LOST (Game Over)

[T-Bone]

I dispute that Bella flipping town makes Drap town. It just makes him a tracker. How is that hard to understand?

[Rad]

Bella's alignment is NAI for Drap here, IMO

How this has all played out makes Drap town to me (though I already had a hard town read on him so it's whatever)

Let's just stop though, I think there's just some confusion going on here. You guys get to flip Bella soon so who cares, let's just see what happens. If Bella flips town and you want to push a scum case on Drap, go for it

[T-Bone]

I mean sorry, I'm sensitive to NAI stuff being used to clear people because that laziness helps town to lose.

And yeah there's an element of me not finding Drap to be particularly townie this game. Bella flipping scum kinda clears him in my mind. Bella not doesn't.

[Rad]

It's fine. I think we're just getting caught up arguing multi-level hypotheticals here. Let's take a step back and if Bella flips town, and you read that as Drap scum, you can push a case for that directly.

[Lukewarm]

But anyway just killing time till Talyslot speaks about Bell yeah?

We originally decided to wait for Taly because I wanted Bell's flavor.

But then I remembered that Toog already claimed Bells flavor.

I don't know that we need to keep waiting for Taly (she already claimed no additional role, so she wont have info for herself)

[T-Bone]

Yeah Rad filled me in so I voted.

[Lukewarm]

At best it's not alignment indicative

Imo, at worst it's not alignment indicative lol

Imagine living in a world where you make a claim that gets town mislimmed and then people town read you for it. Remind me to try this next time I am scum.

I mean go for it, but it only works if your claim is true.

It is true that Bella visited Bell.

Step one, learn incriminating information about a townie.
Step two, reveal incriminating information about that townie to the thread.
Step three, profit

[Lukewarm]

scum!Drap tracks town!Bella doc coincidentally to the NK. Ok!

Good luck setting up that pure luck scenario as scum!

Like... any scum!Drap scenario here is absolutely more ridiculous than any town!Bella doc scenario

Scum watcher would be the serious possibility for this.

Both Night Kill and Watch Bell

See Bella visiting Bell.

[butterchurn]

I mean sorry, I'm sensitive to NAI stuff being used to clear people because that laziness helps town to lose.

And yeah there's an element of me not finding Drap to be particularly townie this game. Bella flipping scum kinda clears him in my mind. Bella not doesn't.

The issue is that you were saying that Bella flipping town means Drap is the next flip. That's not arguing that it's NAI and he shouldn't be cleared, that's arguing that there is mechanical reason to be more suspicious of him if Bella flips town. And that's what people were disputing. I don't know if any reasonable person was arguing that Bella flipping town gives any mechanical reason to to be less suspicious of Drap.

You can suspect Drap on play all you want, and others can townread him on play. It is objectively not claim vs claim because the claims do not disagree.

[Lukewarm]

I dispute that Bella flipping town makes Drap town. It just makes him a tracker. How is that hard to understand?

I agree with you that he is not cleared by a Bella town flip.

But I disagree that it means should be flipped tomorrow.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

My PT partner brought up the fact that they don't trust me, that I could be scum, and that I basically asked for a free pass through Day 1.

For those not in the know, I was involved in a head on collision last Friday night. My kids were in the car with me. I was ambulances to the ER, but thankfully my kids walked away with minor injuries.

I am doing some daily physical therapy and we are working with lawyers and insurance right now, and in my down time I am trying to relax and rest.

I don't anticipate this being problematic beyond this week, but if people feel I'm getting a pass, or need to replace out, I will.

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I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.

My role is Shannon,

my partner is Boone

. We are in a PT called Kissing Siblings, which I don't recall them being incestual at all, lol.

At any rate, I will get to this eventually.[/quote]

https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Boone_Carlyle

Despite Jack's best attempts to save him, Boone realized he was going to die and told Jack to let him go.

[Enchant]

Imagine having scum!watcher and not watching masons to catch protective.

600IQ.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler:

My PT partner brought up the fact that they don't trust me, that I could be scum, and that I basically asked for a free pass through Day 1.

For those not in the know, I was involved in a head on collision last Friday night. My kids were in the car with me. I was ambulances to the ER, but thankfully my kids walked away with minor injuries.

I am doing some daily physical therapy and we are working with lawyers and insurance right now, and in my down time I am trying to relax and rest.

I don't anticipate this being problematic beyond this week, but if people feel I'm getting a pass, or need to replace out, I will.

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I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.

My role is Shannon,

my partner is Boone

. We are in a PT called Kissing Siblings, which I don't recall them being incestual at all, lol.

At any rate, I will get to this eventually.

https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Boone_Carlyle

Despite Jack's best attempts to save him, Boone realized he was going to die and told Jack to let him go.

[/quote]

[butterchurn]

Part of me wants to wait for Bella to post her readslist that she said she would make in her most recent post, but part of me thinks it isn't coming. She has 20 posts toDay, and all of them are about her claim with no real effort to sort anyone. The only one that says anything is 10003, which only really mentions two names and doesn't actually conclude anything.

And even if she does flip town, it's not like anyone here really is going to pay attention to dead townie readlists anyway.

VOTE: Bella

Haven't counted the votes, but in case she hasn't been hammered already by now.

[Lukewarm]

@Tbone

Spoiler:

Maybe this makes my stance more clear:

Thoughts if Bella flips scum

Does

Town!Drap

, upon seeing Bella visit the night kill, out that to the thread.

Absolutely.

Does

Scum!Drap

come out with a guilty check on his partner today?

Probably not.

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Conclusion:

If Bella flips scum, Drap is likely town, and I would probably not reconsider unless he is alive at elo

Thoughts if Bella flips Town

Does

Town!Drap

, upon seeing Bella visit the night kill, out that to the thread.

Absolutely.

Does

Scum!Drap

, upon seeing Bella visit the night kill, out that to the thread.

Absolutely.

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Conclusion:

If Bella flips Town, then revealing means little for his alignment, and we are back to judging him off of his play

I am distinctly disagreeing with you, that in the world of Bella flipping town, it means that drap is more likely to be scum because he revealed the Bella track.

Town!Drap reveals the Bella track, regardless of Bella's alignment.

[Best Bird]

Unofficial Vote Count Little Blue-Edition

11 Bellaphant (Enchant, Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, Best Bird, ProfessorDrapion, Cat Scratch Fever, MalcolmTucker, JohnnyFarrar, Mislim Bait, Off the Hook, T-Bone) *HAMMER*

Not Voting (Malakittens, Cytosine and Guanine, Taly, Bellaphant, Roden, Dancing Puppets, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad, butterchurn)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-08-05 20:52:15)

[Rad]

Ahh looks like T-Bone was actually the hammer.

Maybe Bella will get in here to post before day ends? Seeming unlikely though.

[Best Bird]

yeah - unless bella is loved, t-bone hammered.

[Rad]

BB always gets these unofficial vote counts in RIGHT before I get mine in cause I have to step through page by page counting them...

[Best Bird]

i mean - i'm doing the same thing

[Rad]

Ah I figured you guys had some software that sorts through them automatically to generate that VC

[Dancing Puppets]

People sheeped my reads in Chromavalon and I have sheeped dead town Chara’s and others, so it’s not necessarily true that dead trs are ignored but a readslist from Bella would have been helpful. What I don’t understand why Bella is so chill about this? I’d be flipping out here and wanting to make sure whomever I thought was scum pay for my miselim. But her reaction really doesn’t make much sense from either alignment.

@Butter

[Lukewarm]

There is a website you can use, but it requires you to put some extra stuff in a spoiler tag in the first post in order to tell the website what it is doing.

STD does not have that in the OP, so this is a count by hand game

[butterchurn]

People sheeped my reads in Chromavalon and I have sheeped dead town Chara’s and others, so it’s not necessarily true that dead trs are ignored but a readslist from Bella would have been helpful. What I don’t understand why Bella is so chill about this? I’d be flipping out here and wanting to make sure whomever I thought was scum pay for my miselim. But her reaction really doesn’t make much sense from either alignment.

@Butter

If she's scum then she knows she's dead. Focusing on mechanical discussion is a good way to avoid creating any unnecessary associations if she's not confident in her ability to fake those under pressure. I agree that her reaction doesn't make sense from town, but I think it does make sense from scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bella been antispewing all day i dunno whats hard about this