LOST (Game Over)

[Taly]

I want people to justify their

Ceph

townread.

I still want this addressed. I'm failing to see the town perspective from

Ceph's

play here and a no elimination will resolve very little, and indirectly posits that

Ceph

is town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you can read from the part where STD declares the gladiate why i think ceph/you is t/t

[Lukewarm]

@Dunn @Pooky what mech arguments are being made for Cephrir/Taly?

dunn hasnt done enough anti town shit today he's trying to gaslight me into thinking that yeeting taly!town is protown because he's happy to lose

I feel like I keep seeing posts from pooky and drap that act like my own view point is somehow invalid, or impossible for town to have. Which makes me completely disregard their arguments tbh.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Dunn @Pooky what mech arguments are being made for Cephrir/Taly?

dunn hasnt done enough anti town shit today he's trying to gaslight me into thinking that yeeting taly!town is protown because he's happy to lose

I feel like I keep seeing posts from pooky and drap that act like my own view point is somehow invalid, or impossible for town to have. Which makes me completely disregard their arguments tbh.

same

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think you're town I just think you're wrong

[Lukewarm]

I see frogster claimed role cop? So we kill them right?

I expect to see multiple back to back all caps posts from frog about how this post confirms dwlee as scum now before I finish catching up.

[Dancing Puppets]

i think Frogster spewed Taly/Ceph both town

How is Ceph spewed town?

cuz frogster is scum and his initial reaction to gladiate was to "sleep on the choice" which means he's thinking about which townflip puts him in a better position tommorrow.

@Taly, this is Pooky’s theory. But I think you will very likely die if we don’t no lim. :/

[Dancing Puppets]

I see frogster claimed role cop? So we kill them right?

I expect to see multiple back to back all caps posts from frog about how this post confirms dwlee as scum now before I finish catching up.

Dwlee’s town. And if people listen to my trs, we can avoid helping scum achieve their wincon.

[Lukewarm]

I find it wild that the counter argument to townreads on Taly is “we have to vote SOMEONE”

~GE

I believe the counter argument that j presented was:

"I am more sure on ceph town, AND we have to yeet someone"

It's a two parter

[Lukewarm]

I see frogster claimed role cop? So we kill them right?

I expect to see multiple back to back all caps posts from frog about how this post confirms dwlee as scum now before I finish catching up.

Dwlee’s town. And if people listen to my trs, we can avoid helping scum achieve their wincon.

I am aware that dwlee is town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we don't have to yeet anyone no yeet is a valid vote choice

[Dancing Puppets]

we don't have to yeet anyone no yeet is a valid vote choice

+1

Tomorrow we can actually try to find scum the democratic way.

[Dancing Puppets]

I find it wild that the counter argument to townreads on Taly is “we have to vote SOMEONE”

~GE

I believe the counter argument that j presented was:

"I am more sure on ceph town, AND we have to yeet someone"

It's a two parter

No we don’t, STD already said so.

[Dancing Puppets]

I never said I wanted to eliminate town... you are projecting your own reads onto me

Yeah it is fair to say this game is very long. That is why the gladiate is pro-town; you are instead arguing that the game should have gone on even longer

Your argument is that the gladiate is protown because it makes the game shorter.

gladiates only make games shorter if they land on scum and get scum eliminated.

unless you are making the point that it's protown to make the game shorter by eliminating town.

the only thing that makes games shorter is to eliminate the scum.

+1

[Lukewarm]

There is a lot of math and scenarios on why KILLING YOURSELF is better then killing no one.

One example is that It affects how many protective have to land before the town is bought a miselim.

Like, right now a doctor saving one (1) player = an extra town miselim. If we no kill, then a doctor would have to save two (2) players to = an extra town miselim.

But also, info for looking back.

I agree with this and would rather selfvote than allow no lim to happen

i share the same opinion.

Both players on the chopping black have said that they would rather self vote then allow a no elim to happen.

[Lukewarm]

I find it wild that the counter argument to townreads on Taly is “we have to vote SOMEONE”

~GE

I believe the counter argument that j presented was:

"I am more sure on ceph town, AND we have to yeet someone"

It's a two parter

No we don’t, STD already said so.

I am aware that, mechanically, no elim is an option.

I am also of the opinion that we have to elim someone here.

You can stop quoting me to tell me I am wrong every time that I say it. I have seen it.

[Enchant]

For combo we need Day 2 ended by Taly/Ceph elimination anyway.

[Dancing Puppets]

I don't like no lim but I'm deferring to Nancy. Nancy's present and engaged. I'm distracted. We'll follow her unless shevbecomes wrong.

VOTE: no lim

~Titus

[Cephrir]

Fwiw if I were to make the decision alone I would have picked mathblade

So why didn’t you? I wouldn’t be feeling so demoralized by losing one of my strongest trs.

Low confidence in my reads so I wanted some help. Some of the players i asked are better scumhunters than me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You can stop quoting me to tell me I am wrong every time that I say it. I have seen it.

if it's ok for you to post that you're right

it's ok for her to post that you're wrong

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Both players on the chopping black have said that they would rather self vote then allow a no elim to happen.

they have their vote I have mine

[Rad]

I want people to justify their

Ceph

townread.

I still want this addressed. I'm failing to see the town perspective from

Ceph's

play here and a no elimination will resolve very little, and indirectly posits that

Ceph

is town.

Sure I'll answer your question.

I believe a town!Ceph recognized the game state was terrible for town. We're just spinning our wheels constantly in different directions with no real cohesion. We've got PRs announcing left and right and surely more to come with more new wagons. Many people were openly stating how long d1 is dragging on and how they hated it. Most people are stating that the game is too fast and they can't keep up, so most people aren't even reading the entire thread at this point and just coming to conclusions anyway because if they don't, people scum read them for it. So many people are being toxic as fuck and shouting at each other making no real progress on anything. I think town!Ceph decided enough was enough and got his top town reads to decide who should be eliminated and made his move.

Or a scum!Ceph I guess could be diverting attention from a frog or mala vote by putting himself in the crossfire and hoping we all come to the town!Ceph conclusion?

I gotta lean toward the more straight forward answer of town!Ceph.

That said, again, I'll vote ceph over taly here if I choose to vote because an any alignment ceph flip at least heals town and a town!Taly flip absolutely destroys it. I don't think we see a scum flip in either of the 2 options so I'd only go for that if I conclude that it's just the smarter town move due to "stats/theory reasons", or if I convince myself that this town needs a ceph flip to progress.

[Lukewarm]

pooky on a scale from 1-10 how beneficial to town wincon would it be for this day to end asap

tbone, luke, csf & dp if you happen to be around, same q

pooky on a scale from 1-10 how beneficial to town wincon would it be for this day to end asap

tbone, luke, csf & dp if you happen to be around, same q

Probably an 11 for my continued enjoyment of the game. Desire to actually be here is plummeting fast.

Probably like, a 7 for actual town win con? This day has reached critical mass to where no one at any point is going to want to look back at it when we have flips, and the longer it gets the more info will be ignored.

The way that Ceph approached using his ability felt very town motivated to me.

Like, the way he was thinking at the time was entirely aligned with how I was feeling. And I generally feel like scum would care a lot less about the day dragging on.

I also liked that he asked, responded to multiple people, and worked up to the decision. It felt pretty organic. And if he was scum, he would have already decided that he was doing it. So the progression looking right and natural makes me think that it was coming from town

Doing the straw poll on hist target also felt very +town for him. Because as scum, that would mean he either added a scum buddy to the list, and left it to the masses if there was going to be a scum/scum gladiate, or he did it in a way that would leave 3 different, on average lower read players spewed town.

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I do not think that this is the way that scum would have utilized a gladiate.

[Lukewarm]

You can stop quoting me to tell me I am wrong every time that I say it. I have seen it.

if it's ok for you to post that you're right

it's ok for her to post that you're wrong

I felt like her intent was to make sure that I knew. I was telling her that I knew.

If her intent was to tell other people, she is welcome to keep going I guess.

[Lukewarm]

and one last thing

I do not care how fucking long this game takes

I care about killing scum

because killing scum is the only fucking way to end this game

so saying shit like OH ITS GOOD THAT WE R GOING TO ELIMINATE TOWN AND FINALLY END THE DAY

is fucking ass backwards because eliminating town does not make the game shorter it just means we start all over again tommorrow with the same number of fucking scum to eliminate

100% this
My scum team was on the ropes for like 90% of D1 in NQN2 but we managed to get off a miselim on Toog bcuz people just wanted to end the day.

~GE

It is my opinion that this is a very good argument on why it is anti-town for days to be allowed to drag on and on.