LOST (Game Over)

[Mislim Bait]

I'd suggest an actual role cope on me?

you'd think its worth it to out a role cop just to prove a doc claim?

[Dancing Puppets]

why would we waste a track just to track them again

VOTE: Bellaphant
this just needs to go and ppl should stop speculating about roles with funny names in a non flip game.

Did you literally not read anything RAD just posted?


I think Bella’s probably town from everything RAD posted but her slot is resolvable if she’s telling the truth here. We need to do what RAD is suggesting. At the worst, we probably save Drap tonight and that means he can track either Bella or any slot he wishes. If we run up Bella, Drap probably dues tonight.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Meanwhile, Frogster is fuming in the dead thread

[Rad]

why would we waste a track just to track them again

VOTE: Bellaphant
this just needs to go and ppl should stop speculating about roles with funny names in a non flip game.

Garbage. We know flavor points to roles and should be taken into account. We don't know what alignment roles are so we have to consider that separately. If we ignore that we're ignoring valid information.

[Dancing Puppets]

I'd suggest an actual role cope on me?

you'd think its worth it to out a role cop just to prove a doc claim?

I do and I also don’t see why Bella - who isn’t doc - would request to be role copped, do you?

If Bella is town doc, her slot is resolvable, because I don’t see town!Bella doc living very long and this way, we probably save Drap tonight.

[Mislim Bait]

they got tracked to an nk
they claimed doc
it's not rocket science

what's the point of keeping them alive

[Rad]

Dp on point. Town Bella just dies tonight sitting on PD, or other doc saves her. Scum bella dies tomorrow not protecting PD. Or unlimited strongarm wrecks town cause OP as fuck

[Dancing Puppets]

Meanwhile, Frogster is fuming in the dead thread

I’m starting to think maybe he could have possibly been the target and not Dunn, if scum was afraid of his role cop? But at any rate, I think by leashing Bella on Drap, Drap probably survives the night. If he doesn’t, we lim Bella tomorrow and if she flips town, we know a strongman exists in this setup.

We deprive ourselves of valuable info as well as very likely losing Drap if we run her up today.

[Dancing Puppets]

why would we waste a track just to track them again

VOTE: Bellaphant
this just needs to go and ppl should stop speculating about roles with funny names in a non flip game.

Garbage. We know flavor points to roles and should be taken into account. We don't know what alignment roles are so we have to consider that separately. If we ignore that we're ignoring valid information.

+1

[Rad]

Yup dp, I'm with you on this plan. Unless something else comes out that makes more strategic sense.

[Mislim Bait]

theres literally no flavor flips wtf are people talking about

[Dancing Puppets]

Dp on point. Town Bella just dies tonight sitting on PD, or other doc saves her. Scum bella dies tomorrow not protecting PD. Or unlimited strongarm wrecks town cause OP as fuck

+1

Exactly, limming Bella today is anti-town when we can potentially save Drap tonight or confirm Bella!scum or know that a strongman exists and this is the only way to do all of this.

[Rad]

We don't need flavor flips when flavor is outted before the flip. What are YOU taking about mislim?

[Mislim Bait]

So what are the chances that bella actually stole her partners flavor instead? or they got a fake town claim with flavor?
or maybe they got a role cop on one of the dead towns role?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I've been thinking of a DP => Bella => DP sort of scenario for tonight. We can talk more about it tomorrow.

Taly's not going to get NK'd, I think.

DP tracks Bella target him and either Bella dies or someone random dies. Shows that Bella has the ability to target someone outside of a NK. If PD dies we flip Bella. Strongarm ruins this line of play I guess but so does flipping town!Bella so... we're betting on probabilities there.

I dunno if there's a smarter scenario to play out of... town!Bella... strongarm!scum... will think about it tomorrow or I'm sure someone else can think of it in the meantime.

Because Bella is likely scum - 10292

All this would tell us tomorrow is that Bella is scum, and then we'll have wasted a night of actions to learn what we already know today

[Rad]

Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

So what are the chances that bella actually stole her partners flavor instead?

I think this is likely, or that she is a doc but chose not to use it bc she did the NK instead

[Mislim Bait]

Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

role blocker exist iirc
which is why pd failed the track on csf d1

[Rad]

I've been thinking of a DP => Bella => DP sort of scenario for tonight. We can talk more about it tomorrow.

Taly's not going to get NK'd, I think.

DP tracks Bella target him and either Bella dies or someone random dies. Shows that Bella has the ability to target someone outside of a NK. If PD dies we flip Bella. Strongarm ruins this line of play I guess but so does flipping town!Bella so... we're betting on probabilities there.

I dunno if there's a smarter scenario to play out of... town!Bella... strongarm!scum... will think about it tomorrow or I'm sure someone else can think of it in the meantime.

Because Bella is likely scum - 10292

All this would tell us tomorrow is that Bella is scum, and then we'll have wasted a night of actions to learn what we already know today

Nah actually PD can target whomever. I thought he should target bella at first but really fuck it, he can target whomever.

If PD dies, Bella is dead tomorrow from us voting her.

If Bella dies, PD has more info.

[Dancing Puppets]

theres literally no flavor flips wtf are people talking about

Flavour and role are connected but not alignment so we don’t need role flips to figure this out. It’s basic logic. Assuming Bella is scum doc, why wouldn’t she use it on a buddy? Why does scum!doc Bella target town!Bell? But if Drap dies tonight despite us leashing Bella into him, we know that she’s either lying about being doc or if she flips town, scum probably has a strongman but Bella townflip would prove Bell had a macho modifuer I think.

We are also waiting on Taly slot to hopefully give us info wrt Bell’s flavour but it will take 3 days for Taly slot to get replaced at minimum but I think Bella slot is resolvable and barring any info from Taly replacement slot contradicting Bell being a possible macho, this is +protown.

If we run up Bella today, Drap very likely dies tonight and we are deprived of finding out in the event of a Bella townflip if scum has a strongman.

[Rad]

Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

role blocker exist iirc
which is why pd failed the track on csf d1

Ok if so, who does rb target?

If targets town bella, PD dies and we flip bella tomorrow. Same scenario for scum as if we flip town bella here.

If targets pd, bella dies and PD gains no info.

In both cases it only sucks for town Bella which is the same scenario as town flipping town Bella right now.

So in rb scenario, only town Bella suffers? Now if town bella is doc and we have second doc, chaos for scum.

Sorry sounds like broken English because phone.

[Dancing Puppets]

I just glanced over Bell's ISO. He actually read Taly as scum for most of the game, I think until the response to the gladiate. Even after that, in d2, he just told DP that he'd respect the Taly veto, which suggests to me that if the veto wasn't there he'd still consider voting Taly. I doubt he even told Taly any revealing info about his flavor given he believed his role matched his flavor.

This wait might be pointless.

Yeah probably right. If I were a macho and sr my neighbour, I doubt I would out it.

[Dancing Puppets]

Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

And if Drap dies and Bella flips town, we know a strongman exists.

Why is this so important? Because if strongman exists it means Frogs was probably the scum kill and not Dunn and this could be extremely important info for town to have.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Nah johnny let's be

Tank!

So down

[Rad]

Dp 10344 is on point

We must wait.

Find other scum in meantime. Bella resolves tonight potentially with PD safe or bella as tomorrow's flip. PD safe is highest priority here and if scum decides to leave them both alone tonight, they're fucked anyway.