Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma

meh

someone convince me it's not gamma/marci i guess

How about the fact that leaves 2 fucking VTs when typically in my exp the minimum tends to range out at 4
Turn on your fucking brain asshole

i have seen 13p games with 2 vt's.

Where

[Datisi]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85010

three vt's, but whatever

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah town power is like. heavily in that 3 players can be confirmed and Roden can confirmed the vts. And then literally nobody got confirmed in reality lmao

Also why would that ever even be considered a clear in a multitasking game that makes no sense

I’ve seen that mindset used in other multitasking games so it’s a real thing

[Ausuka]

The 2 simple roles and 2 complex roles should indicate that there are more than 3 vts?

Setup spec wise I guess that would mean freedom is most likely maf but also like

Idk if it's worth actually paying attention to the roles outside, I believe it's fairly unlikely scum are both vt claims or both pr claims, but neither is literally impossible

Pedit: ??? Can you link because that makes no sense

[Alexcellent]

So the setup would look something like this?

1. Town Simple Traffic Analyser Neighbour
2. Town Simple Vigilante Neighbour
3. Town Novice Complex Non-Consecutive Friendly Neighbour

4. Town Ascetic Miller Mailman
5. Town Simple Doctor Voyeur
6. Town One-Shot Novice Complex Vigilante
7. Town Neighbour

8. VT

9. VT
10. VT
11. Mafia ??
12. Mafia ??

13. Mafia Bulletproof Traitor Jailkeeper Neighbour

Coloured lines are ones confirmed via flips.

That just feels like way too few VTs for a game that has multiple roles that only get anything out of interacting with a vanilla role.
Crescent was VT. We have myself, Marci, Scamp, Gamma all claiming Vanilla. I assume that at least one scum is probably just a goon. If Corwin wasn't a traitor I'd say it could just be goons left.
Feeling like at least one of those PR claims is bogus. I could see one scum make a claim and the second scum just lay low as VT or something. Idk, I have no hot takes here.

P-edit: lots of posts happening
P-edit 2: I'm not cleared at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

Idr the game link but there was a normal game I saw where a mafia fv in a multitasking game was included as a clear to iirc either a tracker or watcher
I recall mastina also having some involvement there

[Alexcellent]

If I were judging on play alone I'd be heavily suspecting Freedom. I guess he could be scum based on the fact that we had a friendly neighbour so that maybe makes it more possible that there were 2 scum in the hood.
I've been town reading there largely over the setup and also I was townreading Shoshin but that's from a lot of minor early D1 stuff.

[marcistar]

i think freedom seems like usual

[marcistar]

unless if im mistaking them for someone else Hdhhehs

[Alexcellent]

Yeah, I'm probably overthinking. Sticking to my guns and saying Freedom is town.

[Alexcellent]

Those claims are so good, like in a shit way. Like simple doctor is so useless here, it fits this game perfectly. And 1-shot complex vig... I'm kind of inclined to buy it because the fact it's 1-shot vs. the simple vig which wasn't 1-shot I think implies this probably is a very PR heavy game? So maybe there are only 3 VTs. I can see that being like a balance thing. But also it being 1-shot and apparently that shot already being used, it's impossible to prove/disprove going forward, we just have to accept what Datisi's saying.

Think Ausuka is right and probably just need to vote based on actual play and content.
Will wait for Johnny's results too though.

[marcistar]

its not too hard to bs a meme role

[Freedom]

So the setup would look something like this?

1. Town Simple Traffic Analyser Neighbour
2. Town Simple Vigilante Neighbour
3. Town Novice Complex Non-Consecutive Friendly Neighbour

4. Town Ascetic Miller Mailman
5. Town Simple Doctor Voyeur
6. Town One-Shot Novice Complex Vigilante
7. Town Neighbour

8. VT

9. VT
10. VT
11. Mafia ??
12. Mafia ??

13. Mafia Bulletproof Traitor Jailkeeper Neighbour

Coloured lines are ones confirmed via flips.

That just feels like way too few VTs for a game that has multiple roles that only get anything out of interacting with a vanilla role.
Crescent was VT. We have myself, Marci, Scamp, Gamma all claiming Vanilla. I assume that at least one scum is probably just a goon. If Corwin wasn't a traitor I'd say it could just be goons left.
Feeling like at least one of those PR claims is bogus. I could see one scum make a claim and the second scum just lay low as VT or something. Idk, I have no hot takes here.

P-edit: lots of posts happening
P-edit 2: I'm not cleared at all.

I thought that Johnny claimed Simple Combined Doctorr Voyeur and Ausuka claimed Ascetic Mille Even-Night Mailman.

[Gamma Emerald]

What message did Ausuka send you Freedom?

[Freedom]

What message did Ausuka send you Freedom?

They claimed their role and said that they figured out that the hood is all PRs, which they thought scum might've done as well after Corwin's flip.
They told me that who they suspected to be scum and told me to crumb in my daystart post, recommending the word 'even' to tell them that I recieved their message.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay.

[Alexcellent]

Yeah Idk. There's a scenario here where scum could have already won if Datisi's claim is legit.

D1/N1: town mislims, StD shoots a VT, scum shoot a townie
D2/N2: town mislims, StD shoots a VT, Datisi shoots a town PR, scum shoots a townie

7 townies dead before D3 starts which would leave us with 3 scum/ 3 town, GG. This is assuming this isn't like a 2 scum game for some reason.
Odds of this happening are super unlikely and would mean a next level bad performance by town and vigs but it's still a possibility and I feel like that's a thing that might get brought up for review? But I don't mod or review games so maybe someone can correct me. This just feels like it may not be balanced.

[Alexcellent]

What message did Ausuka send you Freedom?

They claimed their role and said that they figured out that the hood is all PRs, which they thought scum might've done as well after Corwin's flip.
They told me that who they suspected to be scum and told me to crumb in my daystart post, recommending the word 'even' to tell them that I recieved their message.

But you're not a PR outside of being a hoody?

[Freedom]

What message did Ausuka send you Freedom?

They claimed their role and said that they figured out that the hood is all PRs, which they thought scum might've done as well after Corwin's flip.
They told me that who they suspected to be scum and told me to crumb in my daystart post, recommending the word 'even' to tell them that I recieved their message.

But you're not a PR outside of being a hoody?

Yup.
I'm nothing but a Town Neighbor.

[marcistar]

is gamma scum or no i cant tell

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m the maflia

[marcistar]

okay

VOTE: gamma

[Ausuka]

Alright I'm here let's SOLVE THIS GAME

I feel like I don't want to make too many assumptions about the setup as I've said. I'd like other ppl to comment on if we think the 1 VT 1 PR distribution is highly likely.

That said I'm going to start rereading now to get some sorting going. I think the priority should be sorting Alex because he seems to have the WIM of the rest of this game combined

[Ausuka]

i dont really think scum claims ascetic miller on page 1, i think if ascetic they just claim ascetic without the miller part, cuz the extra detail is unnecessary to invent. simplest explanation is aus got given an actual weird neg util role and claimed it

ill leave this here for now

VOTE: marci

We had 7 votes in the "RVS" phase. What makes that one stand out to you any more than the others?

the caps makes it stand out

if it was an actual sentence in caps this would feel more logical but all ausuka said was "OMGUS"

i don't see how thats scummy..?

why would scum want to naked vote and draw attention to themselves?
why would shoshin

not

want to shade people this early on? it'll cause reactions for sure and help better read people? like how ur having a tantrum over them scumreading you rn
why are

you

framing everything they do in such a bad way? the certain words, "bullshitting", "dodging a question" its making a bigger deal of something than it should be.
why are

you

expecting shoshin to be perfect?

So no reason for me NOT to believe Ausuka at this point, but I don't think it's impossible that scum makes that claim.

i dont really think scum claims ascetic miller on page 1, i think if ascetic they just claim ascetic without the miller part, cuz the extra detail is unnecessary to invent. simplest explanation is aus got given an actual weird neg util role and claimed it

ill leave this here for now

VOTE: marci

Hmm we get into WIFOM territory here though. Why would scum say ascetic miller and not just ascetic? Maybe so we can have this conversation. Good lies involve detail and ascetic miller is a way to say "omg guys look at this dumb role I've got, why is this a thing?" Rather than blindly going "I'm ascetic," and everyone has to decide if they believe it or not. Also the conversation is muddied a bit more because we're no longer just going "idk if I believe Ausuka", now we're going "why would this role exist?"
But yeah, I'm just thinking out loud. This early in the game I'm happy to lean more towards accepting that there's an ascetic miller.

vote count 1.02

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-12 12:00:00).

yeet

marcistar[4]:

Ausuka, scamper, Datisi, Bellaphant

Shoshin[2]:

Roden, Save The Dragons

Crescent[1]:

Shoshin

Scamper[1]:

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting[5]:

InsidiousLemons, Alexcellent, Crescent, JohnnyFarrar, marcistar

mod note

Let me know if there are errors in the vote count

Flavor

Scamper still feels like obvtown in the early game and I don't think I would ever catch them as scum

The Marci wagon might be interesting? I know one mafia was inactive at daystart but would wolves leave her alone totally at the start

[Ausuka]

Q+ errors ignore that