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[Lowell]

As I think of it, prince can wait. Clearer threat first.

VOTE: unsure

[Crescent]

In hindsight, now that I'm being less tunnely on Fred, I have to correct something I said earlier. There is one MT post that's good.

MT saying Lowell is town (and giving a reason for it) is a good look. I feel like Lowell is the kind of low-effort town that scum loves to have in their POE, and MT basically just tossed him right out of it. Side note I have no idea how Gera ever got the impression that I scumread Lowell after my exchange with Fire at the start of the day.

[Crescent]

Though it does make me curious that he has given 0 indications of actually scumreading anyone today and I would like to see an argument to that effect the next time he shows up.

[Lowell]

In hindsight, now that I'm being less tunnely on Fred, I have to correct something I said earlier. There is one MT post that's good.

MT saying Lowell is town (and giving a reason for it) is a good look. I feel like Lowell is the kind of low-effort town that scum loves to have in their POE, and MT basically just tossed him right out of it. Side note I have no idea how Gera ever got the impression that I scumread Lowell after my exchange with Fire at the start of the day.

I'm retracting crescent from my town list. Something about this post gives me the willies. The way it looks like narration, maybe? Looks like possible pocketing of two different low-energy people at once? Between these people and the scumzers trying to lowkey frame me as mafia doctor eh I don't know.

[Crescent]

If anything, I would've been pocketing you from the very start of the day (when Fire and I clashed over you), not in that post. I also never even called MT town, I just said he looks better in hindsight than he did earlier, and I challenged him to give actual scumreads.

Kinda feels like that post is jumping to all sorts of false conclusions while paying zero actual attention to the rest of my actions today.

[Greeting]

Crescent

, what do you think of

Unsure

's alignment? What is your take on my case on them?

[Crescent]

Unsure remains in my POE and some of the reasons are similar to yours. It's actually not the "talking big about Meg being scum but not voting for them" that bothers me most. It's keeping the vote on Bugspray, who was the clear countertrain,

and a player Unsure specifically said they didn't want to vote out before Meg

. This is where the actions don't match the words to me: Town here should be unvoting Bugspray as a natural progression of their own actions, and he simply does not do it.

i also subscribe to solving bugs' slot after meg's slot.

This should be accompanied by an unvote that never shows up.

He sussed me today specifically for being skeptical of him never voting Meg, but it partially misses the point of why the skepticism is there. Bugspray was a scum-driven counterwagon by Fred trying to protect Meg and I was spot on about this.

And Fred's only become even more obviously scum today so....

[MalcolmTucker]

In hindsight, now that I'm being less tunnely on Fred, I have to correct something I said earlier. There is one MT post that's good.

MT saying Lowell is town (and giving a reason for it) is a good look. I feel like Lowell is the kind of low-effort town that scum loves to have in their POE, and MT basically just tossed him right out of it. Side note I have no idea how Gera ever got the impression that I scumread Lowell after my exchange with Fire at the start of the day.

I'm retracting crescent from my town list. Something about this post gives me the willies. The way it looks like narration, maybe? Looks like possible pocketing of two different low-energy people at once? Between these people and the scumzers trying to lowkey frame me as mafia doctor eh I don't know.

Would scum Crescent not be best off pushing me if I'm town though and they want to pocket? Few votes on me and it's an easy place to go at the moment seemingly.

[Crescent]

Also as a side note, given the way Unsure has been tunneling MT since before Meg even flipped, I don't see them being as scum together.

[Crescent]

In hindsight, now that I'm being less tunnely on Fred, I have to correct something I said earlier. There is one MT post that's good.

MT saying Lowell is town (and giving a reason for it) is a good look. I feel like Lowell is the kind of low-effort town that scum loves to have in their POE, and MT basically just tossed him right out of it. Side note I have no idea how Gera ever got the impression that I scumread Lowell after my exchange with Fire at the start of the day.

I'm retracting crescent from my town list. Something about this post gives me the willies. The way it looks like narration, maybe? Looks like possible pocketing of two different low-energy people at once? Between these people and the scumzers trying to lowkey frame me as mafia doctor eh I don't know.

Would scum Crescent not be best off pushing me if I'm town though and they want to pocket? Few votes on me and it's an easy place to go at the moment seemingly.

Correct. I didn't even bother to mention my motives for pocketing you two of all people would be virtually nonexistent as scum, because his argument was so flawed in every aspect that I didn't need to. I was basically just going to see if someone else did it for me~

Anyways, who do you scumread? You have still given us zero inclinations today.

[MalcolmTucker]

In hindsight, now that I'm being less tunnely on Fred, I have to correct something I said earlier. There is one MT post that's good.

MT saying Lowell is town (and giving a reason for it) is a good look. I feel like Lowell is the kind of low-effort town that scum loves to have in their POE, and MT basically just tossed him right out of it. Side note I have no idea how Gera ever got the impression that I scumread Lowell after my exchange with Fire at the start of the day.

I'm retracting crescent from my town list. Something about this post gives me the willies. The way it looks like narration, maybe? Looks like possible pocketing of two different low-energy people at once? Between these people and the scumzers trying to lowkey frame me as mafia doctor eh I don't know.

Would scum Crescent not be best off pushing me if I'm town though and they want to pocket? Few votes on me and it's an easy place to go at the moment seemingly.

Correct. I didn't even bother to mention my motives for pocketing you two of all people would be virtually nonexistent as scum, because his argument was so flawed in every aspect that I didn't need to. I was basically just going to see if someone else did it for me~

Anyways, who do you scumread? You have still given us zero inclinations today.

For reasons stated by a fair few, I'm increasingly not too keen on Fred as town.

[MalcolmTucker]

Bugspray D1 wagon seems like a potentially decent place for one of the scum to sit - they hadn't done much and there was a bit of annoyance with the slot, easy for a teammate of Meg's to say they scumread in the hope the wagon goes away while one or two players bus perhaps?

[MalcolmTucker]

my opinions this game are that Meg is scum and I would like to yeet them

Then why not give any sort of reasoning why, to help convince others to wagon there? As well as making post 387 which will only make people think that you aren't to be taken seriously.

I don't like stating "reasoning" because it makes scum feel more self conscious if you push them without stating reasoning because they don't know what you caught them on and freeze up

So do you think Meg's reaction to your push was indicative of them being scum?

Since Meg hasn't answered still, the reason I'm asking about his opinion on the wagon is that I'd expect someone who had the reaction they had to the mini pileup on Fred would also show a bit of concern about scum being involved in the almost completely unexplained five vote wagon against himself. Responding to it by ignoring the votes and instead accusing FancyPants of tmi for calling it a bad wagon doesn't seem consistent. To me it looks like Meg couldn't tell whether the wagon was a bluff or not and didn't want to risk looking scummy by overreacting.

Hadn't really thought Meg was scummy previously, but this is actually fairly convincing reasoning. I'm okay with this, maybe Pooky is right after all.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Oof, not sure if it's been mentioned but I don't think Prince comes out of this exchange looking particularly great.

Initially very defensive of Meg, but quickly changes their tune once the case is made as the wagon builds momentum. Possibility they'd maybe have been most likely to bus here?

[Prince of Paterson]

Of course I can see how it could come across that way, but I didn't have much of a read on Meg at the time. The questions were to help me sort Pooky. I was interested in why he was so strongly suspicious of Meg but also not doing much to help convince anyone that Meg was scum, and even downplaying his own read accuracy. It felt to me like he didn't actually care if Meg got eliminated (or maybe that he didn't even want them to be eliminated). I don't really see anything that was a defense of Meg, I just wanted to hear Pooky's reasoning. And his responses were fine. UNOwen's later point helped convince me as well. If I were chainsawing, I would have gone for Pooky harder.

[Firebringer]

im lazy and just gonna omgus
VOTE: Fred

[Firebringer]

You people trying to scumread me need to try harder. Bugs says I have no gun and there’s all of a sudden a suspiciously large number of ppl eager to lowkey scumread me. Seems awfully convenient if you get what I’m saying.

i mean it is pretty clear ur "cleared" isn't a clear till scum doctor dies.
So u could be scum doc.
Or bugspray could be lying.

But lets not go into hypotheticals, ur low on the suspicion list right now

[Vivax]

General reminder that I could be mafia too.
Thank you for your attention.

[Firebringer]

I appreciate that reminder. Can you remind me everyday?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Crescent I'm townreading for attempting to find mafia.

Firebringer I'm voting because Firebringer is one of the players I'm not townreading.

MalcolmTucker is also a player I'm not townreading, but I've randomly decided to go for Firebringer first.

[Unsure]

Greeting you are absolutely tunelled.

Me not voting Meg is a natural move when Meg is at E-2 with a full fucking week before deadline and Enchant is on your playerlist. How else do you expect any!town would handle the situation? Would town immediately E-1 their scumread in that situation? Think about it.

I admit the more I think about it now, Crescent is back on my town list. Yesterday I took it against her that she was outside of any wagon despite expressing a scumread/PoE on bugs. But it makes me think that if I'm to believe bugspray's claim (which is probably true anyway), her position is actually indicative of town. But the observation I had was real because I expressed that I still wanted more from the day and that's not possible if I'm pushing the wagon to Enchant's hammer distance. It just seemed too convenient for me that Crescent will do that with Meg flipping scum immediately, and I kinda OMGUS'd it.

Also as I said it isn't damning. Your brain thought the coincidence is scum-indicative. Don't you think that it's more likely scum would have faked their own reads to recalibrate to status quo with their scummy slot? This is the same level of "informed agenda" that you're accusing me of (which the matching of reads would only be possible if i have read ahead or coordinated with a scum team) Why is my counterargument for this invalid — except for the fact that it's not the belief that you're holding on to?

[Unsure]

My fucking townreads are scumreading me
Help me jesus

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 921

Don't really think that this is the approach MalcolmTucker takes to the day if he did intentionally hammer a scum partner. If he did that, he would have been expecting to get some credit for it, but here he seems almost apologetic, and I believe him that he didn't know it was the hammer. I also like the way he reassessed after reading Firebringer's ISO and took back his suspicion there. It weakens him a bit to do so, in a position where he's already vulnerable. As scum I would expect him to try to more confidently push in some chosen direction. Making a post calling someone out, experiencing some light pushback for it, and folding immediately will often be jumped on by town and scum alike, so I'm inclined to think instead that it's just the way his opinions naturally evolved because it gains him no advantages.

I don't really support the Malcolm wagon anymore and much prefer Fredrick.

I find the argument convincing and am currently townreading MalcolmTucker.

[Crescent]

General reminder that I could be mafia too.
Thank you for your attention.

Not_Mafia is Mafia let's get him.

General reminder that I could be mafia too.
Thank you for your attention.

Crescent I'm townreading for attempting to find mafia.

Firebringer I'm voting because Firebringer is one of the players I'm not townreading.

MalcolmTucker is also a player I'm not townreading, but I've randomly decided to go for Firebringer first.

Um let's walk through this. First, it's not like I'm the only one trying to solve. Second, Fire is a completely useless splinter when like 6 people have votes and you're apparently neutral on most of the game.

Second is: If you're town, I would

not

be trying to find mafia, because I've effectively been death tunneling on you all day. You basically haven't even responded to like, any arguments at all, but you're also giving me a town read that makes no sense to give out.

Like your reason for calling me town only actually makes sense if you're scum.

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