In post 87, GuiltyLion wrote: In post 60, Ph0enix wrote:Not sure that's enough justification to place a vote tbh.
It appears we're out or RVS by now, so...
UNVOTE:
I'm not sure if this is AI or just playstyle friction but I strongly, strongly dislike this unvote, and the motivation in it as well as the comment preceding. Voting is always better than not voting. While reasoning for scumreads is obviously good, I don't like the implication here that you need to meet a certain standard of evidence/justification for a vote. Game is in a low info state and the best way to create info is to vote, create wagons, force people into taking stances. Sitting around not voting anyone and dismissing potentially good leads keeps the game in a low-info state.
I don't know what to tell you, it may be a playstyle thing. I don't think votes are necessary to create info, I don't feel more pressured now that there's 2 votes on me than I would have been if you and Galron had written your posts with the same content but without the votes themselves.
GuiltyLion wrote:And what do you think the point of RVS is if you're just going to unvote once "we're out" of it and go nowhere with it afterwards?
I see no point leaving a vote that was made in the first post of the game with no reasoning behind it, now that there's enough content generated that votes are no longer without reason. Unvoting does not mean I'm "going nowhere with it".
GuiltyLion wrote:
I see in
75 you don't seem to be scumreading Dunnstral, so what is the point of your comment on his vote? Why are you dismissing an attempt to pressure another player? If you aren't suspicious of Dunn's motivations then commenting like this on his vote feels to me like you're more interested in sounding reasonable or fair than you are in finding and pressuring scum.
That's fair, in hindsight I probably should have followed up and asked why she thought Bambi's misunderstanding when it comes to the setup is reason enough to vote her in and of itself. Though as it appears it's my playstyle that I have to adjust and be more aggressive with voting, as placing a vote apparently doesn't carry the same weight that it does in my head, which would render my comment on Dunn's vote obsolete.
GuiltyLion wrote:I think Alexcellent and Galron are town
GuiltyLion wrote:
very much giving me vibes/profiile of scum trying to get their foothold in the game by asking basic questions and making safe/non-controversial comments, while not actually taking any
real
initiative to pursue reads or sort players.
This part I can't get behind. These two statements contradict one another. If I'm the one that's asking basic questions and making comments while not taking initiative to sort players, what's Galron been doing? How is he Town in your eyes based on current information, when his posts so far offer no real substance imo. (I'm not talking about Alex here, cause I think his posts have provided enough thus far given the limited information he's working with, as the rest of us.) It appears my asking questions and making comments is the reason you are SR-ing me while TR-ing Galron, cause that's the main difference between their posts and mine. Which wouldn't make sense - surely asking basic questions is better than nothing.
GuiltyLion wrote:65 is another example in addition to what I said about
60, a non-comment comment, "I don't like meta but I agree with your meta finding", that does not strike me as a comment that comes from a real intention to solve
Would be a fair argument, if the statement of mine you are referring to and the following one I'm going to quote were any different in substance, which they are not:
GuiltyLion wrote:I think Alexcellent and Galron are town
I am going to wait for Frog to respond to Dunn before I fully weigh in on that case, but I will say I think Dunn's point about Frog's focus being more narrow in his scum games than the town games is the more compelling argument to me.
My point was that, indeed, there seems to be a pattern when it comes to Frogster's posting frequency and the content of his posts based on his alignment and that pattern is something worth considering. You are not saying anything different than me here, the only thing different is that you are leaning slightly towards taking Dunn's side in the argument as of now (correct me if I'm wrong), while I'm not doing so yet.
As for Galron's playstyle itself, it bugs me, however I don't think it's AI as well, I understand that not all players enjoy writing walls of text in flashy colors as I tend to do. Furthermore, GL is my primary SR as of now based on the fact that I think his argument regarding my playstyle, due to which he voted me, is severely flawed and that he's trying to make something out of nothing and start a wagon on me. In that case, I don't think scum!Galron ever jumps on the wagon with no reasoning whatsoever like he did, it's too suboptimal of a play for me to consider. That's why I'm TR-ing Galron for now.
VOTE: GuiltyLion
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kutiplz wrote:
I'm catching up but yeaaaa Dunn is town. This doesn't feel fake able.
Hard, hard disagree on that one. I don't understand why everyone is jumping to conclusions that it doesn't feel fakeable. As I said in a previous post, I get that Town players will naturally be more willing to push the conservation forward and so doing all this digging may be a slight TR, hence why I put Dunn as a possible slight TR in said post. However, to think that it's strongly Town indicative, let alone not fakeable, I can't get behind. Why would it not be fakeable? Why would Scum not spend some time digging if it apparently means a safe TR from some of the other players?
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