LOST (Game Over)

[MalcolmTucker]

Presuming Taly is town here though

Why are we doing this?

It was in my hypothetical scenario, but I do TR Taly.

[Best Bird]

Presuming Taly is town here though

Why are we doing this?

It was in my hypothetical scenario, but I do TR Taly.

ok - but why? you were on the taly wagon yesterday, no?

[Off The Hook]

Presuming Taly is town here though, wouldn't scum Enchant be more inclined to vote on either wagon? Easy cover if they vote for someone who is eliminated and comes back town given the gladiate thing. I know Enchant likes to hammer though.

Idk but for someone who was pushing a lim so hard, you think he would have voted someone but it’s making me wonder that he votes Taly right after CSF votes Math.

So, if STD doesn’t confirm him as IC, he could possibly be scum here, especially if Math is, because that Taly vote looked hella suss to me.

It’s possible you could be right though but if Math is scum here, Enchant definitely looks worse for that Taly vote.

eh, not quite true, I did think no lim was solid for a time but after I realized Cephrir should have left Taly out of gladiation options entirely, I stopped caring if he lived or died. At that point, I determined he was not playing a sensible game and would be a liability. To further this point, when he was polling people for gladiation, he put you in his options despite there being no wagon on you at all up to that point. So it was never about town cohesion for him, it was about getting his way.

~GE

[Off The Hook]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13449665

@Math, I’m really sorry you have Covid but how do you account for sounding so differently in Terminator and this game, which you were playing simultaneously?

idk about terminator but Math did post 1 thing that resembles him in PYP, so I'm not set on math being scum

~GE

[MalcolmTucker]

Well, you're wrong on me and your push is awful. You're saying it's unlikely that in a 26 player game, 21 of which are town, that we would have 3 D1 wagons on town? Like, the wagons on 6 or 7 votes are pretty much meaningless given they're barely 50% of the way to a lim. I don't see what you're getting at at all? The kill on a Mason makes little sense does it? Your NKA is just as bad as your VCA.

Why is the Math push easy and why does easy = town? As if Math being sick has absolutely anything to do with the vote, let's not get silly here.

I don't necessarily agree that the Math push is "easy" but can understand the logic that it feels like the most common/repeated suggestion that's been coming up since shortly after they replaced into the game, and if Math comes back town then it's definitely a useful slot for scum to push. All that being said I don't think it necessarily detracts from the overall argument that there's a reasonable chance of them being scum.

[Off The Hook]

Johnny

I didn't see a reply to your read on me

Gamma

you change scumreads everything I pay attention to your slot

Any posts that aren't tagged "~GE" are Marci
Does that clear anything up? If not, I can walk you through my recent thought process.

~GE

[MalcolmTucker]

Presuming Taly is town here though

Why are we doing this?

It was in my hypothetical scenario, but I do TR Taly.

ok - but why? you were on the taly wagon yesterday, no?

Because it was a gladiate. We had to vote out Ceph or Taly. I didn't want no lim, and fundamentally didn't believe in the end that scum Ceph would have risked gladiating Taly D1 when they were unlikely to be voted out anyway. I had my doubts and understand why other people felt it could be a scum gambit but didn't think it was worth the risk in the end. I'd also TR'd Ceph for a while before the gladiate anyway, so was in a position where I'd have to vote for someone I didn't really think was scum.

[Dancing Puppets]

If you are town, you should scumread Enchant and possibly Bella as their votes kept the conversation on TvT wagons.

~Titus

What is this in reference to?

Your wagon and gamestate.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Presuming Taly is town here though, wouldn't scum Enchant be more inclined to vote on either wagon? Easy cover if they vote for someone who is eliminated and comes back town given the gladiate thing. I know Enchant likes to hammer though.

Idk but for someone who was pushing a lim so hard, you think he would have voted someone but it’s making me wonder that he votes Taly right after CSF votes Math.

So, if STD doesn’t confirm him as IC, he could possibly be scum here, especially if Math is, because that Taly vote looked hella suss to me.

It’s possible you could be right though but if Math is scum here, Enchant definitely looks worse for that Taly vote.

eh, not quite true, I did think no lim was solid for a time but after I realized Cephrir should have left Taly out of gladiation options entirely, I stopped caring if he lived or died. At that point, I determined he was not playing a sensible game and would be a liability. To further this point, when he was polling people for gladiation, he put you in his options despite there being no wagon on you at all up to that point. So it was never about town cohesion for him, it was about getting his way.

~GE

I still thought he was town from the gladiate.

[Dancing Puppets]

Titus is a huge proponent of VCA and I’m not convinced you’re town here based on your play during Deputy Cultists where you were town, so I could easily switch our vote back.

You’re one the slots I’m not currently tr.

As am I. The problem with Titus' VCA is that it's extremely basic. Like, level 0 analysis. 'Two wagons were town therefore 3rd wagon is scum'. That's horrific.

You really shouldn't use meta to read me.

It's not lockscum but I have no reason to TR you. Gamestate says you're scum. The other VCA person agrees with this analysis.

If you hate my initial one, where's yours?

~Titus

[Off The Hook]

Johnny

I didn't see a reply to your read on me

Gamma

you change scumreads everything I pay attention to your slot

I don’t think scum!Gamma goes out on such a limb to save you. Also, I explained the Marci alignment-based posting thing. That slot is never scum here.

Why don't you think I go that far? I feel like I have done somewhat similar in a

certain

game. There are some minute details that diverge but idk if this read is a general one or more particular to my actions here.

~GE

[Dancing Puppets]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13449665

@Math, I’m really sorry you have Covid but how do you account for sounding so differently in Terminator and this game, which you were playing simultaneously?

idk about terminator but Math did post 1 thing that resembles him in PYP, so I'm not set on math being scum

~GE

Which was?

[Off The Hook]

Willing to go enchant. Less likely with math

Still agree with gamma hydra town.

Bbl

I sent a pm to the mods wrt to his IC claim, still waiting on an answer.

Why do you tr Math?

why would you send the mod a PM? Did you think that post was enchant opting to reveal?

~GE

[Dancing Puppets]

Johnny

I didn't see a reply to your read on me

Gamma

you change scumreads everything I pay attention to your slot

I don’t think scum!Gamma goes out on such a limb to save you. Also, I explained the Marci alignment-based posting thing. That slot is never scum here.

Why don't you think I go that far? I feel like I have done somewhat similar in a

certain

game. There are some minute details that diverge but idk if this read is a general one or more particular to my actions here.

~GE

Well I don’t recall scum!you doing that? but you did sound extremely earnest about saving Taly and it read extremely genuine to me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your wagon and gamestate.

~Titus

Can you link posts or something?

[Best Bird]

Because it was a gladiate. We had to vote out Ceph or Taly. I didn't want no lim, and fundamentally didn't believe in the end that scum Ceph would have risked gladiating Taly D1 when they were unlikely to be voted out anyway. I had my doubts and understand why other people felt it could be a scum gambit but didn't think it was worth the risk in the end. I'd also TR'd Ceph for a while before the gladiate anyway, so was in a position where I'd have to vote for someone I didn't really think was scum.

ok - that explains why you were on wagon, but why are you tr'ing taly?

[Off The Hook]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13449665

@Math, I’m really sorry you have Covid but how do you account for sounding so differently in Terminator and this game, which you were playing simultaneously?

idk about terminator but Math did post 1 thing that resembles him in PYP, so I'm not set on math being scum

~GE

Which was?

his read flip on Taly
while I think scum probably wanted Taly in the gladiate and wanted to try to get Taly dead, Math's execution of it was so transparently awful that it seems off. He did the same thing when flipping his opinion on me in PYP from "she hasn't towntold" to "she hasn't scumtold"

~GE

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's not lockscum but I have no reason to TR you. Gamestate says you're scum. The other VCA person agrees with this analysis.

If you hate my initial one, where's yours?

~Titus

Tell me more about how the gamestate makes me scum. And I don't mean keep using generic, vague statements that include buzzwords.

I mean the nitty gritty.

[Off The Hook]

You guys are absolute suckers for taking Enchant's IC claim even semi-seriously.

Yeah STD would have already confirmed it if real.

Enchant was really super townie in Terminator, so could well be scum here.

good to see Nancy also on board the Enchant!scum idea, shows it's probably correct.

~GE

[MalcolmTucker]

Because it was a gladiate. We had to vote out Ceph or Taly. I didn't want no lim, and fundamentally didn't believe in the end that scum Ceph would have risked gladiating Taly D1 when they were unlikely to be voted out anyway. I had my doubts and understand why other people felt it could be a scum gambit but didn't think it was worth the risk in the end. I'd also TR'd Ceph for a while before the gladiate anyway, so was in a position where I'd have to vote for someone I didn't really think was scum.

ok - that explains why you were on wagon, but why are you tr'ing taly?

I feel like their posts have been pretty good/reasonable on the whole - keen to solve the game but not particularly pursuing things with a deliberate or manipulative agenda, and active and engaging when pushed or pressed.

I also thought they responded to the gladiate pretty reasonably given the circumstances. Given the surprising nature of it I could see scum flailing around a lot more there and growing much more desperate to remain in the game.

[Dancing Puppets]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13449665

@Math, I’m really sorry you have Covid but how do you account for sounding so differently in Terminator and this game, which you were playing simultaneously?

idk about terminator but Math did post 1 thing that resembles him in PYP, so I'm not set on math being scum

~GE

Which was?

his read flip on Taly
while I think scum probably wanted Taly in the gladiate and wanted to try to get Taly dead, Math's execution of it was so transparently awful that it seems off. He did the same thing when flipping his opinion on me in PYP from "she hasn't towntold" to "she hasn't scumtold"

~GE

Maybe? I think it was more extreme in PYP though but not sheeping any scumreads today, since Frog was town.

[Off The Hook]

i dont agree with gammas opinions

they suck

[Dancing Puppets]

You guys are absolute suckers for taking Enchant's IC claim even semi-seriously.

Yeah STD would have already confirmed it if real.

Enchant was really super townie in Terminator, so could well be scum here.

good to see Nancy also on board the Enchant!scum idea, shows it's probably correct.

~GE

You seem to be pretty good at reading him, so this gives me more confidence.

He sounds similar to both PYP and Chromavalon here I think.

[Off The Hook]

If Titus wants to switch our vote back, I’m not opposed. I just really hated Enchant’s Taly vote.

I’m okay with Enchant/Math/BBT but Titus thinks Math could be town, so idk. I really didn’t like BBT’s reaction to my voting Enchant, since I don’t see anything remotely suss about my vote.

My reaction to you voting Enchant? My reaction was nothing to do with that and everything to do with your slot making an awful push on me and then just trying to sidestep it.

We are a freaking hydra, so you can get reckt!

BBT is a mafiascum boomer, read his sig!

~GE

[Dancing Puppets]

i dont agree with gammas opinions

they suck

Wow and I thought our hydra had the most dissonance here but I think you guys just won that.

Which opinions do you disagree with?