Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
In post 50, kutiplz wrote:I take it this is an australia regional player list? This works for me. Since I like playing at night.
I'm in Aus but I can't speak for the rest of the list
In post 51, kutiplz wrote:Anyway I want questions and what not. I would like attention please and ty
What do you think of the votes on Dunnstral and Bambi? It's sort of the only noteworthy thing that's happened in this game and you've not commented on it
In post 54, Dunnstral wrote:Frogsterking, do you think you play differently at the start of a game when you are mafia compared to when you are town?
In post 55, Dunnstral wrote:Frogsterking, do you have any thoughts about the setup? Optimal strategy, any plans for what to do, etc.?
Dunn if you want me to Town read you then get a real scum read.
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
In post 11, Bambi Jay wrote:Ah. So this mod kidnapped a previous competitor. Nice.
So full clarity I got no idea what the odds are for the vigilante thing or if the Bomb or Super saint can coexist. So I'm just gonna kill anyone scummy and hope for the best.
I'm not sure I believe this, it's pretty clearly spelled out in the setup area
I personally think it's genuine, given that I had a similar question about the setup before the game started and I asked Pav about it, despite it being explicitly written in the setup explanation in the wiki that was linked. So I wouldn't read too much into it.
Dunnstral wrote:
In post 32, Bambi Jay wrote:But frankly all I can say is that if scum got Roleblocker this game is townsided while if doctor it's scumsuded.
I think you are faking this misunderstanding of the setup to look town
VOTE: Bambi Jay
Not sure that's enough justification to place a vote tbh.
In post 56, Alexcellent wrote:
What do you think of the votes on Dunnstral and Bambi? It's sort of the only noteworthy thing that's happened in this game and you've not commented on it
Same question to the others that haven't commented on it yet.
Alright, looks like Frogsterking doesn't intend to respond so I'll come out with what I've found. Frogsterking's posts this game have rubbed me the wrong way so I took a look at some of their completed games to see if I could find more of the same from their town or scum games.
So I found 4 games, two town games and two scum games that Frogsterking played through, and I gathered the first 20 posts of each and compared to see how Frogsterking looked at the start of their games.
In post 54, Frogsterking wrote:Hey guys, I thought I was clever, but it looks like several other people realized defusing bombs is good for maf.
I came up with a name for the strat:
MAD
M
urder
A
ll
D
efusers
I'm also curious if this is a part of a twist associated with the story.
We don't know that DATS inc. is even a bomb defusing company at all. All we know is that DATS inc. has been infiltrated. It's possible defusing bombs isn't DATS inc. primary purpose, and the story revolves around a company whose primary purpose has been lost.
For example, maybe DATS inc. actually stands for:
Destroy All Traitors and Scum incorporated
or
Destroy All Traitorous Scum incorporated
PEDit: StrangeMatters is already out of their scum range by the way, slight townread on StrangeMatters from me.
In post 88, Frogsterking wrote:Huh I think the distraction of the theme is actually giving me more shitty early reads than usual. I'll just list them all before I start messing around with python to get my survey ready for the thread tonight.
PEdit:
weak townreads:
Cephrir
StrangeMatter
Greetings
weak scumreads:
Morning Tweet
Lukewarm
GuiltyLion
@Greetings
I like where you're headed keep going if you can! I have more of an artsy temperament than a science temperament so I think I'm most helpful to town establishing an early PoE than min maxing the mechanics, but I will try to help with both.
In post 87, StrangeMatter wrote:@Frogsterking, do you mean by I’m out of my scumrange there? I have played with you once, which to me wouldn’t be enough to know my scumgame.
It's enough if the player in question has a scumrange the size of a pea.
My bad, Luke. UNVOTE: Luke There's probably at least one lurker scum who hasn't even said anything yet so there's no way Luke goes in the bottom of the PoE. There's also no way Luke goes in the top of the PoE because fake game solving is a part of Luke's scum range.
VP is way too self conscious compared to their town meta. This might be normal play for Bell but my intuition is that they seem way too self conscious and belong in the bottom of the PoE.
In post 110, Frogsterking wrote:Hey Menalque I'm making a full PoE list, say something townie
, sorry to bother you yet again, but the rules state that town chooses the bomb experts. Is this a mistake? If not, then what happens when a scum nominates someone?
And one last question, what happens if there is a tie amongst players nominated to be bomb experts and there is more ties than spots? For instance, 5 players are tied and 4 experts are chosen.
it is not a mistake. the word "town" in that sentence refers to the collective of players, and every single player's nomination vote will be counted, regardless of their alignment.
if there are ties amongst the players nominated, they are broken by seniority; i.e. the players that got to that number of nominations first will be the experts. if, for any reason, that method of tie-breaking is not applicable, the mafia will be able to privately choose the bomb experts.
Okay, thanks. I didn't know that "town" is not referring to an alignment in this game, but to the whole of players. In that case, the previous posts by me should be discarded.
I don't think your ideas should be discarded, I think they should be improved. I think solving the mechanics is important to town winrate and is hard for scum to fake, so it helps the dayplay indirectly as well, and you seem to have some acumen for this mechanical solving.
So far I've seen three candidates for how to approach the nightplay. I think we should get a few more candidates and then focus on analyzing the implications of the top four. I've seen:
A) Defuse no bombs
B) Defuse up to three bombs
C) Each player nominates one other player as an expert
PEdit:
Tweet I don't think we've played before and I also don't recall reading any of the games you've played.
PEdit2:
Tweet we don't get to choose the "bomb defuser", only scum get to choose the "bomb defuser". Everyone gets to vote on the "Expert" who is immune from being chosen as the "bomb defuser" as well as any nightkills that nightphase
The "bomb defuser" is equal to the jailer's target as the "bomb expert" is equal to a jailer who gets to use their ability every night. The "bomb experts" are like a team of jailers where any one jailer can choose to kill the target. The team of jailers are elected by the town each dayphase in addition to the regular elimination vote and the jailer's target is chosen by the scum each twilight. If the team of jailers collectively decide to release the jailer target, the target not only lives but is given a one-shot vig ability, and the target's alignment moves one point closer to the theme's alternate win condition. Scum can choose to make themselves the jailer's target.
You're scum by tone. And activity level. It could be NAI if there's something going on, but I think if there were something going on you would have said that at the beginning.
You're scum by tone. And activity level. It could be NAI if there's something going on, but I think if there were something going on you would have said that at the beginning.
You haven't rolled scum in a while, have you VP?
I think the last time I rolled scum wasn't that long ago. Was in a multiball game that Not Mafia hosted.
What do you mean said that at the beginning? That I have a lot of work this week?
Yes. And I know what game you're referring to.
When was the last time you rolled scum before that?
In post 147, Morning Tweet wrote:i have never seen a slot like frog's in a large theme not be town, yet. the kinda person who tried to solve all 18 other players on page 10. This would be like the third time that i can remember though.
When was the last time you rolled scum before that?
FWIW, I don't think my work will like super impact my ability to play the game. I was more just complaining because all my colleagues took off on spring break and I'm picking up the slack.
Um, before that, IDK. I think I rolled scum once or twice during marathon games. I have a bad memory for this kind of stuff.
What's the relevance of the last time I rolled scum?
Because for most players to be vulnerable to an early tonal read I think there needs to be some kind of reason, because a given player needs to be really tonally distinct and noticeable for another human to actually be able to perceive it in my humble opinion. Even moreso in your case where I would predict your extraversion and experience safeguard you against tonal reads. I think not rolling scum in a legit game in a long time is a great reason why you might be vulnerable to an early tonal read, and because there's a great reason why an early tonal read might be possible, I'm trusting my own observation a lot more, because I'm very sure that I'm observing a distinct tonal shift from you that's self conscious and pensive.
Also the words I bolded cause me to suspect someone might be lying coming from almost any person in pretty much any situation ever, even if I said them myself.
In post 175, StrangeMatter wrote:You can't nominate yourself, I'm here but for a short period of time before I have a flight to catch.
But I keep getting the gut feeling to be semi paranoid of Frogsterking entirely on their read on me feeling really off. I didn't get a chance to respond to that I would say even with a small scum range like mine it would be wrong to assume that I couldn't be entirely capable of more as scum, which makes me a little more suspicious of how their playing.
I understand where you're coming from I think you're a player who is vulnerable to profiling and tone reads as a rule because of your temperament, and I think reading by profiles and tone reads gets kind of shitty results in a lot of situations it just happens to be how I can play this game. I want to get a good PoE going so I'm taking some risks and trusting my read on you because I think that's what it takes for my style of play to succeed. I'm not claiming to have an in depth understanding of your game or you as a person, I'm claiming to understand a few general things about you (creative, introverted, perfectionistic) based on observations from the game we played, including things you said about yourself during and after the game, and because of those general inferences I made about your temperament I think you're playing way too open and direct here with your thoughts than you would as scum.
Also the words I bolded cause me to suspect someone might be lying coming from almost any person in pretty much any situation ever, even if I said them myself.
Don't know what to tell you on that. I don't track or even think about my games after they are over. I think it's weirder when people can be like "oh, I played with so and so in such and such a game four years ago".
I probably couldn't even tell you the name of our first game together without having to look it up or think about it very hard, and that was not long ago!
VOTE: VP Baltar
VP Baltar is scum guys I'm telling you now, please sheep my vote as soon as you townlean/townread me and don't have anyone else you strongly believe are scum.
In post 188, The Praetorian wrote:regardless i want to be an expert then bc i love ktane and i purely signed up for this minigame
In post 159, Andante wrote:LOL so I looked at this saw like "ORDER MATTERS" and was like, how the heck did you order the non posters... like yeah I'm town, but this sounds too good to be a true list... but then you specified the non poster order doesn't matter... (Definitely a tangent, but I had a good laugh and had to share)
In post 159, Andante wrote:Umm VP saying something about "I ask a lot of setup questions" felt really odd to me, like, I don't think anyone has a problem with the setup questions being adressed at the start of the game, I can go find the specific post if someone is dying to know, but it felt off.
Catboi vs Pooky was an interesting dynamic, umm not sure I want to share my thoughts there yet.
I thought it looked TvT but Catboi always looks town, not as sure about Pooky. That's why in my readslist I gave Pooky more credit for the interaction than Catboi.
I think VP is scum based on tone. Specifically VP is being self conscious and pensive. I think what VP is saying about trying to figure out the setup is true, I just scumread the way he comes off while going about it.
I'm trying to be methodical so to counter confbias I came up with three reasons I think I could be wrong: 1) VP is being really cautious because they want to get the setup mech right 2) something IRL like being in the middle of the work week or 3) I hate to say it but I think it's necessary for the whole self-disclosure credibility cycle, if VP hasn't rolled TPR in a while or they are just one of those people who play scummy when they get TPR intentionally or unintentionally, that could definitely explain what I'm observing as well, and it's important for me to recognize that on some level which I'm not good at doing yet.
In post 159, Andante wrote:^ This post feels so bad... Like, why are you asking someone why they don't like large games? what info from that answer do you want? Feels like you're just trying to "look busy"
I don't think this is fair at all?
Like I think it's fine to ask but I don't think the judgement is helpful in this case.
The main reason I asked is that I was genuinely curious why they didn't like large themes, the way their post trailed off at the end kind of looked like there might be a story there. If you look earlier MorningTweet and I established we probably haven't played together and don't know anything about each other, so I was more curious about MorningTweet themselves rather than specifically their reason for not liking large themes. I also don't agree that there is a specific kind of topic that's more likely to produce AI information, I think arguing about reads is helpful sometimes as well as just having organic conversation. In this case I had a question I wanted to ask to a player I just met and in the moment I was both curious and felt like it could be more fruitful for AI information than accusing them or asking about their reads.
In post 159, Andante wrote:
And kinda with that, I believe it was Tweet that was like "I almost never see maf make a reads list like that this early" or something... I don't actually agree with much of that list, nor do I believe much work went into it, and if I had to guess, more work went into the format than the reads themselves, and like, if you're gonna repeat "THE ORDER MATTERS" like, why not give more on that? Ellaborate more on what makes someone slightly townier than someone else, cause you going "ORDER MATTERS ON MY RVS READS" means absolutely nothing... Like, you saying people at the bottom of your list can't possibly be town?? It feels really odd to me you're that confidint 100 posts into the game when most of the talk has been "idk how this works"
Lol I understand where you're coming from here. Thank you for noticing the effort I put into the formatting.
I repeated "order matters" because my first question whenever I see a reads list is if the order matters between the players within each category. I've also seen enough other players ask this question after a readlist gets posted that I wanted to make sure it was clear that the order did matter. I didn't post a lot of reasons because my reads aren't based on really logical deduction yet, they're almost completely based on intuition, if not completely based on intuition, so I can come up with reasons to justify why I subjectively put one player over and another, but it feels dishonest in a way to put that in the readslist because it implies the list is driven by logic, which it really isn't.
I'm also not confident in the list as much as I'm confident in my ability to create one, and in the benefit of creating one earlier, even if it's a bit rough. I'm hoping we will be able to make a townblock which can work together and construct a more accurate PoE via a readslist.
That being said, which parts of my readslist do you think could be made better?
In post 244, Andante wrote:a few of these avatars are blending together and I skimmed some posts,
That reminds me that I had another idea I was meaning to try in these large games about posting a visual representation of the town with everyone's avatars kind of like Datisi's triangle thing. I thought it would help keep the players straight by remembering "these five people live on this street, these five people live on this street," etc.
Hello everyone. I now realize I should have inned as a SE because I have a few games under my belt already...
Cool we have an armada of SEs this game.
VOTE: yolohammer doesnt sound like a newbie name.
I have a supplemental D1 start method called the SSS (standard survey start). I think it might be better after the RVS is over rather than right at the start of the game. I'll probably post it around 10-12 pages in.
In post 73, NorwegianboyEE wrote:What on earth is an conciousness of guilt slip and why would that ever happen.
Consciousness of guilt is one of the main foundations of scumhunting. It's one of the reasons players change behavior between alignment and is accepted in court of law:
As for why a slip like this can happen, there was something else I was looking for but I found this first which is interesting and comes from a different approach:
In post 82, Dunnstral wrote:I don't think consciousness of guilt is the right terminology for what is being accused of being a slip, it seems to be something different
In post 89, ProgoWoshua wrote:This is far from being the only false cognate between Portuguese and English, but it's the only one I have a problem with. For some reason, main brain has fixated on it and I'll misuse it if I'm not careful.
Yes, it is annoying.
This is the third time I've made this mistake in this site alone,
In post 102, ProgoWoshua wrote:When I made the same mistake last game, only one person made a big deal out of it, and she was town. So I'm not read to suspect Frogsterking and ofmercia just yet.
This is pretty townie, I think if ProgoWoshua were scum they have the choice of leaving this post out and pushing ofmercia or I later.
Frogsterking wrote:TistDaniel is campaigning for the night kill with their D1 play. Following best play from everyone they're going to be the night kill unless their reads are really bad.
My SSS project which contains the five factor model personality stuff I think TistDaniel was mentioning earlier is still on the way. I might be able to post it tonight.
If anyone is wondering I'm pretty sure Progowoshua and TistDaniel are town. I briefly FoSed ofmercia but now I think they're null and I need to think about it. I have one right now FoS but it's kind of weird.
I like their reactions to the "slip" along with their engagement with ofmercia. I think their solving style is townie and I really like how they went through with their ofmercia vote. I also think that their prodding of frogo is townie because it's someone trying to get discussion started up.
Okay, do you remember how to read a players iso?
Can you find a player's iso in this game who seems to have the most consistent train of thought from post to post, and player who seems to have the least consistent train of thought from post to post?
In post 185, KittyTacky wrote:Both Tist and Norwe are probably town. I played with scum Norwe a while ago and he was... different. Like less talkative? Snarkier? I don't quite remember how but it was a different style.
Okay that's good to know. Do you have a read on Auto or Dunnst yet?
In post 170, NorwegianboyEE wrote:VOTE: Frogsterking
Looking back on it, i think their "oh you slipped" stuff on ProgoWoshua was pretty opportunistic so i want to vote here. They unvote later of course, but that is after negative thread response so i don't give it very much credit.
Frogsterking wrote:I apologize for my lurking. I think I've kept fairly well read on this game.
I think frognworth and KittyTacky are likely to flip scum. VOTE: frognworth I'm down to wagon either.
I think Dunnstral/StrangeMatters and AutoDefennstrel are the limbait slots who are are likely to be easy pushes who flip town.
I think Progo put enough effort into their posts that it's sort of making his life difficult as scum so I think he's town. I think Norwee's vote on me and paranoia of my slot is likely to come from town and some of his posts were too helpful I think for if he were playing scum. And I also am not paranoid of Tist who I think is town.
Then I think ofmercia's play is slightly more aggressive than the other players at this table which can sometimes lead to getting his slot scum read, and in my experience, kind of like the limbait slots, he's likely to flip town.
So then I just have frognworth and KittyTacky left and I read through their isos and I see hanging back, pushing easy slots while staying on the sidelanes, posting just enough to get slightly townread. I'm somewhat confident there's at least 1 scum between KittyTacky and frognworth.
Frogsterking wrote:I really dislike how fwog and Kitty feel like they put just enough effort in to get slightly town read, and how they're both presently posed with their outted scum reads to sheep whichever limbait town goes for EoD.
In post 7, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: Mala because if they don't get wagoned D1 it will be a ca-Malaty!!
I will be posting my SSS (Standard Survey Strategy) once I verify the scoring scripts for it are working.
I've received some feedback on reading N_M so I will be of some use in that department. We've only got 9 players so let's get a solid PoE set up and we'll win the game.
In post 14, Yeet wrote:Ah, yeah I will have to do that at some point. I’m currently on my phone in bed but I will do that the next time I get to a computer (will probably be tomorrow evening after work).
I'm not joking! I think your slot is a scum power role who is required to be present or the game risks becoming mechanically unfair to the scum team.
In post 14, Yeet wrote:Ah, yeah I will have to do that at some point. I’m currently on my phone in bed but I will do that the next time I get to a computer (will probably be tomorrow evening after work).
I'm not joking! I think your slot is a scum power role who is required to be present or the game risks becoming mechanically unfair to the scum team.
I'm being serious I think the setup was delayed because it's balanced mechanically around a very powerful scum power role and the player who got this role never confirmed!
In post 25, Yeet wrote:Indeed I am saddened as well. However both he and the current leader of China are very controversial figures, so I understand the sentiment behind the sanction.
In post 27, Yeet wrote:I suspect that Frogsterking is aligned with the town.
Now I'm worried that Fool is a role in large normals?
Yeet is talking about depressing non-game related topics and is townreading me despite doing nothing but instantly shading their slot unironically at start of game.
In post 49, tenebrousluminary wrote:Salutations. Yeet and any others whom it may concern, you may call me teneb or tl if that is easier. I also respond to "hey you."
I would like to think that the game delay is notsomething we should read into, so I won't.
In post 40, Frogsterking wrote:Yeet is talking about depressing non-game related topics and is townreading me despite doing nothing but instantly shading their slot unironically at start of game.
What? How are they depressing non-game topics and do you object to me/dats saying your entrance was +town and why is shading their slow unironically scummy (and i'm not sure they were even shading their slot either ...)
It's non game related for TOWN because it doesn't help with scumhunting, I think it's believable you and Dats +town my entrance so I'm not objecting to it OR returning you or Dats +town back because it could just be a pocket attempt from you.
In post 83, skitter30 wrote:After readinf 71 multiple times, i actually dont think i got any clarity from it >.>
Why is it more believeable that me/dats would townbin you than for yeet to do the same thing?
~
Nai = non alignment indicative
In other words i'm saying what dats has done thus far is neither townie nor scummy for him
Okay so in 71 I'm saying I would often consider anyone approaching me the way you did like "hey me and this other person think you're +town" to be a scumtell and reject the read. The way you asked me just now in 52 seems so believable I'm not scumreading you for it AND still I'm too cynical of being pocketed to even give you a potential town lean for it.
I just noticed in 52 you also asked why Yeet is unironically scummy for townreading me despite my only actions being to shade Yeet. I don't know how to answer that other than that I don't think it's a very believable/common reaction from a townie for Yeet to play like that?
In post 87, fireisredsir wrote:why does frogster sound so NEW, it's weird vibes for a 2011 join date
Shade or curious?
no offense meant, new isn't bad. but when the way you are approaching and interacting with the game doesn't line up with how i would think an experienced player would, it could be cause you feel awkward and have trouble engaging genuinely as maf.
but on the other hand, if you are more new (and looks like you don't have a ton of games played actually) then it makes you make more sense to me
Okay I understand now, I think you're scumhunting because you already followed up by checking my # games played
In post 125, GeneralWu wrote:I don't think skitter is scummy for saying what she did about Datisi.
It sounds pretty normal to me. While not everyone here is completely familiar with Datisi's playstyle, I don't think it's scummy for skitter to suggest that Datisi's posts are NAI.
The point was not that she suggested his posts are NAI - that is what I expect town skitter to do. And I’m sure she knew that part, regardless of what her alignment is. The point is that she started it with disbelief that he was getting pressure from players who don’t know him, knowing full well that she is using her experience with Datisi to sort him.
She saw an opportunity to make a read (fake content) that she would as town and slipped up in how she presented it.
Maybe she just thought that other players would see the same things she did, but it turned out that they didn't.
136 noted for being potentially a town tell, a scum tell, or both!
In post 135, Frogsterking wrote:Okay so in 71 I'm saying I would often consider anyone approaching me the way you did like "hey me and this other person think you're +town" to be a scumtell and reject the read. The way you asked me just now in 52 seems so believable I'm not scumreading you for it AND still I'm too cynical of being pocketed to even give you a potential town lean for it.
I just noticed in 52 you also asked why Yeet is unironically scummy for townreading me despite my only actions being to shade Yeet. I don't know how to answer that other than that I don't think it's a very believable/common reaction from a townie for Yeet to play like that?
Wu sheep my vote on Yeet if you're town. Yeet's slot is scummy, Yeet is stumbling the daystart, and I don't want my Yeet wagon to be arbitrarily abandoned
Okay following 163 I feel compelled to share wu is a townlean for me unironically.
Well folks, I think my work here is done.
Dang
How did you conclude that
I think 136 and 163 are more likely to come from town because they're unassuming and open up lines of discussion!
163 is not towny, fluff is not discussion. i don't think it's very scummy either but maf has more motivation to try to make friends than town does
Huh do you mind elaborating why maf have more motivation to make friends than town? I'm going for a walk but I'll be back soon.
There is a lot of data there, I will highlight what I find important:
The biggest point here is that Frogsterking posts a lot more when they are town. I'm not talking simply post count, which is also true, but the verbosity of the posts themselves. A casual side-by-side comparison is enough to reveal that their posts are quite lengthier as town, whereas when Frogsterking rolls mafia they tend to post a lot of shorter posts, including a lot of one-liners.
Here is their iso for this game:
Spoiler:
In post 30, Frogsterking wrote:You guys seem like a lobby who want to try my Standard Survey Start (SSS).
In post 54, Dunnstral wrote:Frogsterking, do you think you play differently at the start of a game when you are mafia compared to when you are town?
In post 55, Dunnstral wrote:Frogsterking, do you have any thoughts about the setup? Optimal strategy, any plans for what to do, etc.?
Dunn if you want me to Town read you then get a real scum read.
What we have seen so far leans heavily towards how Frogsterking has played mafia in the past, and does not look similar to how they've played as town.
Next I looked at their early game pushes. I found it notable that in the 4th game they manufactured a reason to vote for somebody early and then focused heavily on that player in several of their next few posts. This behavior is not seen in either of their town games, where their focus is a lot more broad. I think that the third game falls somewhere in between; their focus feels more narrow than in the town games, but they are more willing to move their vote around as well.
It is my opinion then that Frogsterking is somewhat easy to read as their play seems to be rather distinct, and it seems that nobody else has caught onto this yet. That would make them mafia in this game.
VOTE: Frogsterking
I find their jumping in front of a bullet for Bambi Jay notable.
Also wanted to point out that they seemed eager to talk about the setup in the first game where they were town, but seem pretty uninterested in this one, and it's not clear why. The rest of the games did not have as interesting of setups, and they did not talk about those, but I feel this one does.
In post 63, Dunnstral wrote:
What we have seen so far leans heavily towards how Frogsterking has played mafia in the past, and does not look similar to how they've played as town.
Next I looked at their early game pushes. I found it notable that in the 4th game they manufactured a reason to vote for somebody early and then focused heavily on that player in several of their next few posts. This behavior is not seen in either of their town games, where their focus is a lot more broad. I think that the third game falls somewhere in between; their focus feels more narrow than in the town games, but they are more willing to move their vote around as well.
It is my opinion then that Frogsterking is somewhat easy to read as their play seems to be rather distinct, and it seems that nobody else has caught onto this yet. That would make them mafia in this game.
VOTE: Frogsterking
I find their jumping in front of a bullet for Bambi Jay notable.
As much as I'm not a fan of comparing a person's games based on alignment, I have to agree that there seems to be a pattern here.
So I feel pretty good about Dunnstral as town. Will probably wait to see how Frogster reacts though but yeah, those are some good call outs. Idk why scum!Frogster jumps in with that vote though unless he's scum with Bambi, but I don't reeeally like connecting those dots this early.
In post 42, Alexcellent wrote:
Speaking of that mini, Bambi did you roll scum again?
This is very reminiscent to me of D1 Mini 2273. I was town and Bambi was scum. I voted for her because she appeared scummy to me and she dropped a pretty OMGUSy vote in return. This exchange is giving me some real deja vu.
Bambi/Elsa had been acting in a way that I found to be scummy, so I voted her and she voted back with that post with the tacked on reasoning that I was throwing unnecessary shade. It feels very similar to what's happening here with her and Dunnstral.
I may not have stuck to my guns on that scum read D1 and ended up paying for it since town lost, so I may have a bit of paranoia there about her play in general. But that Dunnstral vote gives me legit the same vibe I got from the last mini with Elsa/Bambi.
Bambi/Elsa had been acting in a way that I found to be scummy, so I voted her and she voted back with that post with the tacked on reasoning that I was throwing unnecessary shade. It feels very similar to what's happening here with her and Dunnstral.
That's fair. I'm currently still at null on both Frogsterking and Bambi cause I wanna hear their responses first. I see a world where their playing in the same way they have in previous games where they rolled Scum is more coincidence than anything, especially when it comes to Bambi.
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