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Best Bird · Post Post #10250 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:21 pm

In post 10247, Rad wrote:Ok so scum doc is possible, cool, good to know.

Let's suppose scum!Bella's doc claim is legit for a moment.

Does scum!Bella the doc target Bell as the one making the kill? Wouldn't scum!Bella the doc target the scum killer in case Bell is POG or something? Or maybe scum has an invest role and scum!Bella the doc sits on them just in case? Why is scum!Bella the doc killing Bell?

You’re overthinking based on hypotheticals instead of what has transpired.

Fun to analyze after the game.

Best Bird · Post Post #10251 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:22 pm

In post 10249, Rad wrote:Another question:

Does scum!Bella targeting X!scum who's going to kill Bell be seen as visiting Bell or X?

Not unless there’s a redirect.

Rad · Post Post #10252 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:22 pm

In post 10251, Best Bird wrote:
In post 10249, Rad wrote:Another question:

Does scum!Bella targeting X!scum who's going to kill Bell be seen as visiting Bell or X?
Not unless there’s a redirect.

Is the answer "Bell" or "X"?

Rad · Post Post #10253 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:23 pm

from the perspective of Tracker PD

RCEnigma · Post Post #10254 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:24 pm

Scum would have to be multitasking. But I think it really hinges on if Bella flavor makes sense as macho or not.

Best Bird · Post Post #10255 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:25 pm

Bella unless Bell was a lightning rod.

Rad · Post Post #10256 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:26 pm

My thought process here is scum!Bella the doc is on scum!X the killer who is going to kill Bell. Does PD see Bella visited X or Bella visited Bell?

Best Bird · Post Post #10257 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:26 pm

In post 10254, RCEnigma wrote:Scum would have to be multitasking. But I think it really hinges on if Bella flavor makes sense as macho or not.

Multitasking scum isn’t uncommon - but is certainly a choice in a game like this.

Best Bird · Post Post #10258 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:27 pm

In post 10256, Rad wrote:My thought process here is scum!Bella the doc is on scum!X the killer who is going to kill Bell. Does PD see Bella visited X or Bella visited Bell?

I’ve answered this.

Enchant · Post Post #10259 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:28 pm

Or Bella is just mafia made bad claim.

Mafia makes bad claims

JohnnyFarrar · Post Post #10260 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:28 pm

I'm trying to think if there was a moment where Juliette like refused medical treatment or something but gdi that show was so long ago

Best Bird · Post Post #10261 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:28 pm

Hey enchant is on point!

Rad · Post Post #10262 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:29 pm

Sorry BB I didn't see anything that answered it.

You said:

In post 10251, Best Bird wrote:
In post 10249, Rad wrote:Another question:

Does scum!Bella targeting X!scum who's going to kill Bell be seen as visiting Bell or X?
Not unless there’s a redirect.

which doesn't answer who it says she visited

and:

In post 10255, Best Bird wrote:Bella unless Bell was a lightning rod.

which the answer is "Bella"? did you mean "Bell?"

Lukewarm · Post Post #10263 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:29 pm

In post 10254, RCEnigma wrote:Scum would have to be multitasking. But I think it really hinges on if Bella flavor makes sense as macho or not.

I do think that juliet could be Macho. (I also think that Jake could be a macho doc as well to be clear) But i also don't see how any of it hinges on that.

If she is town, then the mod did not want two docs who could park on one another and become immortal.

If she is scum, the mod either had the above thought before the rand, and it is a hold over (and did not want to move it, because then town might wonder if the mod would really leave that as a possibility after mass claim, if neither doc was macho) . Or the mod did not want the town!doc to be able to save the scum!doc from the town!vig.

Both options seem perfectly plausible for the mod to make the role macho, and it seems completely irrelevant to me

Best Bird · Post Post #10264 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:31 pm

Love mobile…

In post 10255, Best Bird wrote:Bella unless Bell was a lightning rod.

Bella is seems as targeting X unless there is a redirect on Bella or Bell is a lightning rod.

Lukewarm · Post Post #10265 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:32 pm

@Rad.

Drap's tracker result says: Bella targeted exactly Bell, and only Bell, with anything that Bella used that targeted someone overnight.

I don't know how to make that any clearer, so I hope that helps.

Rad · Post Post #10266 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:33 pm

In post 10264, Best Bird wrote:Love mobile…

In post 10255, Best Bird wrote:Bella unless Bell was a lightning rod.
Bella is seems as targeting X unless there is a redirect on Bella or Bell is a lightning rod.

Ok thank you. I'll look up lightning rod but that's really overcomplicating it I think.

What this suggests to me is we can rule out the scenario where scum!Bella is targeting scum!X who is going to kill Bell.

I get that I'm "overthinking" this but if we're not going to think through all the scenarios and conclude which is the most likely one, let's just RVS till the end of the game. We've got some reads and claims and a red flip and if we just rush into flipping Bella here, why are we playing this game?

Best Bird · Post Post #10267 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:33 pm

In post 10265, Lukewarm wrote:@Rad.

Drap's tracker result says: Bella targeted exactly Bell, and only Bell, with anything that Bella used that targeted someone overnight.

I don't know how to make that any clearer, so I hope that helps.

I mean - if there was a redirect, Drap wouldn’t be notified.

Best Bird · Post Post #10268 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:34 pm

In post 10266, Rad wrote:
In post 10264, Best Bird wrote:Love mobile…

In post 10255, Best Bird wrote:Bella unless Bell was a lightning rod.
Bella is seems as targeting X unless there is a redirect on Bella or Bell is a lightning rod.
Ok thank you. I'll look up lightning rod but that's really overcomplicating it I think.

What this suggests to me is we can rule out the scenario where scum!Bella is targeting scum!X who is going to kill Bell.

I get that I'm "overthinking" this but if we're not going to think through all the scenarios and conclude which is the most likely one, let's just RVS till the end of the game. We've got some reads and claims and a red flip and if we just rush into flipping Bella here, why are we playing this game?

No…it isn’t rvs. It’s Occam’s razor (dear god I finally said it).

Enchant · Post Post #10269 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:35 pm

It was not redirect, otherwise why claim you was on Bell, if you was on someone else? Even as mafia, it's kind of dumb.

Rad · Post Post #10270 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:35 pm

In post 10265, Lukewarm wrote:@Rad.

Drap's tracker result says: Bella targeted exactly Bell, and only Bell, with anything that Bella used that targeted someone overnight.

I don't know how to make that any clearer, so I hope that helps.

Yup I got it Luke, I know what DP's result was. I was wondering what the result of scum!Bella targeting scum!X would be when scum!X went to kill Bell. And BB has answered that now too so we're good on that one.

I was trying to find a scenario where scum!Bella makes sense.

Best Bird · Post Post #10271 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:37 pm

In post 10269, Enchant wrote:It was not redirect, otherwise why claim you was on Bell, if you was on someone else? Even as mafia, it's kind of dumb.

Of course it wasn’t. Rad was asking hypotheticals.

Rad · Post Post #10272 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:38 pm

In post 10268, Best Bird wrote:
In post 10266, Rad wrote:
In post 10264, Best Bird wrote:Love mobile…

In post 10255, Best Bird wrote:Bella unless Bell was a lightning rod.
Bella is seems as targeting X unless there is a redirect on Bella or Bell is a lightning rod.
Ok thank you. I'll look up lightning rod but that's really overcomplicating it I think.

What this suggests to me is we can rule out the scenario where scum!Bella is targeting scum!X who is going to kill Bell.

I get that I'm "overthinking" this but if we're not going to think through all the scenarios and conclude which is the most likely one, let's just RVS till the end of the game. We've got some reads and claims and a red flip and if we just rush into flipping Bella here, why are we playing this game?
No…it isn’t rvs. It’s Occam’s razor (dear god I finally said it).

Nah everyone jumped on Bella without any analysis, is why I'm comparing it to RVS.

Actually Occam's Razor given the likelihood of Bella being an actual doc based on flavor is that town!Bella sat on Bell and Bell is macho so now he's dead.

You gotta deny Bella's a doc at all for there to be a better Occam's Razor cause the scum!Bella doc scenarios are complicated.

Best Bird · Post Post #10273 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:40 pm

Hard disagree. You are assuming modifiers to roles which create more complication.

Lukewarm · Post Post #10274 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:40 pm

In post 10267, Best Bird wrote:
In post 10265, Lukewarm wrote:@Rad.

Drap's tracker result says: Bella targeted exactly Bell, and only Bell, with anything that Bella used that targeted someone overnight.

I don't know how to make that any clearer, so I hope that helps.
I mean - if there was a redirect, Drap wouldn’t be notified.

I feel like that still falls under what I said. That would mean that the redirector changed her target to Bell. And she therefore targeted only Bell.

But this is also semantics on whether "Bella targeted" means "Bella submit a target on" or "in the end, bella's ability targeted"