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[UNOwen]

I'm not paranoid about either Crescent or Greeting, both are surely town.

What makes either of us "surely town"?

Greeting voting Meg early, explaining it was a serious vote before it was clear that Pooky was also serious, Meg's non-reaction to the initial wagon (I think he would have engaged with it more if he had a buddy on board). It looks very town and genuine to me.

You are town mostly because of your endless will to solve but also your activity at end of day 1, debating with Unsure, thinking about Fred/Meg and getting frustrated about the lack of anyone else being around. IMO scum already saw the writing on the wall for Meg by then, so that you thought it was dragging puts you in a clear town perspective.

[Crescent]

Considering gunsmith claimed to start day 2 for no reason like a dunce probably not.

[Andante]

Considering gunsmith claimed to start day 2 for no reason like a dunce probably not.

yeah... the claim and then just left for someone else to deal with the mess...

there were just a lot of words so I wasn't sure, uhhh D3 from me will probably be a lot like D2, idk. I kinda liked my UNO case. uhh I thought Fred was maf.. no of course the one spamming 3 VCs in a row was town. I do think town points for fire, like, "too scummy to be scum" looking back I thought that was a good line, but like, I also don't think Fire kills pooky n1, soooo yeah.

Can I hear people's UNO reads please?

[Crescent]

I don't think the writing was on the wall for Meg yet.

But also you kind of contradicted your own point.. If scum thought the writing was on the wall for Meg, scum should

want

to vote Meg in that situation, as very early hammers often benefit scum more than town. My vote was placed because it was dragging, but there's also a pretty clear potential scum motive for having placed it as well that you flat out just pointed out, especially when you combine that I was pairing Meg and Fred, and am the leading cause of why Fred died yesterday, when my vote didn't even end on him because he suddenly went from -3 to dead in a flash.

But yeah, that was pretty ridiculous that Lowell and I suddenly seemed to be the only two players interested in content and it's part of why I got townpings from him in the moment.. His behavior has also remained almost entirely consistent since them.


Uno felt like he was riding along the Fred train without.. Really backing it very much. He'd make comments such as I made a "decent" point against Enchant, but it didn't feel like he was really pursing them. I wouldn't vote him before Enchant, but he's someone I'd vote today.

About the only reason I ever gave him a townlean to begin with was under the premise of Fred being scum. He's also in that section of votes on Meg where scum is most likely to park a bus vote and see how it rides. Lowell and Prince are also in that section, but I don't think it's Lowell.

[Lowell]

Nah just living large come join tho

[UNOwen]

I don't think the writing was on the wall for Meg yet.

But also you kind of contradicted your own point.. If scum thought the writing was on the wall for Meg, scum should

want

to vote Meg in that situation, as very early hammers often benefit scum more than town. My vote was placed because it was dragging, but there's also a pretty clear potential scum motive for having placed it as well that you flat out just pointed out, especially when you combine that I was pairing Meg and Fred, and am the leading cause of why Fred died yesterday, when my vote didn't even end on him because he suddenly went from -3 to dead in a flash.

But yeah, that was pretty ridiculous that Lowell and I suddenly seemed to be the only two players interested in content and it's part of why I got townpings from him in the moment.. His behavior has also remained almost entirely consistent since them.

Well exactly, I believe you didn't think the writing was on the wall (and still don't). For me though Meg's 557 and subsequent absence was pure "scum knows it's over and attempts some WIFOM for post flip" and I imagine that the rest of the scum team had a similar perspective.

I don't follow your talk about a contradiction. Could you explain it again?

[Firebringer]

It was too much to ask to be night killed

okay what is up yall

[Crescent]

If you think scum thought the writing was on the wall, it makes objective sense for me as scum to place the vote on Meg when I did.

Though really, I've seen town go inactive for 30+ hours before under pressure here. I was basically trying to put him in "post or die" mode.

[Firebringer]

Can we expect malakittens to have caught up and give us some stuff to respond to today ?

[Firebringer]

Huh, I just got Fred instantly by breaking Fire's argument on him with minimal effort.

...And of course Enchant is the hammer. Here we go I guess.

do i get to blame u for my failing then

[Firebringer]

I'm okay with an Enchant elim. I think that one of my townreads is likely wrong. Could be Greeting, I suppose, but he might be right about Unsure.

VOTE: Firebringer

u seem to do this in a pattern of saying u will vote someone who is more likely to lim but then vote someone less likely to get lim.
Is there a psychological reason u do this or u just want ur voice more heard on the vanity reads?

[UNOwen]

If you think scum thought the writing was on the wall, it makes objective sense for me as scum to place the vote on Meg when I did.

Though really, I've seen town go inactive for 30+ hours before under pressure here. I was basically trying to put him in "post or die" mode.

Right, yes, that's not my point though. It's that I don't think your perception of the game at that time (no-one's contributing, just me and Lowell) was the perception you'd have if you were scum (who I believe were already looking ahead to day 2 at that point).

[Firebringer]

im pretty strong on greeting town and don't know where crescent was seeing buddying/pocketing from greeting yesterday or where the suspicion is coming form.

Just fear of deep wolf?

[Crescent]

Huh, I just got Fred instantly by breaking Fire's argument on him with minimal effort.

...And of course Enchant is the hammer. Here we go I guess.

do i get to blame u for my failing then

Yeah I wasn't actually trying to get you to vote him. I was just trying to show you your argument was bad.

Fred's vote is primarily on me in general. I should've listened to my gut and tried to nuke Enchant, but I'm often a coward when it comes to actually following my gut.

[Crescent]

im pretty strong on greeting town and don't know where crescent was seeing buddying/pocketing from greeting yesterday or where the suspicion is coming form.

Just fear of deep wolf?

Your "suspicion" of Crescent is a book scum tell, called trying to discredit obvtown people for bad reasons. I see no universe in which Crescent is mafia, and you seem to be the only player pursuing her with a flimsy explanation (769).

This is pretty obvious to me. It pinged me immediately - I just kept it in my pocket, much like I did with things regarding Elsa in 2273.

[Firebringer]

i mean i don't feel too bad for fred.
If fred wasn't going to wise up on reads it was only going to net negative for the town.
So while I am annoyed at myself for deciding i was being too stubborn. I didn't loose much sleep over it.

Fred can yell at me for it post game or something.

[Crescent]

Yeah the way Fred played he has 0 right to yell at anyone.

[Firebringer]

i guess thats indirect buddying?
usually when i buddy as scum i just say nice things about the person to them. While calling them town. Agreeing with them alot no matter their opinions.

I didn't see that beyond greeting saying u were town.

[Firebringer]

Yeah the way Fred played he has 0 right to yell at anyone.

the right to complain is universal!!

[Firebringer]

I am wondering why, in spite of being townread so widely, my reads, which I feel are very widely substantiated, are not being shared by the vast majority of players. The fact that there are players who supposedly townread me and whom I townread (

Crescent

comes to mind) and who for some reason keep refusing to work with me leads us nowhere. It's giving me a real headache and making me wonder if there is a point in me even speaking about my scumreads anymore.

And yes, some of you people who say are townreading me are lying scum who just know that there is not enough suspicion to scapegoat me and throw me out.

When have I

ever

said I townread you?

I have read your ISO very carefully and you are correct. You didn't call me a townread and my belief that you did was mistaken.

Nonetheless, I believe I am deserving of a townread for all my pro-town actions in this game. And if you think that I'm a scumread then I dare you to build an actual case against me and vote me out today instead of saying some deepwolf bs because you're being paranoid.

What a spicy post

[Crescent]

i guess thats indirect buddying?
usually when i buddy as scum i just say nice things about the person to them. While calling them town. Agreeing with them alot no matter their opinions.

I didn't see that beyond greeting saying u were town.

It's how strongly he said it.

[Enchant]

"Bruh if you scumread Mala, vote with us"
"nah"
*voted me before without problem*


I REGRET NOTHING

also cat scratched my hand, so I can't play anymore. It hurts.

... Okay it passed, but i am still pissed off on cats.

[Crescent]

Cats are love.

Cats are

life

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