LOST (Game Over)

[Dancing Puppets]

I'm like 80% sure Math is town and BBT is scum. Dunn was shot N1. He was the first voter on BBT. Math has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. He's easy to provoke. The other voter on BBT is a mason.

Flipping BBT also completely reveals the gamestate D1.

Will read up later.

~Titus

[Bell]

I'm like 80% sure Math is town and BBT is scum. Dunn was shot N1. He was the first voter on BBT. Math has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. He's easy to provoke. The other voter on BBT is a mason.

Flipping BBT also completely reveals the gamestate D1.

Will read up later.

~Titus

*Puts Titus back into the toy box*
*Takes Pooky out of the toy box*

[Dancing Puppets]

I'm like 80% sure Math is town and BBT is scum. Dunn was shot N1. He was the first voter on BBT. Math has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. He's easy to provoke. The other voter on BBT is a mason.

Flipping BBT also completely reveals the gamestate D1.

Will read up later.

~Titus

So why Dunn > the mason? To confuse us as to which was the factional kill? Because I don’t understand why Dunn > the mason otherwise.

Just occurred to me that IC makes 0 sense here with two mason claims + an FN claim.

So, mods are probably laughing at me.

[Dancing Puppets]

I'm like 80% sure Math is town and BBT is scum. Dunn was shot N1. He was the first voter on BBT. Math has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. He's easy to provoke. The other voter on BBT is a mason.

Flipping BBT also completely reveals the gamestate D1.

Will read up later.

~Titus

*Puts Titus back into the toy box*
*Takes Pooky out of the toy box*

What's the toy box?

[Dancing Puppets]

I'm like 80% sure Math is town and BBT is scum. Dunn was shot N1. He was the first voter on BBT. Math has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. He's easy to provoke. The other voter on BBT is a mason.

Flipping BBT also completely reveals the gamestate D1.

Will read up later.

~Titus

*Puts Titus back into the toy box*
*Takes Pooky out of the toy box*

What's the toy box?

~Titus

[Bell]

Think of it as the opposite of the bat signal.

[Taly]

Johnny

I didn't see a reply to your read on me

Gamma

you change scumreads everything I pay attention to your slot

I don’t think scum!Gamma goes out on such a limb to save you. Also, I explained the Marci alignment-based posting thing. That slot is never scum here.

I'm just confident that I'm pocketed somewhere and the dialogue of me being town among players who were familiar with me D1 was lacking.

So I'm doing a double take of my defenders.

Yeah fair, it’s definitely possible.

am I in or out of the toy box bell

[Bell]

I want to see a Pooky bat signal now.

[Taly]

tf quoteposts are weird

[Bell]

You're out of the toy box.

[Taly]

+ power level increased

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

You pushed me immediately when I said hey I am going to catch up.

??

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

I find it hard to believe that you believe that this is real

I also find it hard to believe that if you were genuinely trying to sort me this game, you would remember that we have already talked about this. And the fact that I was already scum reading Corwin before your rep in, and was already considering starting a push in his direction before his rep out.

Math: I was wagoned by scum because they saw me as a threat

Luke: that makes no sense based on the time line of the wagon. Like factually wrong.

Math: **furiously looks back at the time line for a way to call Luke scum**

Math said they were being pushed for X.
Lukewarm went back and found that they posted X after being pushed.
Math found a post that sort of fit what they were saying about X before that point.
But actually that one too was posted after being wagoned.
Mathblade accused Lukewarm of a premeditated push because they got pressured while saying they were catching up earlier in the game during their review of the posts Luke was talking about. Math dropped the previous subject about them forgetting the order of events.

Aside: people's memories are garbage and we tend to sort the pieces in whatever way is most flattering to our egos. This one was a classic example of that, maybe.

Just to touch back on this I felt like Math's repeated refrain that his day 1 wagon was exclusively based on Corwin being less active, as well as him framing it as scum motivated because of his calls for unification felt like a targeted PR campaign.

Both things were *partly* true (he

was

calling for unification, enough that people would definitely remember that that was a thing that he did), but neither was *fully* true. But as a framing device, makes himself look better / discredits votes on him

My second post was made tongue in cheek, but it did stand out that when I started calling him out for it being less then accurate, and he said he was going to look back

I got the events out of order

Give me a second

The only thing he came back with was a way to call me scum

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

It felt like he wasn't looking back to ground himself and figure out what actually happened, but that he looked back for a new to frame his Day 1 wagon as scum motivated.

That was what I was trying to highlight with 8161.

[Lukewarm]

You pushed me immediately when I said hey I am going to catch up.

??

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

I find it hard to believe that you believe that this is real

I also find it hard to believe that if you were genuinely trying to sort me this game, you would remember that we have already talked about this. And the fact that I was already scum reading Corwin before your rep in, and was already considering starting a push in his direction before his rep out.

To put more words to this:

During Day 1, when asked for scum reads, I was one of 2 scumreads that Math had in post 2616. His reason for scum reading me was my push on him when he repped in.

However, his read on me changed.

I think Luke was misguided town.

Good question here.

I don’t think his illogical pushes were bad faith anymore

Even going so far as to say that he his thoughts about my push on him has shifted.

His presented reads progression on me was:
-He scum read my push on him during his entrance.
-He thought my later posting was townie,(which by the way, I started calling Math town between these two posts) and he now thinks that my early push on him was not in bad faith.

Now, given that that is supposedly the basis for his scum read on me, and he then thought about it more in light of my other posting. Presumably having to weigh what he didn't like about my push against what he did like about my later posting. These posts feel like they cannot be real thoughts. Because he is acting like he just discovered these things about my earlier push, despite my earlier push on him being the basis of his scum read on me day 1.

Spoiler:

I have never cared about the reads of my predecessor upon replacing it.

I didn't mean checking reads.

I meant that as scum, you have to check if your predecessor did any claims or softs.

But :shrug:

I was already leaning scum on your slot prior to the rep in

That doesn’t make sense and contradicts your prior post.

As I said I haven’t read anything. That post was linked I liked it and said so.

Why are you trying to manufacture it into something more than what it is?

I'm not sure what you think is a contradiction here. I never thought you cared about Corwin's reads. I thought you did an iso read of Corwin.

I saw you start getting into the thread. You said that you were going to skim vote counts. You said you did a Galron iso read. Then you quoted a post from your own slot from 30 pages ago.

From my pov, it looked like you went Mod iso -> Galron's iso -> Corwinoid's iso. I commented on that. Because, yeah. That seemed like an odd priority if you were town, but I could see scum needing to check for softs/claims.

You are saying that you did not do corwinoid's iso. It was actually that someone else linked the post. I see that CSF linked the post. So, sure. Happy to drop it.

However, that was not the backbone behind my vote on your slot. I had already narrowed who I wanted to vote down to your slot or the toad last night, before you ever repped in.

That was more of a "Here are new thoughts on the slot since the Math rep in"

I still think that it is weird that you saw that, but did not check to see if Frog ever responded. Or to look at Mala for yourself. But instead, said

I find it odd more people are commenting on 1763 than the original contradictor to explain it

Which I really did not like.

And that came on top of me already narrowing down to two people.

---

Since I narrowed it down to two people I was interested in, I saw movement happen in Malcolm's direction, and movement happen in Johnny's direction.

I think that both are town, so I decided it was past time for me to stop pussy footing it with my vote, step in to stop those two wagons, and vote one of the two that I was considering. (This should also answer your question on why I said that we were not killing Johnny today)

You’re still inventing more research that I didn’t do to make your point

I plan on catching up once I get time to do so.

You think it’s weird I am reading in real-time but didn’t get a chance to go ISO specific users when I said I hadn’t?

Like your entire argument is just bias you didn’t like my predecessor. Fine whatever. Say that then and let’s figure out where you’re fucked up versus inventing shit that’s clearly bad.

Because the latter which it really feels like you’re doing makes me think you’re scum but at the same time I don’t see scum being that bold to be that bad.

You pushed me immediately when I said hey I am going to catch up.

??

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

[Lukewarm]

I am interested in VCA from Titus given our three flips.

[Dancing Puppets]

I am interested in VCA from Titus given our three flips.

Flip BBT is my initial look. Check my posts for today.

~Titus

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I want to see a Pooky bat signal now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm like 80% sure Math is town and BBT is scum. Dunn was shot N1. He was the first voter on BBT. Math has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. He's easy to provoke. The other voter on BBT is a mason.

Flipping BBT also completely reveals the gamestate D1.

Will read up later.

~Titus

You're like 100% wrong on me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I am interested in VCA from Titus given our three flips.

Flip BBT is my initial look. Check my posts for today.

~Titus

Tell me more about this

[Lukewarm]

I am interested in VCA from Titus given our three flips.

Flip BBT is my initial look. Check my posts for today.

~Titus

Oh.

I was hoping you had more specifics because I remember you saying that both Frog and Ceph would be valuable flips for VCA. So, when I saw that frog had flipped in addition to ceph, I was wondering what you got from it.

[Dancing Puppets]

I am interested in VCA from Titus given our three flips.

Flip BBT is my initial look. Check my posts for today.

~Titus

Tell me more about this

If I am wrong on you, then we have deep wolves dividing the game and three town wagoned for no reason D1. The kill on Dunn makes little sense if you're not scum.

The push on Math is easy. While he could be scum, it's awfully convienent for scum to push the sick guy who votes them. Doubly so when it's Math.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

I am interested in VCA from Titus given our three flips.

Flip BBT is my initial look. Check my posts for today.

~Titus

Oh.

I was hoping you had more specifics because I remember you saying that both Frog and Ceph would be valuable flips for VCA. So, when I saw that frog had flipped in addition to ceph, I was wondering what you got from it.

I'll do more detail later but not today.

[Dancing Puppets]

I don’t agree with Titus. I however think Math and BBT are probably unaligned.

[Lukewarm]

I'm like 80% sure

Math is town and BBT is scum. Dunn was shot N1. He was the first voter on BBT. Math has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. He's easy to provoke. The other voter on BBT is a mason.

Flipping BBT also completely reveals the gamestate D1.

Will read up later.

~Titus

You're like 100% wrong

on me.

If you are town, then that makes titus only 80% wrong on you

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well, you're wrong on me and your push is awful. You're saying it's unlikely that in a 26 player game, 21 of which are town, that we would have 3 D1 wagons on town? Like, the wagons on 6 or 7 votes are pretty much meaningless given they're barely 50% of the way to a lim. I don't see what you're getting at at all? The kill on a Mason makes little sense does it? Your NKA is just as bad as your VCA.

Why is the Math push easy and why does easy = town? As if Math being sick has absolutely anything to do with the vote, let's not get silly here.

[Dancing Puppets]

I am interested in VCA from Titus given our three flips.

Flip BBT is my initial look. Check my posts for today.

~Titus

Tell me more about this

If I am wrong on you, then we have deep wolves dividing the game and three town wagoned for no reason D1. The kill on Dunn makes little sense if you're not scum.

The push on Math is easy. While he could be scum, it's awfully convienent for scum to push the sick guy who votes them. Doubly so when it's Math.

~Titus

Idk whether he is or not. Main thing that pinged me was Enchant’s Taly vote.

VOTE: Enchant

So I’m going to do this for now.