LOST (Game Over)

[Bell]

1 reason is simply that people are still digesting the flips/turning up to learn about the flips here + getting results.

2. It's not a reason why we shouldn't, but the reasoning you're using for Taly as a potential reason to flip her isn't solid.

[MathBlade]

I have never cared about the reads of my predecessor upon replacing it.

I didn't mean checking reads.

I meant that as scum, you have to check if your predecessor did any claims or softs.

But :shrug:

I was already leaning scum on your slot prior to the rep in

That doesn’t make sense and contradicts your prior post.

As I said I haven’t read anything. That post was linked I liked it and said so.

Why are you trying to manufacture it into something more than what it is?

I'm not sure what you think is a contradiction here. I never thought you cared about Corwin's reads. I thought you did an iso read of Corwin.

I saw you start getting into the thread. You said that you were going to skim vote counts. You said you did a Galron iso read. Then you quoted a post from your own slot from 30 pages ago.

From my pov, it looked like you went Mod iso -> Galron's iso -> Corwinoid's iso. I commented on that. Because, yeah. That seemed like an odd priority if you were town, but I could see scum needing to check for softs/claims.

You are saying that you did not do corwinoid's iso. It was actually that someone else linked the post. I see that CSF linked the post. So, sure. Happy to drop it.

However, that was not the backbone behind my vote on your slot. I had already narrowed who I wanted to vote down to your slot or the toad last night, before you ever repped in.

That was more of a "Here are new thoughts on the slot since the Math rep in"

I still think that it is weird that you saw that, but did not check to see if Frog ever responded. Or to look at Mala for yourself. But instead, said

I find it odd more people are commenting on 1763 than the original contradictor to explain it

Which I really did not like.

And that came on top of me already narrowing down to two people.

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Since I narrowed it down to two people I was interested in, I saw movement happen in Malcolm's direction, and movement happen in Johnny's direction.

I think that both are town, so I decided it was past time for me to stop pussy footing it with my vote, step in to stop those two wagons, and vote one of the two that I was considering. (This should also answer your question on why I said that we were not killing Johnny today)

You’re still inventing more research that I didn’t do to make your point

I plan on catching up once I get time to do so.

You think it’s weird I am reading in real-time but didn’t get a chance to go ISO specific users when I said I hadn’t?

Like your entire argument is just bias you didn’t like my predecessor. Fine whatever. Say that then and let’s figure out where you’re fucked up versus inventing shit that’s clearly bad.

Because the latter which it really feels like you’re doing makes me think you’re scum but at the same time I don’t see scum being that bold to be that bad.

You pushed me immediately when I said hey I am going to catch up.

??

[MathBlade]

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

[Lukewarm]

Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.31

13 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, Malakittens, Lukewarm, T-Bone, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets, Mathblade, RCEnigma, Bell)
7 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, Roden, Cat Scratch Fever)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, Best Bird)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Replacing Klick
Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
Best Bird V/LA
Taly V/LA
Lukewarm V/LA
Mathblade V/LA
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

So three of taly's voters flip town
1 is mason and 1 is klick which is the person I subbed for and know that is town.
any reason why we shouldn't speed lunch taly here?
I'll try to read malcolm and cat

You may have missed that there was a gladiate between Ceph and Taly day 1, which kinda messes with this line of thinking imo

[Bell]

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

Yes

[Bell]

I'm getting stuck in that loop of challenging everything people say that isn't up to snuff.
I'm going to back off Mathblade for now, but my case on them stands.

[Lukewarm]

You pushed me immediately when I said hey I am going to catch up.

??

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

I find it hard to believe that you believe that this is real

I also find it hard to believe that if you were genuinely trying to sort me this game, you would remember that we have already talked about this. And the fact that I was already scum reading Corwin before your rep in, and was already considering starting a push in his direction before his rep out.

[Lukewarm]

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

Yes

My push on him was premeditated. He got me.

After doing some reading, I am narrowed down where I want to move my vote to either Corwinoid and The Toad, but struggling to decided between the two.

Maybe they should just be dueling wagons?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: MathBlade

[MathBlade]

I just can’t remember the order properly

I know a majority of pushes feel like they came there

I need sleep

[Bell]

Aren't all pushes premeditated in forum mafia.

That's cool MB game we'll be here in the morning and you probably won't be dead.

[Lukewarm]

Math: I was wagoned by scum because they saw me as a threat

Luke: that makes no sense based on the time line of the wagon. Like factually wrong.

Math: **furiously looks back at the time line for a way to call Luke scum**

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Bell.
Can you catch me up please?
If Luke's right about Math, it would be most nice if you tell me what is going on.
-Guanine

[Bell]

Math: I was wagoned by scum because they saw me as a threat

Luke: that makes no sense based on the time line of the wagon. Like factually wrong.

Math: **furiously looks back at the time line for a way to call Luke scum**

Math said they were being pushed for X.
Lukewarm went back and found that they posted X after being pushed.
Math found a post that sort of fit what they were saying about X before that point.
But actually that one too was posted after being wagoned.
Mathblade accused Lukewarm of a premeditated push because they got pressured while saying they were catching up earlier in the game during their review of the posts Luke was talking about. Math dropped the previous subject about them forgetting the order of events.

Aside: people's memories are garbage and we tend to sort the pieces in whatever way is most flattering to our egos. This one was a classic example of that, maybe.

[Mislim Bait]

Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.31

13 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, Malakittens, Lukewarm, T-Bone, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets, Mathblade, RCEnigma, Bell)
7 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, Roden, Cat Scratch Fever)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, Best Bird)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Replacing Klick
Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
Best Bird V/LA
Taly V/LA
Lukewarm V/LA
Mathblade V/LA
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

So three of taly's voters flip town
1 is mason and 1 is klick which is the person I subbed for and know that is town.
any reason why we shouldn't speed lunch taly here?
I'll try to read malcolm and cat

You may have missed that there was a gladiate between Ceph and Taly day 1, which kinda messes with this line of thinking imo

thats fair
although from a quick skim of taly's iso.
they didnt have an initial read on ceph before the gladiate and their case against ceph centered around the whole gladiate thing being scum motivated.
This could probably be excused due to it being 1v1 but still a bit of bad look.
will look forward to how they will bounce back today after they were wrong on their reads.

[Mislim Bait]

wtf is wrong with Cytosine and Guanine slot

[MalcolmTucker]

Did C&G's votes count as posts? Taking them out I get just below 100 which feels like it would potentially check out.

[MalcolmTucker]

Oh yeah I forgot I made this during the night:



So during the night I was also taking a look at my original slot owners reads.

Turns out both me and him got wolf vibes from Frog.

Although he TR’ed CSF/Dunn/T-Bone, I however have not arrived there as I see them all as potential wolves.

His main wolf reads though were RCE and Bell.
So I’ll stick with my Bell Wolf Read.

Something I also noticed from reading my previous slot owners ISO is that Malcolm called out my slow owners reads

despite them already claiming they copied most of it from Rad.

So that seems like potential scum motivation from Malcolm on my slot.



Even though Cephrir flipped town I still like the way Rad voted them. Also since my original slot owner town read Rad as well I’ll definitely keep Rad in my Townreads.

Two responses to this:

1. It's a big game, quite possible I can't recall them saying they copied Rad. There's plenty of things I'll have missed or skimmed over.

2. I scumread Rad for part of yesterday anyway so I don't think this is incoherent within my line of thinking. If I see a player playing in a similar way to someone I think is scum, I'm probably going to potentiallt scumread them for it.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

although from a quick skim of taly's iso.
they didnt have an initial read on ceph before the gladiate and their case against ceph centered around the whole gladiate thing being scum motivated.
This could probably be excused due to it being 1v1 but still a bit of bad look.
will look forward to how they will bounce back today after they were wrong on their reads.

I think this is town. I actually had the same thought towards the end of day 1

wtf is wrong with Cytosine and Guanine slot

They claimed to have a posting restriction where they could only post 100 words on day 1, not including signatures and votes presumably

[Bellaphant]

They had a post restriction, although they seemed to have broken it.

Sorry, I shouldn't post at 3am, I briefly forgot masons! It's nice to know that Bella's sleepy gut was on the right track
@taly, you asked about reads. My strongest scum read right now is still Johnny, I think I'm mellowing on bell, I need to see a lot more from best bird. I don't know how I feel about math but I thought his bbt point was at least interesting. My big read shift at the end of yesterday was that t bone was town, it's possible off the hook is too.

I don't know how to read professor drapion - yesterday I was scum with frog, and today their scum reads are weird. I also think the consistent push on CSF is ridiculous, as they are my strongest town read.

The klick replacement is still town. I think dancing puppets is town but their read on klick at the end of yesterday was garbage and looked opportunitistic in places.

[MalcolmTucker]

Reading back some of Rad's posts from later D1 and they feel incredibly scummy.

Lot of their posts toward the end feel indecisive in a way that's quite unnatural, as if they were unsure where to lean. Manage to go from voting Taly, to advocating for no elimination, to then voting out Ceph in a relatively short space of time. The progression doesn't work for me as being from town.

[Bellaphant]

Tbf, are they the only person who did this?

Dunn's hood reports gives me town feels for Malcolm.

[Bellaphant]

Math doesn't feel like he did in our last two games where I was convinced he was town, but I was asked to meta him in one of them and found him inconsistent throughout. It says something about me that I find them an easier town read when they are being adamantly ridiculous.

[MalcolmTucker]

Made the case before that their case on Puppets was really odd - no real reasoning for it and they became very tetchy when questioned here. Tried to deflect by saying I was reading too much into them, very much tried to back off Puppets gradually without suddenly just dropping the read in case doing so appeared too forced.

Not too keen on the way they unvoted Mala in 5821. Again they point out Mala hasn't engaged much despite the complaints about having to catch up and I was at a point in D1 where I'd have agreed Mala was a reasonable compromise wagon. But instead of continuing on this path and trying to force more from Mala, Rad just sort of backs off immediately instead of continuing in their efforts to push the slot, despite also sort of not really rescinding the scumread either?

I think Rad maybe voted Taly when the gladiate first happened because they felt it was the only viable option for scum to pursue, even if getting rid of Ceph could potentially be advantageous. Rad then suddenly unvotes and is baffled at the idea of others wanting to kill Taly - seems they are perhaps positioning themselves as scum who sits off the vote entirely, so either way they don't look suspect when the loser of the gladiate comes back as town (presuming Taly is also town in this scenario). But then the momentum begins to shift to Ceph and it instead becomes conductive for scum to eliminate there instead.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@Bella- Math is p ridiculous this game too! I've seen multiple posts of his that are tantamount to circular reasoning a la "I'm town therefore... <Insert statements>"