Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[Ausuka]

I will probably only vote for freedom or marci today? Preferably freedom tbh. Maybe johnny or dats if absolutely necessary.

[Ausuka]

I will say I think Freedom's behaviour is fairly clear cut the scummiest of anyone and the role claim is also probably the worst. Shoshin is the only thing that makes me doubt that push.

Why is my claim bad?

I missed this - I think
1) Town needs significant power and also needs plenty of VTs. Both of our roles are effectively useless and therefore fairly unlikely to coexist, although I wouldn't rule it out because loltrollgame and I don't fully understand what balances a normal game.
2) It's somewhat odd you're the only neighbour who's vanilla. I could see you possibly being some form of scummy mafia PR who didn't want to either trueclaim or make up a claim so just claimed vanilla neighbour.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: freedom
Ausuka might have a good point

[Ausuka]

Rolespec is just a minor part of that read because I don't trust it. The main part of my push is that I think your scumhunting here is very lacking - most of the posts you make seem tangential, and ever since d2 your reads have been that players who post and have influence are towny for having 'intent to solve'. You post a decent amount but don't really seem to be trying to find the mafia - I feel you're just kind of there, often correcting people or making minor points about the setup. I think you're a pretty good player as town from what I've seen, so this kind of low-impact game feels scummy coming from you. I think the scum motivation in posting this way - to skate by and mostly escape notice while not outright lurking per se - is much clearer than the town motivation.

[Alexcellent]

So I'm gonna vomit thoughts into the game.

I like Marci's post in a lot of ways. I kind of sheep Scamper's view in that I don't fully agree with everything and it doesn't make me scum read Datisi, but it feels authentic and a lot of stuff I do vibe with.
On D2 I was very suspicious of Datisi joining the Bella wagon and it felt weird to me that he was okay with that launch. And I do see the buddying with Ausuka. But maybe that's hypocritical since I've sort of just been sheeping a lot of what Ausuka/Datisi do today. Like maybs they're both just town on the same wave length. I do thing the buddying is really blatant though to the point that maybe it's too blatant?
Overall, going back to what I said earlier, it's hard for me to compare Datisi's contributions against half the player list and single him out as scum. I think he probably is town. But I think what Marci is pointing out has some merit and doesn't necessarily strike me as a bogus case that scum would throw together?

Also yes, my votes have been bouncing around all day, because I'm struggling to read this game and the state it's in. We can't really associate much from the Corwin flip since he was a traitor, and the PR claims are just ridic. Like they can't be proven or disproven. Gut wants to say that there has to be more vanilla than what's been claimed but I'm not sure. It's convenient to me that Datisi claimed to shoot me after I already claimed. It's also convenient that Johnny didn't reveal the result of his results until everyone else had claimed. Like it bugs me because those can be perfectly honest, legit claims/results, but they can just as easily be fabricated and we don't have a way of disproving them.

Johnny still bugs me because he's just done nothing, he scum read me pretty much all game long and seemed like he was just active lurking. Fair enough real world gets busy and such, but the posts he's come back with I feel like can be faked as scum, and him suddenly having this strong town read on me based on agreeing with my reads feels disingenuous. The problem is I've glanced at some other games as his and it's not like he seems to try significantly harder or post with much notable difference that I can tell depending on alignment.

Marci is also super hard to read, because it's felt like she's just sorta trolling for a long time and hasn't helped much. But every now and then she does say something that feels town and like I said I think her Datisi read isn't bad, and her AtE feeeels like it's probably townie more so than scummy. I'm just worried there because if she gets a pass and ends up being scum I'm gonna be real irked.

Gamma's just sort of gone under the radar for me, although I feel like scum maybe doesn't go after Ausuka or Datisi, so I feel more townie on him than most.

I'm still sticking with Ausuka/Datisi/Scamper being town.

If we're not launching Marci I think Johnny is my preference, but I'm okay with Freedom

P-edit: @Gamma, I just feel stronger town on others. I've found some of your posts to be defensive and your reaction to the claims today initially pinged to me as though you believed them and were mad about them rather than being unsure and sceptical, which made me think you could be scum that's annoyed at the setup. I think I proooobably misread your tone in those posts, but ultimately I think you have higher odds of being town than say Johnny/Freedom/Marci, but I'm not as set on you as being town as say Ausuka or Scamper.

[Alexcellent]

VOTE: Freedom

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[Datisi]

i love how marci can put out a wall that's full of information that's factually untrue and that makes no sense from what would be her town!pov, and y'all go "yeah ok sure marci can be town"

time to pocket ausuka i guess



y-1

pedit: removed the freedom vote lole

intent

[Ausuka]

does marci/johnny make any sense

i am not 100% on freedom being scum bc i know that he knows how to post as scum, even if the situation is bad

so i'm not sure if i buy that he's avoiding the game bc he doesn't know what to post

idk this game is really difficult with absolutely nobody playing

Dats I would like to hear more about this rh9 meta

[Ausuka]

it would have been pretty hilarious if that was a lolhammer

[Gamma Emerald]

I had weird motives for my outrage at the perceived setup, that persist regardless of the veracity of anyone’s claim. Basically, there’s another player who commonly posts the type of stuff I posted here but almost exclusively as scum, so idk how to express my disdain except in a way that probably doesn’t read well. I felt like I had to express it tho because it’s become increasingly clear nothing is getting thru when that other player makes his comments.

[Gamma Emerald]

i love how marci can put out a wall that's full of information that's factually untrue and that makes no sense from what would be her town!pov, and y'all go "yeah ok sure marci can be town"

time to pocket ausuka i guess



y-1

pedit: removed the freedom vote lole

intent

What about it is untrue?

[Datisi]

Dats I would like to hear more about this rh9 meta

prism's guardians, i think open 840

he was scum and despite his team not doing great (they lost one point on keep, and i as the ic had the correct read on gate, which is game-losing for scum atp) kept being active and posting and trying to talk to me

so idk if scum! him would just shut down here. if he's strategically lurking, then i guess, but /shrug

[Datisi]

What about it is untrue?

no offense but did you read my response to it

claiming i'm sticking to you/marci solve and claiming i'm hiding behind her scumread, unlike what i did in invictus

neither are true and the last part makes no sense

[Gamma Emerald]

I do think there are valid criticisms tho like the gamma/Marci solve being extremely easy

[Datisi]

gamma

friend

buddy

pal

am i sticking to my gamma/marci solve? am i refusing to entertain anything else? do i even HOLD that solve right now???

[Ausuka]

prism's guardians, i think open 840

wow but there's no Datisi in this game. I wonder who that Tanner fellow is

[Datisi]

like what is this. "hey at one point you thought gamma/marci could be the scumteam. since then you gave up on that idea and progressed your reads further. unfortunately as that solve is very easy, you are now scum forever" like bruh

[Ausuka]

gamma/marci solve isn't even particularly easy, they both have decent activity

freedom/johnny would probably be the easiest solve, but tbh a solve being easy doesn't make it wrong

i think freedom/marci is my favourite team but like. I think it's probably not that. I don't have a massive amount of read confidence so to speak.

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma

friend

buddy

pal

am i sticking to my gamma/marci solve? am i refusing to entertain anything else? do i even HOLD that solve right now???

Not what I’m saying, I’m saying when that was your solve it felt like you weren’t actually solving and you just picked the two least townread slots in the game to push together with zero thought about partner equity
Regardless of what your solve is now, that feeling remains.

[Datisi]

you were defending marci on d1 with nonsense reasons and then switched to bussing her when you couldn't do so anymore, very good partner equity, i don't see the problem

[Gamma Emerald]

How were my reasons nonsense? Maybe you didn’t relate to them but you should at least know enough about me by now to know how I process scenarios.

[Datisi]

"marci is totally town here. if y'all kill her that's totally on you i don't care but she is totally town here"

i think you're town now so i do think there was Real Thoughts there, but you're not someone i'm willing to follow on reads just because you said so, and you gave zero explanations why she's town so that read is nothing to me

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m sorry did I give “zero explanation” or “nonsense reasons” for my marci TR? Those two statements feel at odds.

[Datisi]

they serve the same purpose in those two sentences

[Gamma Emerald]