LOST (Game Over)

[JohnnyFarrar]

Booo

[Dancing Puppets]

Dp 10344 is on point

We must wait.

Find other scum in meantime. Bella resolves tonight potentially with PD safe or bella as tomorrow's flip. PD safe is highest priority here and if scum decides to leave them both alone tonight, they're fucked anyway.

+1

If you’re voting Bella today, you’re essentially signing PD’s death warrant tonight because no way is scum not killing him tonight if they have a free and clear shot at it.

[Mislim Bait]

Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

role blocker exist iirc
which is why pd failed the track on csf d1

Ok if so, who does rb target?

If targets town bella, PD dies and we flip bella tomorrow. Same scenario for scum as if we flip town bella here.

If targets pd, bella dies and PD gains no info.

In both cases it only sucks for town Bella which is the same scenario as town flipping town Bella right now.

So in rb scenario, only town Bella suffers? Now if town bella is doc and we have second doc, chaos for scum.

Sorry sounds like broken English because phone.

They could just rb pd why would they need to kill bella?
if bella is town then they get free mislim and town would waste more time resolving bella.

we could just flip bella right now and if they flip scum the real town doctor protect pd and pd gets another shot on someone else
if bella flips town then the other town doc protects pd
if pd dies anyway then scum have strongman

I absolutely hate this kind of talk
I could already think of ways to wifom it as scum.

[Mislim Bait]

So what are the chances that bella actually stole her partners flavor instead?

I think this is likely, or that she is a doc but chose not to use it bc she did the NK instead

csf also got a point
they could be real scum doc but they have limited shot so they holster and did the nk instead

[Dancing Puppets]

Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

role blocker exist iirc
which is why pd failed the track on csf d1

Ok if so, who does rb target?

If targets town bella, PD dies and we flip bella tomorrow. Same scenario for scum as if we flip town bella here.

If targets pd, bella dies and PD gains no info.

In both cases it only sucks for town Bella which is the same scenario as town flipping town Bella right now.

So in rb scenario, only town Bella suffers? Now if town bella is doc and we have second doc, chaos for scum.

Sorry sounds like broken English because phone.

They could just rb pd why would they need to kill bella?
if bella is town then they get free mislim and town would waste more time resolving bella.

we could just flip bella right now and if they flip scum the real town doctor protect pd and pd gets another shot on someone else
if bella flips town then the other town doc protects pd
if pd dies anyway then scum have strongman

I absolutely hate this kind of talk
I could already think of ways to wifom it as scum.

Rb on Drap doesn’t affect Bella’s claim, so what’s your point? If Drap dies, we lim Bella. If she flips town, we know a strongman exists and implying RAD could be scum from this is whack. It is super protown.

[Dancing Puppets]

So what are the chances that bella actually stole her partners flavor instead?

I think this is likely, or that she is a doc but chose not to use it bc she did the NK instead

csf also got a point
they could be real scum doc but they have limited shot so they holster and did the nk instead

What part of Drap dying tonight means we lim Bella tomorrow aren’t you getting?

[Mislim Bait]

Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

role blocker exist iirc
which is why pd failed the track on csf d1

Ok if so, who does rb target?

If targets town bella, PD dies and we flip bella tomorrow. Same scenario for scum as if we flip town bella here.

If targets pd, bella dies and PD gains no info.

In both cases it only sucks for town Bella which is the same scenario as town flipping town Bella right now.

So in rb scenario, only town Bella suffers? Now if town bella is doc and we have second doc, chaos for scum.

Sorry sounds like broken English because phone.

They could just rb pd why would they need to kill bella?
if bella is town then they get free mislim and town would waste more time resolving bella.

we could just flip bella right now and if they flip scum the real town doctor protect pd and pd gets another shot on someone else
if bella flips town then the other town doc protects pd
if pd dies anyway then scum have strongman

I absolutely hate this kind of talk
I could already think of ways to wifom it as scum.

Rb on Drap doesn’t affect Bella’s claim, so what’s your point? If Drap dies, we lim Bella. If she flips town, we know a strongman exists and implying RAD could be scum from this is whack. It is super protown.

What do you mean implying RAD could be scum?

I'm saying that regardless of bella's alignment. Scum would always want her alive here and they have every means to disable the doc if bella is town
either through roleblock or strongman.
and based on the flavor talks we have a 2nd doctor?

[Dancing Puppets]

It’s super important to leash Bella tonight onto Drap, because if he dies and she flips town, we know strongman exists and that means that > rand chance Frogs was the actual scum kill and not Dunn.

Leashing Bella on Drap is the only way we can find this out, If we run her up today and she flips town, we never find that out.

[Enchant]

So we keep Bella alive, so she continue making kills and Tracker lives uselessly?

Of course no..

[Mislim Bait]

It’s super important to leash Bella tonight onto Drap, because if he dies and she flips town, we know strongman exists and that means that > rand chance Frogs was the actual scum kill and not Dunn.

Leashing Bella on Drap is the only way we can find this out, If we run her up today and she flips town, we never find that out.

So..
what if bella is town and they're quack doctor
what if scum have strongman but they didn't use it on frog
or what if bella is just caught scum
the more I talk about this the more I actually want bella dead

[Dancing Puppets]

Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

role blocker exist iirc
which is why pd failed the track on csf d1

Ok if so, who does rb target?

If targets town bella, PD dies and we flip bella tomorrow. Same scenario for scum as if we flip town bella here.

If targets pd, bella dies and PD gains no info.

In both cases it only sucks for town Bella which is the same scenario as town flipping town Bella right now.

So in rb scenario, only town Bella suffers? Now if town bella is doc and we have second doc, chaos for scum.

Sorry sounds like broken English because phone.

They could just rb pd why would they need to kill bella?
if bella is town then they get free mislim and town would waste more time resolving bella.

we could just flip bella right now and if they flip scum the real town doctor protect pd and pd gets another shot on someone else
if bella flips town then the other town doc protects pd
if pd dies anyway then scum have strongman

I absolutely hate this kind of talk
I could already think of ways to wifom it as scum.

Rb on Drap doesn’t affect Bella’s claim, so what’s your point? If Drap dies, we lim Bella. If she flips town, we know a strongman exists and implying RAD could be scum from this is whack. It is super protown.

What do you mean implying RAD could be scum?

I'm saying that regardless of bella's alignment. Scum would always want her alive here and they have every means to disable the doc if bella is town
either through roleblock or strongman.
and based on the flavor talks we have a 2nd doctor?

Oh sorry then I misinterpreted you again. Why would scum want to keep town doc Bella alive? And if your theory is correct that scum rbs her and kills Drap, we also find that out tomorrow. Either way - scum rb or strongman points to Frogs scumkill > Dunn but let’s say you’re right:

Scum Bella wouldn’t kill Drap tonight because that would be scum suicide. In the case of scum rbing town!Bella and killing Drap, we still have more info that points to Frogs being > rand being the nk > Dunn, so whether strongman ot roleblocker we still get info but scum!Bella won’t kill Drap here, so regardless of what Bella is, we have a chance at possibly saving Drap tonight. If we lim Bella, no we have 0 chsnce of that, especially if you think she’s scum.

And if there’s an unclaimed town doc, they could also be on Drap, so if scum rbs town!Bella and kills Drap, that would prove strongman, no?

[Dancing Puppets]

So we keep Bella alive, so she continue making kills and Tracker lives uselessly?

Of course no..

And what if she flips town and Drap dies anyway?

[Enchant]

So we keep Bella alive, so she continue making kills and Tracker lives uselessly?

Of course no..

And what if she flips town and Drap dies anyway?

She won't.

[Dancing Puppets]

It’s super important to leash Bella tonight onto Drap, because if he dies and she flips town, we know strongman exists and that means that > rand chance Frogs was the actual scum kill and not Dunn.

Leashing Bella on Drap is the only way we can find this out, If we run her up today and she flips town, we never find that out.

So..
what if bella is town and they're quack doctor
what if scum have strongman but they didn't use it on frog
or what if bella is just caught scum
the more I talk about this the more I actually want bella dead

Consider this as well, I recently ISO’d Bell and he didn’t even mention her as a possible sr, so that’s another thing that’s concerning me. If he had Bella a potential sr, I would be a lot less likely to think her claim could possibly be true.

[Dancing Puppets]

So we keep Bella alive, so she continue making kills and Tracker lives uselessly?

Of course no..

And what if she flips town and Drap dies anyway?

She won't.

Okay, I’m 100% convinced of this now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think I agree with DP and Rad. I said earlier that the Bella issue resolves itself and I still believe it.

We can continue scum hunting with the rest of the time we have and then go from there.

[Mislim Bait]

I'm not sure I get your obsession with proving a scum strong man.
this is a role madness with no flip and although minor the host still said that the game is bastard.
any talks about roles is a landmine

[Enchant]

So we keep Bella alive, so she continue making kills and Tracker lives uselessly?

Of course no..

And what if she flips town and Drap dies anyway?

She won't.

Okay, I’m 100% convinced of this now.

I am sabotaging any tryings to elim someone else.

[Bellaphant]

Booo

In fine to be on pd, but agree they should be on someone else, so we actually get info.

@miselim, I think the bastatrd is the dead people? Or there is some form of misdirect (I'm thinking about the black smoke)

[Dancing Puppets]

I think I agree with DP and Rad. I said earlier that the Bella issue resolves itself and I still believe it.

We can continue scum hunting with the rest of the time we have and then go from there.

+1

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=34613

Bell’s most recent posts that don’t even point to Bella. Drap had track on Bella, he’s not watcher, so it’s possible someone else killed Bell and it bothers me that when reading Bell’s recent posts, he’s not even mentioning her, let alone actually sr her. So her killing Bell specifically out of other possible slots, is really strange. People have said her doc on Bell doesn’t make sense but I’d argue that Bell doc makes way more sense than Bella killing a slot that wasn’t even sr her.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The points above don't really matter as it's a 4 person scum team. Scum decide together who to kill and it might have been a consensus kill from the other 3 for example. Bella, if scum, would be a decent enough choice to send out to actually do the kill, it doesn't mean she agreed with it or even wanted it.

[Dancing Puppets]

I'm a doc, hence I think there must be two from flavour, I was on rad n1 then bell.

Ok so I guess this isn’t entirely a redcheck then.


I Hardclaim Tracker


N1: CSF - Action Failed for some reason
N2: Bella visited Bell.

@Puppet

It’s possible wolves have Roleblocker that blocked me N1.

@Best Bird who did you talk to last night?

[Dancing Puppets]

The points above don't really matter as it's a 4 person scum team. Scum decide together who to kill and it might have been a consensus kill from the other 3 for example. Bella, if scum, would be a decent enough choice to send out to actually do the kill, it doesn't mean she agreed with it or even wanted it.

Maybe but if Drap is right about possibly being roleblocked n1, why would scum have Bella make the kill when they know that Drap was hard sr her?

[Mislim Bait]

Booo

In fine to be on pd, but agree they should be on someone else, so we actually get info.

@miselim, I think the bastatrd is the dead people? Or there is some form of misdirect (I'm thinking about the black smoke)

likely but you'll never know for sure and it's safer to assume that it isn't the only one in play.

Bella do you have any reads?
you sound way too calm for someone who correctly targeted the nk but failed to save and getting shit for it.
It's pretty easy to chuck all of your posts today as anti spew

[Enchant]

If mafia have roleblocker, why they even need kill Professor.

They just roleblockspam Professor and keep both alive.


Also Dancing again scumclaiming.