella + revote Corwin after she explains things
THAT’S the hole

Also, I probably wouldn’t sus both partners that early out of spiteful principle

Bella giving an explanation just gave you an actual reason to do it. That vote was obviously going nowhere as far as forming a train goes, and it was pretty clear no one was going to be joining in.

There's no hole.

I think you see a puzzle that looks almost complete and are trying to ram the last piece in when a whole bunch of others are in the wrong spots

Not really. The logic flows well enough, All I did was murder Corwin with an argument of death he couldn't recover from. All you did was come along for the ride, pretend to shade Alex, and make an awful vote on Bella late in the day while preemptively setting up today's stance against her and Ausuka.

[Crescent]

It's kinda frustrating how low-energy this day has been.

you know what would help with this

running some fuckers up

who are you voting for?

The problem is I'm townreading all the inactives, and the only two people I am interested in voting for right now are Alex and Gamma.

We've gotten little to nothing out of Bella, Freedom, Johnny, Marci, and STD (until just recently it was nothing). None of these people are in my POE.

And now just like 2273, I'm overexerting myself trying to make up for the fact that half the town isn't doing a damned thing.

[Gamma Emerald]

notably gamma is putting some suspicion on alex as the wagon on corwin was building and calling out a scumread on him but has had no followthrough on it today, or on her scumread of bella

I was curious if scamper's wall had a note on my bella vote that I missed and I noticed this
So scamper clearly sees I didn't push Alex today, so where do you get off pushing the idea I've been shading him today Crescent? You seem to have dropped it for the most part but it's still shady that you tried to bloat up the list of names that I've pushed today!

[Crescent]

I actually forgot that you only pretended to shade him yesterday to create distance and then didn't shade him today.

But thank you for helping make my argument for me that it's you and Alex.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's kinda frustrating how low-energy this day has been.

you know what would help with this

running some fuckers up

who are you voting for?

The problem is I'm townreading all the inactives, and the only two people I am interested in voting for right now are Alex and Gamma.

We've gotten little to nothing out of Bella, Freedom, Johnny, Marci, and STD (until just recently it was nothing). None of these people are in my POE.

And now just like 2273, I'm overexerting myself trying to make up for the fact that half the town isn't doing a damned thing.

question: how active were the scum in 2273? Because I know I'm town and feel good about Alex being town so my inclination is that if you're town you're wrong about some of the inactives.

[Crescent]

One of the scum was the second most active player in the game (Elsa), after the other highly active town (Eira) dropped off a cliff after day 1. Because Corwin wouldn't stop dogging me, that person was allowed to control much of the game's flow. The second scum (Gera) basically just vanished on day 3 and let the leading scum stay in control. Town was sheeping scum onto votes, and we had two different town end up with lazy trains to -1 in the first two days of day 3 because almost no one was trying.

Corwin, George, Gibus, Goldfish, NM, and Vivax, were all useless town, and only 1 ever actually got replaced. George was voted off day 1 and posted more times in twilight than he did in the entire day.

[Gamma Emerald]

okay
if you had to pick 1 inactive player out of this game as scum, who would it be?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, I probably wouldn’t sus both partners that early out of spiteful principle

btw: I said this hoping to get some questions about it

[Crescent]

Let's see...

STD is pretty obviously town.

I think Bella looks good primarily because I don't think Corwin is savvy enough to do what he did with her if they're both scum. This is almost entirely a read of Corwin being superimposed on Bella. What I saw in 2273 was a player who wasn't capable of next-level plays like rolefishing someone he knows is scum as traitor.

The other three are varying degrees of "I don't think they fit as scum with Alex".

With Marci I can't read that shit I'll be frank. I'm either going to sheep other people or try to use other people to read her. Alex's pressure on her has been consistently bad.

Reading Freedom's ISO, I feel like I've been giving him too much credit. The way he immediately jumped on Alex's awful logic against Marci yesterday suggests they are not both scum, but there isn't a lot there. He'd become closer to a null that I'd need to see more from. We have gotten nothing from him so far on day 2.

And of course the entire sticking point on Johnny is how consistently he's sussed Alex from the start. He doesn't

really

have anything going for him if Alex is town.

Like I said earlier though: I townread Alex virtually all of 2273, and I don't have that same townread here.

Alex being town would make me look at Freedom and Johnny harder, I guess. Doesn't change me on STD and Bella at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

what is different between this game and 2273 for Alex? You're welcome to quote your previous explanation if there is one, I think I asked about this earlier

[Crescent]

Honestly though I kinda just feel like Johnny is a VT and just doesn't give a crap. Like, why even mention a scumread of Gamma if you're going to do absolutely nothing about it?

And yikes it's worse than I thought. The guy has 0 posts in 25 hours and 1 post in the last 44 hours. That 1 post is technically not content either, so a prod would be justified, though it feels kinda rude to prod a guy who says his family is sick...

[Ausuka]

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Who is scum?

I'm sort of feeling FlavorLeaf for now.

There are so many players here that I have already seen/played with, that are always ? to me.
You and Mulch represent the S-tier of that.

Then there are so many guys who I don't know at all, such as Ignition, dave, Flairs....
And since these guys have only posted once or twice, I can't get a read yet.
They are all scum until I get a stronger read that says otherwise, and even then...you know how paranoid I am!

Flavor is the only one so far of whom I can say that he has been "uncharacteristic" for his usual townplay.

Unabombah was traitor and ignition, Dave and flairs were mafia

Feels pretty similar to what we saw here so I'm not sure I buy the "mafia wouldn't do that" argument

[Gamma Emerald]

@johnnyfarrar

you should probably use the V/LA function in the user control panel next time there's an emergency

[Ausuka]

While this was a long time ago my instinct is that Unabombah's level of experience back then was similar to Corwinoid now

[Datisi]

sooooooooo

anyone gonna join me on the alex wagon then?

[Ausuka]

i mean honestly I don't even know how I feel about Alex right now

I scumread him d1 and he generally felt like scum on an instinctive level to me but since I got sick I haven't really been analysing his posts tbh, I should probably start doing that again

Why should I vote him today

[Gamma Emerald]

While this was a long time ago my instinct is that Unabombah's level of experience back then was similar to Corwinoid now

I kinda wanna say una was more capable than corwin probably is

[Ausuka]

Una is a very capable player and was when I left the site but I think in this game he was very new?

[Gamma Emerald]

what was his townplay like back then
Crescent's picture of corwin's abilities are based on a towngame so that should be a point of comparison

[Crescent]

what is different between this game and 2273 for Alex? You're welcome to quote your previous explanation if there is one, I think I asked about this earlier

He came off as genuinely wishy washy in 2273 at a lot of key points. This is a guy who basically took BOTH sides of me vs. Elsa on day 2. We both made a long argument against each other. His response was basically "Oh man I like both of these arguments!" It felt like he was genuinely just saying whatever came to mind, even if it looked dumb.

In this game he vibes me like he's posting with a more measured mindset than he did in 2273. The reactions don't feel as raw and real to me, and I feel like he's actively searching for reasons to shade people in a way he simply did not do in that game. That's primarily where the feeling that he's played "opportunistically" has come from.

I would also argue he was considerably more of a driving force. We did end up voting off town power on days 1 and 2, yes, but he was an early vote on both. He was actively pushing both - Especially the one on day 2. He was after BBT for quite a long time and was insistent on the train. In this game, I feel like it's a lot more of a "wait and see" approach instead of the "Take destiny in my own hands" approach of 2273. It lacks the feeling of genuineness he had in that game.