Large Normal 240: Baileyposting [game over]

[Datisi]

vote count 2.04

with 15 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-07-27 13:15:00).

yeet

Fredrick A Campbell [5]:

Crescent, Prince of Paterson, bugspray, Firebringer, Enchant

Unsure [3]:

Greeting, Vivax, Lowell

MalcolmTucker [2]:

Unsure, Andante

Firebringer [2]:

Fredrick A Campbell, geraintm

not voting [3]:

MalcolmTucker, Malakittens, UNOwen

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[Crescent]

Gooooood morning scum butts.

I am going to sleep, but I will catch up soonish!

Xoxo

Cat naps <3

I'm a kitty too. I'm cute and cuddly and princessy and stuff <3

[Greeting]

Hey,

Mala

! You're in luck, because you have until Day 3 to produce content, otherwise I will be voting to eliminate you out as a policy (as I would have had Dwlee99 not been replaced).

xoxo

[UNOwen]

VOTE: Fred

A player in Fred's position shouldn't be handing out town reads so easily.

[geraintm]

Fred's post was 893 with their vote for Fred. It had zero backing to it, it came from nowhere like it was trying to start a wagon.
Fire's vote which tipped me over the edge on them was 939.

I was 90% aware the wagon on Fred was not going to go anywhere, butbi felt I needed to back up my total dislike of them with a vote, I have often said thoughts and opinions without votes don't count

[Crescent]

Hey,

Mala

! You're in luck, because you have until Day 3 to produce content, otherwise I will be voting to eliminate you out as a policy (as I would have had Dwlee99 not been replaced).

xoxo

This is kinda why I took immediate exception to Fred townclearing them for "solving". DWlee was so inactive and useless that multiple people probably had sentiment like this. It really gave me the impression he's not really reading the game while giving out these reads.

[Lowell]

Happy to vote fred if that's what we're doing. Anything that makes this go faster.

[Vivax]

This is a service announcement:
Be afraid mafia, be very afraid and always put the carrot on the nose.

[Andante]

I'll be around tomorrow probably, I'm not opposed to a fred lim

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 997

Actually Lowell I'm only townreading for not having a gun, which is a worse reason than my reason for townreading FancyPants' and Unsure.

FWIW I'm not arguing I'm cleared for all time forever, I'm saying taking my lack of gun and contorting oneself into thinking I'm scum is a suspicious play. It's a scum move trying to eliminate a quasi-cleared person and not wanting to take responsibility for it. Town reaction to bugs' claim would be "cool, okay, that's two people I don't have to worry about today at least"

If you are implying I am trying to get you executed, I'm not. I am literally giving that as my reason for townleaning you.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: 1003

VOTE: Fred

A player in Fred's position shouldn't be handing out town reads so easily.

So, your reason for voting me is because I shouldn't townread players.

You don't think I'm mafia?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: 1006

Happy to vote fred if that's what we're doing. Anything that makes this go faster.

Since it appears 2 players not already voting me would willingly help to execute me, you could talk about day 3 while waiting. Meanwhile I'll pop in if I observe anything notable.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 1005

Hey,

Mala

! You're in luck, because you have until Day 3 to produce content, otherwise I will be voting to eliminate you out as a policy (as I would have had Dwlee99 not been replaced).

xoxo

This is kinda why I took immediate exception to Fred townclearing them for "solving". DWlee was so inactive and useless that multiple people probably had sentiment like this. It really gave me the impression he's not really reading the game while giving out these reads.

I would like this to be very clear. That is no longer the only reason I have to townread Dwlee99. See post 981

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Crescent, if you really think I am mafia, why aren't you trying to figure out which players are mafia with me?

[Prince of Paterson]

Was starting to doubt Fredrick scum a little bit after reading some of his past games, but his latest posts have made me feel more confident again. 1013 is a very weak gotcha attempt on someone that he has previously had as one of his strongest townreads. Or, at least, one of his most talked-about townreads. Which, incidentally, is another thing I have an issue with: he very rarely ever differentiates between the strength levels of his reads in the way that I would expect a town player to do. There's no nuance or higher-level thinking, he simply notes down a basic reason like "solving" and then puts them in the list of his townreads with everyone else.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler: post 1014

Was starting to doubt Fredrick scum a little bit after reading some of his past games, but his latest posts have made me feel more confident again. 1013 is a very weak gotcha attempt on someone that he has previously had as one of his strongest townreads. Or, at least, one of his most talked-about townreads. Which, incidentally, is another thing I have an issue with: he very rarely ever differentiates between the strength levels of his reads in the way that I would expect a town player to do. There's no nuance or higher-level thinking, he simply notes down a basic reason like "solving" and then puts them in the list of his townreads with everyone else.

My reads are at different levels of confidence. I was forcing them to snap into either extreme in my notes and I've lost the nuance that I had on day 1. I should correct that.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I actually noticed this deficiency about an hour ago. My townreads, upon revision, are all at low confidence and shouldn't have been treated as very likely town.

[Prince of Paterson]

If you're town, then going into more detail about which reads are your strongest, and why, would be useful.

[Crescent]

Was starting to doubt Fredrick scum a little bit after reading some of his past games, but his latest posts have made me feel more confident again. 1013 is a very weak gotcha attempt on someone that he has previously had as one of his strongest townreads. Or, at least, one of his most talked-about townreads. Which, incidentally, is another thing I have an issue with: he very rarely ever differentiates between the strength levels of his reads in the way that I would expect a town player to do. There's no nuance or higher-level thinking, he simply notes down a basic reason like "solving" and then puts them in the list of his townreads with everyone else.

I specifically called him out like... 24+ hours ago that his logic for calling me town only made sense if he's scum. It's like he's only now acknowledging it.

But to frame it that way completely ignores that I started this day with a POE that included MT, Unsure, and yourself. It also ignores that I've pursued lines of inquiry against both MT and Unsure today. MT I have softened on some, because I don't believe scum in his position is in any rush to try to clear Lowell. It fits in with my earlier criticism of the read on DWLee - I don't think he's actually reading the game. He's just picking out singular spots and making blanket mindless statements based on them. Nothing he does gives me any sense that he is actually trying to "solve" the game.

But yeah I don't see you and Fred being scum together at this point.

On an interesting note, two of the only people he's not blanket "townreading" are two people who have gradually eroded in my eyes today - Fire and Enchant. I feel like neither player has contributed much of anything to the game today, and they came out of their personal exchange both looking worse. If I had to bet, there's exactly one scum in the tiny list of people he's refusing to arbitrarily clear. This obviously isn't anything based on actual logic though - Just intuition.

Imma probably die tonight after we get a red flip from Fred anyway so might as well get the thought out there.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Crescent probably is still the strongest because of the number of posts. Thing is, that strongest townread is still really weak in my estimate.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I also thought that Crescent, if Mafia, would know I flip green and wouldn't literally lock a player she knows to be town as mafia.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Also thought that is WIFOM

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Maybe the way to think of this is it is either Crescent is mafia and pretending to lock me as mafia or Crescent is town genuinely locking me as mafia.

Then I look through her posts, and see which is more likely in my estimate.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

And maybe I should really start making my notes about this dynamic

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I'll also be honest, I was kind of not minding getting executed as I do have exams to prepare for. The exams are at the start of August, so I do have some time. Guess I'll just have to see how I manage my time.

I'll, maybe go do what I should obviously be doing for a few hours before I come back.