LOST (Game Over)

[T-Bone]

3 or 4 players? It was me and Luke, and when you explained it better I got it and didn't push back further. I can't speak for Luke but I feel like that's an accurate representation of what happened here.

There was you two, but I also included BBT for misrepresenting the case against him, and it looked like Bell was winding up some BS push on us based on the last page’s quote wall that Bell put together.

~GE

This was more to what I was referring to when I said I feel your frustration is real.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

@RAD

Why did you think that Dunn was a Paranoid Gun owner?

So when you and Dunn had this back and forth about soft outting his role to you, he said:

I am going to attempt to soft my role to Lukewarm. This should be fairly cryptic but not impossible to figure out.

"...but it's what you are going to get."

And I sat on that line for a while trying to come up with what the rest of the line was. Back when I used to play, we had a role called Veteran, so I pictured a vet sitting in his rocking chair and as the scum walk into his door, he shoots them saying something like "this may not be what you were looking for, but it's what you are going to get." BOOM.

This fit fairly well for me with his other statement here:

Is it a role that is confirmable or extremely useful and you would not recommend killing in any capacity D1 Dunn.

Confirmable: yes
Extremely useful: no
Would not recommend killing day 1: yes

Confirmable - yeah he's going to kill scum when they come try to NK him. Also I had the thought that it could be a vet with both a day kill and night kill option.
Extremely Useful - depends on if scum comes to kill him, maybe he says No because scum probably won't try it.
Would not recommend killing day 1 - yes, let the scum try to come kill him

Confirmable: yes

This shit better confirm

UNVOTE:

I sure hope I don't get roleblocked

This post also felt like more confirmation, like he was trying to bait scum into roleblocking him (which in my understanding, the vet/pgo should fire first before the roleblock? no clue if that's actually how that would play out)

All that said, I didn't even know a "friendly neighbor" role existed so it wasn't in the realm of role possibilities I was considering when I was trying to figure out what he was soft claiming.

Okay.

Because when I followed his soft to me, I thought about both Vigilante and PGO as making sense as what he was trying to tell me. So, seeing you come to that conclusion made me wonder if you had followed the same path I did. Guess not.

Although, I kinda discounted those options because I did not think that they made sense with 4898. imo, you don't call PGO confirmable, and you don't call Vig low power. (Also, doubt he ever plays day 1 the way he did as a vig)

And also PGO does not make sense with the deaths anyways[/quote]

Yeah right because a PGO would mean scum no killed, so we’re back to confirmable, very likely FN.

[Dancing Puppets]

3 or 4 players? It was me and Luke, and when you explained it better I got it and didn't push back further. I can't speak for Luke but I feel like that's an accurate representation of what happened here.

There was you two, but I also included BBT for misrepresenting the case against him, and it looked like Bell was winding up some BS push on us based on the last page’s quote wall that Bell put together.

~GE

This was more to what I was referring to when I said I feel your frustration is real.

So why are you voting them then?

[Cytosine and Guanine]

In what way? What puzzle are we solving that is aided by knowing Dunnstral's role?
~Cytosine

Dude knowing anyones role can give us info.
Like lol?
Why do you think Frog had the Rolecop role?

A town rolecop can verify and check claims that have been made, but that information is only useful while the target in question is still alive. Again, I am asking why it is so important to know a

dead

townie's role this early in the game. Information is only useful if you can draw meaningful conclusions from it, and my argument is that the conclusions one can draw from knowing Dunnstral's role is basically nil.
~Cytosine

[JohnnyFarrar]

We also have nothing to lose? Like I don't understand the pushback

[Cytosine and Guanine]

You can't as if being wrong is wolfy, I think I justified myself very clearly on why I did what I did.

I took issue with the way you approached end of day 1, not with whatever particular reads you had day 1.

There's 5 scum
Surely scum would keep a log of who claims what

In my experience, this is rarer than you would think.

"We don't know who the scum are so we don't know how they were feeling" -Mathblade.
"The scum team are quiet because all of the loud people are dead (Luke, Bell, Pooky, Nancy are not loud apparently??) - Also mathblade.

This isn't really contradictory. Just because one does not

know

why something is a case doesn't mean one cannot make educated conjectures.

We also have nothing to lose? Like I don't understand the pushback

The pushback is that I think it is a waste of time, energy, and thread space.
~Cytosine

[Off The Hook]

3 or 4 players? It was me and Luke, and when you explained it better I got it and didn't push back further. I can't speak for Luke but I feel like that's an accurate representation of what happened here.

I meant to ask this earlier and got sidetracked: if you got what I was saying, what was 8568?

~GE

[T-Bone]

A question I was hoping you'd answer. I wanted to know what you were thinking.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

In what way? What puzzle are we solving that is aided by knowing Dunnstral's role?
~Cytosine

Is this Ircher? Or RH9?

[Off The Hook]

Nancy would want veto power in order to ensure no funny business happened after she died; at least that was the theory, given her continued insistence Bell is town that is illogical.

~GE

[Cat Scratch Fever]

That ending comes off more aggressive than I intend. I just think a lot of people are dumb telling and it’s grinding on me a bit.

Who? Name and shame!

What i miss

Why is Taly scum?

[Off The Hook]

How do you feel about Mathblade BBT.

Math can be scum.

I didn't like Corwin's original read on me as default scum and I don't like Math's push on me Today at all. I'm sure he was another who tried to frame the night actions as pointing to scum!BBT

Do you wanna bet?

~GE

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think Off the Hook is town - I think there's some merit to Gamma's BBT push.

I dislike T-Bone's vote on Off the Hook. Aside from 8455, which was probably a joke, I feel like you're avoiding giving a read on BBT and commenting on that wagon.

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I also realized Luke already said what I last said to Johnny, oops sorry about that, that's probably annoying. Though one thing I did want to add was:

Rad - Strikes me as paranoid, might not have landed on FN
Drapion - had been admonished by Dunn several times for clogging up the thread

Since there's 5 scum, I think it's unlikely that Rad would be the one dictating the NKs in any scumteam in this list, given their relative inexperience.

Why would have Drapion felt threatened by Dunn telling him not to clog up the thread? It's not a scumread per se

Can you also talk a bit about BBT, since you didn't want to vote there?

[Off The Hook]

And to be clear Gamma.

I accept exactly Zero (0) vetoes from Nancy.

So, it really confuses me to see you say that Bell, if town, should be willing to accept More Then One (>1) Veto for nancy, or conversely, you see scum motivation behind being unwilling to accept multiple from her.

I don't think town!Bell should have accepted a veto
I'm saying scum!Bell only accepting the 1 veto serves a long-term purpose of limiting DP's ability to interfere. No more, no less. I'm getting really fucking tired of you assclowns misrepresenting my arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude....

btw my thought on this was:

think there might be a reason

Bell doesn't want to

allow you more than one veto?

ik you think Bell is town but I feel like his play very well serves a possible scum agenda.

~GE

This wording implies, that not wanting "more than one veto" was the thing that you were questioning.

If that is not what you meant, then feel free to reword.

But all I can go off of is what you said.

And what you said was that not allowing "more than one veto" serves a scum agenda.

Let’s break this down a little better.
Here’s my concept of a town!Bell thought process seeing Nancy ask for a veto:
“I respect Nancy’s reads enough that her going to this extent in Taly’s defense sways me”
OR
“I don’t think Nancy has the strong read rate on certain slots as she says, so I want to stick to my guns”

Here’s my concept of a scum!Bell thought process:
“I want to get Taly miselimmed, but I think giving up one miselim to push several more with less resistance would be of long-term value”

does it make more sense now?

~GE

[JohnnyFarrar]

Since there's 5 scum, I think it's unlikely that Rad would be the one dictating the NKs in any scumteam in this list, given their relative inexperience.

I don't disagree, but we live in a thread where it's entirely possible that Rad is the most active scum

[Enchant]

That ending comes off more aggressive than I intend. I just think a lot of people are dumb telling and it’s grinding on me a bit.

Who? Name and shame!

What i miss

Why is Taly scum?

Where i said Taly is mafia?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Why would have Drapion felt threatened by Dunn telling him not to clog up the thread? It's not a scumread per se

It's still negative attention, and I daresay the closer Dunn got to confirmed status the worse that would've looked

[Bell]

I feel bad for Gamma if they're town because they're wasting their time on an incorrect read.

[Rad]

DP has accidentally drawn my attention to the following

I've hardcore skimmed the last however many pages and read MathBlade's ISO, and he just looks lost to me. Can you explain what were DNA's reads, and what are yours - I remember Bell and ...? Summarize the hood discussion for us plz, that might help me see why you're townreading DNA. Also how caught up are you

Is Klick still town? What's the VC? I don't know anything anymore

I already established that I only share reads with consent.

I don’t just announce things without permission especially while one head is catching up.

G head thinks that Bell is back null because their acting better but votes are weird.

Frog is erratic (their word)

Klick is null

I don’t know which reads I can and can’t share because they didn’t want certain reads shared

why did you expect the masons to share their reads & summarize their discussion if you don't agree that doing so is good play?

& P.S. did you ever try to secure their permission to summarize your discussion?

I think sharing things is good play.

I also believe in affirmative consent.

They said not to share some reads. So I abide by that.

I expect them to share what and if they’re capable of sharing when they do so when they consent to.

I think this is worth revisiting.

@C&G can you help us understand why you requested math to not share some of your reads? Anything in particular that you requested he not share?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Can you also talk a bit about BBT, since you didn't want to vote there?

Bbt is a rough read and I've never played with them, but they also don't have many defenders. Seems like lhf

[Cat Scratch Fever]

That ending comes off more aggressive than I intend. I just think a lot of people are dumb telling and it’s grinding on me a bit.

Who? Name and shame!

What i miss

Why is Taly scum?

Where i said Taly is mafia?

You're voting Taly?????

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Since there's 5 scum, I think it's unlikely that Rad would be the one dictating the NKs in any scumteam in this list, given their relative inexperience.

I don't disagree, but we live in a thread where it's entirely possible that Rad is the most active scum

That's actually fair

[Off The Hook]

it feels like this push on math is scum motivated.

i think everyone was content to just shade corwin before, (sort of like how johnnys being treated) but now that mathblades repped in it feels like people are like "oh shit"

wake up please everybody, you just keep letting johnny slide by unchecked.
this is an obv move to save johnny imo

Overall I think cephrir seems town
He’s doing a bit more interesting stuff than I think he would as scum

~GE

VOTE: taly
im not really confident taly would be scum, i think theyve been trying their hardest. but we need an elim for info and i think it doesnt make sense for cephiriridiidiriri as scum to do this shit cuz if we landed on him instead of taly he basically did it to himself and scum dont want that sort of shit

I’m gonna have to accelerate to the part where I ISO Taly vs. doing the other ones I have from the main requests

~GE

that said tho

GUYS I LOWKEY FEEL SO BAD FOR TALY I JUST THINK THEYRE DISMOTIVATED TOWN NOW FHJEISIS

I also get no sense Taly is scum from his ISO so I’m at the very least baffled by the fact he was SR so much
Seems like he legitimately did get FoSed for lesser thread presence given his thoughts seem insightful, he just probably didn’t get to speak up as often and his voice got drowned out

~GE

it is just neighbor and i don't think that's an insignificant role.

This tracks with prior position Taly has held if anyone was wondering

~GE

Why is Taly town?

Because he’s actually trying to exert influence over the game vs. hoping to ride out the insane activity level

~GE

im better read post-D1.

Cephrir’s Taly gladiate is absolute dogshit given this

~GE

Has Taly claimed?

Neighbor with you???

I’m like 99% on Bell being scum here

~GE

Technically, couldn't we just not vote and let the time run out?

I wish we could vote on skipping a day or something?

Dude are you crazy?

Why is that crazy?

*takes Rad aside*
Between eliminating someone day 1 and not eliminating someone day 1 which one do you think benefits town the most?

Yup this is scum. I just hit 100% confidence on this read. Shea’s Among Us 100% contradicts this PoV.

~GE

Chances are we elim a town today. Why is it crazy to skip? Explain to me with logic.

You have to sacrifice the lamb

This is such a dogshit scum post. Like it’s not even fucking subtle!

~GE

I find it wild that the counter argument to townreads on Taly is “we have to vote SOMEONE”

~GE

Yup this is scum. I just hit 100% confidence on this read. Shea’s Among Us 100% contradicts this PoV.

~GE

What does this mean?

Town FUCKING DOMINATED a game where a no yeet happened Day 1. Bell was scum in that game too. I’m betting that game is in his memory and is why he’s against abstaining here!

~GE

VOTE: no lim

Was the timing of cephrir's gladiator coincided with saving frogs from being eliminated? Cause if so they could be partners

It effectively saved Frogster, Mala, Dunn, Johnny (I think those four had the most votes)

good to get this cleared up, I had asked who the wagons were earlier
btw was ceph a wagon at the time? I don't believe he was and my gears are turning on a certain thought

~GE

You voted Taly,
then iso'd them.
Then changed your mind.
and cased them on speculation while also shading a bunch of town in the middle of all of it.

I'd say that's suspicious, but it's par for the course for GE tbh.

I want to chew you out for this but I’d probably get banned for what I want to say.
You do realize MARCI voted Taly? With very minimal exception, I have faithfully tagged all of my posts. HOW ARE YOU FUCKING IT UP?

~GE

[Off The Hook]

it feels like this push on math is scum motivated.

i think everyone was content to just shade corwin before, (sort of like how johnnys being treated) but now that mathblades repped in it feels like people are like "oh shit"

wake up please everybody, you just keep letting johnny slide by unchecked.
this is an obv move to save johnny imo

Overall I think cephrir seems town
He’s doing a bit more interesting stuff than I think he would as scum

~GE

VOTE: taly
im not really confident taly would be scum, i think theyve been trying their hardest. but we need an elim for info and i think it doesnt make sense for cephiriridiidiriri as scum to do this shit cuz if we landed on him instead of taly he basically did it to himself and scum dont want that sort of shit

I’m gonna have to accelerate to the part where I ISO Taly vs. doing the other ones I have from the main requests

~GE

that said tho

GUYS I LOWKEY FEEL SO BAD FOR TALY I JUST THINK THEYRE DISMOTIVATED TOWN NOW FHJEISIS

I also get no sense Taly is scum from his ISO so I’m at the very least baffled by the fact he was SR so much
Seems like he legitimately did get FoSed for lesser thread presence given his thoughts seem insightful, he just probably didn’t get to speak up as often and his voice got drowned out

~GE

it is just neighbor and i don't think that's an insignificant role.

This tracks with prior position Taly has held if anyone was wondering

~GE

Why is Taly town?

Because he’s actually trying to exert influence over the game vs. hoping to ride out the insane activity level

~GE

im better read post-D1.

Cephrir’s Taly gladiate is absolute dogshit given this

~GE

Has Taly claimed?

Neighbor with you???

I’m like 99% on Bell being scum here

~GE

Technically, couldn't we just not vote and let the time run out?

I wish we could vote on skipping a day or something?

Dude are you crazy?

Why is that crazy?

*takes Rad aside*
Between eliminating someone day 1 and not eliminating someone day 1 which one do you think benefits town the most?

Yup this is scum. I just hit 100% confidence on this read. Shea’s Among Us 100% contradicts this PoV.

~GE

Chances are we elim a town today. Why is it crazy to skip? Explain to me with logic.

You have to sacrifice the lamb

This is such a dogshit scum post. Like it’s not even fucking subtle!

~GE

I find it wild that the counter argument to townreads on Taly is “we have to vote SOMEONE”

~GE

Yup this is scum. I just hit 100% confidence on this read. Shea’s Among Us 100% contradicts this PoV.

~GE

What does this mean?

Town FUCKING DOMINATED a game where a no yeet happened Day 1. Bell was scum in that game too. I’m betting that game is in his memory and is why he’s against abstaining here!

~GE

VOTE: no lim

Was the timing of cephrir's gladiator coincided with saving frogs from being eliminated? Cause if so they could be partners

It effectively saved Frogster, Mala, Dunn, Johnny (I think those four had the most votes)

good to get this cleared up, I had asked who the wagons were earlier
btw was ceph a wagon at the time? I don't believe he was and my gears are turning on a certain thought

~GE

You voted Taly,
then iso'd them.
Then changed your mind.
and cased them on speculation while also shading a bunch of town in the middle of all of it.

I'd say that's suspicious, but it's par for the course for GE tbh.

I want to chew you out for this but I’d probably get banned for what I want to say.
You do realize MARCI voted Taly? With very minimal exception, I have faithfully tagged all of my posts. HOW ARE YOU FUCKING IT UP?

~GE

[Off The Hook]

it feels like this push on math is scum motivated.

i think everyone was content to just shade corwin before, (sort of like how johnnys being treated) but now that mathblades repped in it feels like people are like "oh shit"

wake up please everybody, you just keep letting johnny slide by unchecked.
this is an obv move to save johnny imo

Overall I think cephrir seems town
He’s doing a bit more interesting stuff than I think he would as scum

~GE

VOTE: taly
im not really confident taly would be scum, i think theyve been trying their hardest. but we need an elim for info and i think it doesnt make sense for cephiriridiidiriri as scum to do this shit cuz if we landed on him instead of taly he basically did it to himself and scum dont want that sort of shit

I’m gonna have to accelerate to the part where I ISO Taly vs. doing the other ones I have from the main requests

~GE

that said tho

GUYS I LOWKEY FEEL SO BAD FOR TALY I JUST THINK THEYRE DISMOTIVATED TOWN NOW FHJEISIS

I also get no sense Taly is scum from his ISO so I’m at the very least baffled by the fact he was SR so much
Seems like he legitimately did get FoSed for lesser thread presence given his thoughts seem insightful, he just probably didn’t get to speak up as often and his voice got drowned out

~GE

it is just neighbor and i don't think that's an insignificant role.

This tracks with prior position Taly has held if anyone was wondering

~GE

Why is Taly town?

Because he’s actually trying to exert influence over the game vs. hoping to ride out the insane activity level

~GE

im better read post-D1.

Cephrir’s Taly gladiate is absolute dogshit given this

~GE

Has Taly claimed?

Neighbor with you???

I’m like 99% on Bell being scum here

~GE

Technically, couldn't we just not vote and let the time run out?

I wish we could vote on skipping a day or something?

Dude are you crazy?

Why is that crazy?

*takes Rad aside*
Between eliminating someone day 1 and not eliminating someone day 1 which one do you think benefits town the most?

Yup this is scum. I just hit 100% confidence on this read. Shea’s Among Us 100% contradicts this PoV.

~GE

Chances are we elim a town today. Why is it crazy to skip? Explain to me with logic.

You have to sacrifice the lamb

This is such a dogshit scum post. Like it’s not even fucking subtle!

~GE

I find it wild that the counter argument to townreads on Taly is “we have to vote SOMEONE”

~GE

Yup this is scum. I just hit 100% confidence on this read. Shea’s Among Us 100% contradicts this PoV.

~GE

What does this mean?

Town FUCKING DOMINATED a game where a no yeet happened Day 1. Bell was scum in that game too. I’m betting that game is in his memory and is why he’s against abstaining here!

~GE

VOTE: no lim

Was the timing of cephrir's gladiator coincided with saving frogs from being eliminated? Cause if so they could be partners

It effectively saved Frogster, Mala, Dunn, Johnny (I think those four had the most votes)

good to get this cleared up, I had asked who the wagons were earlier
btw was ceph a wagon at the time? I don't believe he was and my gears are turning on a certain thought

~GE

You voted Taly,
then iso'd them.
Then changed your mind.
and cased them on speculation while also shading a bunch of town in the middle of all of it.

I'd say that's suspicious, but it's par for the course for GE tbh.

I want to chew you out for this but I’d probably get banned for what I want to say.
You do realize MARCI voted Taly? With very minimal exception, I have faithfully tagged all of my posts. HOW ARE YOU FUCKING IT UP?

~GE