Micro 1059: Micro & Normal Stuff | GAME OVER

[Ausuka]

also my two scumreads are on that wagon

[MegAzumarill]

I think the best way to move forward is to L-1 datisi. Days move faster with the threat of a lolhammer on the horizon, and if it does come the second day also moves fast. So i invite the miller to cast their vote, or anyone who wants to be the best player in this here lobby

"bruh" is how I feel and will leave it there

[Ph0enix]

You might think this locks them into a claim, but they can just retract the claim, say they were joking.

Can they? I mean, they can, theoretically, but I don't think you can play that card and just retract a claim on the pretext "It was RVS" or something similar. It would look strange. My point was that I think it locks them into a claim and betting on a potential fakeclaim is better than choosing at random.

Frankly, I haven't played with a Miller or in a setup where Miller as a role is an option. It's just my logic, so feel free to elaborate further if you think it can convince me otherwise.

I feel like it shouldn't be difficult to believe that a townie might townread someone who shares their perspective and says what they're thinking before they say it. This line of questioning feels like busywork to me, honestly.

Line of questioning? I only responded and didn't leave it at that because you were seemingly perplexed as to why I am asking the question in the first place. Whether it's TR-worthy that someone says what you are thinking before you say it I think is a playstyle question. I don't see how me disagreeing with that sentiment is a problem. Also, I assume you're scumreading me (cause the other ones on Dat's wagon are Xayah, whom you SR, and Don, whom you haven't mentioned or spoken with, so I'll assume I'm the other SR) primarily because of our last interaction which I kinda get, but why Xayah? The only thing she did was say you are overreacting. How is that vote-worthy?

[Datisi]

i kinda think phoenix is townie

i am interested in the why

i like 39 from ausuka

I'm not really sure I get why you're asking so many questions without putting in much work yourself.

being at work and sneaking posts while my manager isn't looking has that effect

i think xayah is town because i struggle seeing scum have the 45 into 48 progression that she did. like, if she was gonna try to claim ausuka is scummy for making 3 posts about miller being the worst role in the world, which is false, i feel like she doesn't then immediately back down from it once she's questioned on it. if she's scum, she knew she was talking bullshit with the claim in 45; and if she knew that, i don't think she backs down from it at first sign of struggle.

I don't recall ever seeing a miller be in a micro, but if you have experience with a micro with a miller, please link me.

funny you should say that - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=79835

also i feel like we both know that nrg passes all kinds of shit, and seeing a miller in a micro feels like on the lower end of the weirdness scale?

I would like this day to last a long time so I can flirt with Dats more.

yet you're not flirting with me at all

curious

Do you think questioning me about whether mindmelding is a good towntell is going to help solve my alignment?

I don't think it's a good towntell, and in case it's not, your TR-ing Meg may just be an early attempt at pocketing as far as I'm concerned.

this first sentence doesn't really follow into the second i think

like, it seems to try to imply that ausuka is automatically scum for making a "bad towntell" despite not really thinking about whether ausuka is a townie that's just wrong. yes i know he said "may" there, it gives off a different vibe.

[Ausuka]

I don't think claiming miller would be funny and I'm not going to retract my claim.

I was perplexed why you were asking the question because I think the question sounded like busywork, given that my read wasn't even naked and the question didn't dig any deeper into it or respond to what I wrote. I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with my read on Meg, but again I didn't get the vibes you were approaching the conversation with the mentality you were trying to catch scum which I didn't like.

Again, I've already explained the read on Xayah. If you think the explanation is somehow inefficient that's fine, but it seems like what you're actually doing is asking questions to look protown without really caring about what you're asking about.

[scamper]

I think the best way to move forward is to L-1 datisi. Days move faster with the threat of a lolhammer on the horizon, and if it does come the second day also moves fast. So i invite the miller to cast their vote, or anyone who wants to be the best player in this here lobby

no, and i dislike this a lot

[Datisi]

I think the best way to move forward is to L-1 datisi. Days move faster with the threat of a lolhammer on the horizon, and if it does come the second day also moves fast. So i invite the miller to cast their vote, or anyone who wants to be the best player in this here lobby

mmm i really hate this. i feel like lolhammers aren't really uncommon, and lolyeeting a townie on day 1, 3 pages in, would be Not Really Good. don hasn't expressed actually being suspicious of me, so i'm assuming this is supposed to be a "for the pressure" vote, but like. what does he think it's gonna achieve in terms of my posting if i'm at y-2 or y-1?

[Datisi]

lol

scamper town?

[Ausuka]

i think xayah is town because i struggle seeing scum have the 45 into 48 progression that she did. like, if she was gonna try to claim ausuka is scummy for making 3 posts about miller being the worst role in the world, which is false, i feel like she doesn't then immediately back down from it once she's questioned on it. if she's scum, she knew she was talking bullshit with the claim in 45; and if she knew that, i don't think she backs down from it at first sign of struggle.

I don't think she knew she was talking bullshit with the claim in 45, even if she's scum. I think her making that mistake makes it more likely she's scum because it indicates she isn't really trying to read my posts and sort me.

[Datisi]

also i have a vibe townread on megazumarill and i will not elaborate

[Ausuka]

datisi feels town i guess

[Datisi]

i think xayah is town because i struggle seeing scum have the 45 into 48 progression that she did. like, if she was gonna try to claim ausuka is scummy for making 3 posts about miller being the worst role in the world, which is false, i feel like she doesn't then immediately back down from it once she's questioned on it. if she's scum, she knew she was talking bullshit with the claim in 45; and if she knew that, i don't think she backs down from it at first sign of struggle.

I don't think she knew she was talking bullshit with the claim in 45, even if she's scum. I think her making that mistake makes it more likely she's scum because it indicates she isn't really trying to read my posts and sort me.

i dunno

the way i see it, i'm more likely to be careful when making an accusation like that as scum, because i don't wanna come off like i'm pushing bullshit when i didn't intend to push bullshit

while as town i care less because i have faith in being able to scream my way into being townread again

i am projecting but /shrug

[Ph0enix]

i kinda think phoenix is townie

i am interested in the why

your approach struck me as overcautious town, and i think zeroing in specifically on the way someone worded something that bothered you is +town

Again, I've already explained the read on Xayah.

Which post is that? I don't see anything that sounds like an explanation.

[Ausuka]

idk maybe i'm just salty about being pushed for something that didn't happen and her calling me overbearing for pointing it out

VOTE: Phoenix

[Datisi]

phoenix kinda feels like he's trying to be ~logically correct and consistent~ without having the actual fire behind his posting

does that make sense? i hope that makes sense

scamper, what do you think

my way too early solve is 2 in {phoenix, done, coral}

[Ausuka]

I mean, I knew the miller claim would look suspicious and I'm willing to take some flak for it but

I know we probably won't vote the miller claim day 1 but I do think Ausuka's reaction to rolling miller seems a tad overblown here.

How is it overblown lmfao I literally just said 'I'm a miller'

VOTE: Xayah

the 3 posts talking about it as if it's the worst role in the world

This literally never happened

I think this makes it pretty clear why I scumread Xayah???

To clarify - she pushed me for something that didn't happen and I thought that showed she didn't care to sort me properly and that's scum indicative.

[Aristeia]

i am sad dats doesnt think I am flirting with him at all >_<

[Datisi]

i thought it was just your first post

but upon opening your iso, i notice 15 also exists and basically i am dumb i'm sorry :<

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats<3

[Xayah]

What about my post do you think needs elaboration? I thought I explained myself fine. Meg is seeing what I'm seeing, I think that makes them more likely to be approaching the game with an uninformed mindset.

Considering the content you've posted so far I don't really think the stuff Meg has posted is so on the nose that it 100%=Comes from a villager. While I do think that way of townreading people is iffy, I esp think it depends on the type of content in question.

[Coral]

On Ausuka, I personally lean slightly town on the claim. I think it would draw too much unwanted attention for her to be willing to fake it.

Why? She loses nothing from claiming it (unless shes rolecopped ig). As far as claims go, its definitely safer than claiming VT anyway, the suspicion will blow over in a day max

Maybe I just trust the vibe that she seems genuinely feeling rather "bruh" about the situation. It's a very well-faked tone if it is fake, since it leaks into her other posts as well. As scum she would probably be laughing internally at going for a silly gambit like that, and I don't feel any undertones of suppressed laughter.

I recognize that this is reading a lot into it, but I personally think it's fair to do so in this situation

[Ph0enix]

To clarify - she pushed me for something that didn't happen and I thought that showed she didn't care to sort me properly and that's scum indicative.

I don't think you can call 2 posts in which she explains how you're overreacting pushing. Sure, she implied voting you in the first post, but I think that's overwritten by the fact that at the end of the day she didn't vote you, or SR you, for that matter (at least she didn't state it explicitly).

The next question is if that wasn't a push, why point this out in the first place? I don't have an answer to that, though.

If she didn't care to sort you, I don't think she would have backed down as easily as she did, that's my problem with that reasoning.

[Coral]

Phoenix's persistence is slightly towny, I think. As scum he would probably recognize that he isn't really getting townread for his approach and may change tactics. I do agree that he sounds a little stiff, but that may just be a personality or writing style trait.

[Ph0enix]

phoenix kinda feels like he's trying to be ~logically correct and consistent~ without having the
my way too early solve is 2 in {phoenix, done, coral}

What's Coral doing in there?

[Coral]

VOTE: Aristeia