Large Normal 240: Baileyposting [game over]

[Datisi]

vote count 3.07

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-08-02 23:30:00).

yeet

Prince of Paterson [5]:

Enchant, Lowell, Andante, Vivax, Crescent

Enchant [4]:

Prince of Paterson, Unsure, Greeting, UNOwen

Vivax [1]:

geraintm

Malakittens [1]:

Firebringer

not voting [2]:

MalcolmTucker, Malakittens

mod notes

~ Lowell is v/la till wednesday
~ this is a mod note.

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[Crescent]

I have a brief amount of time to post but I can't read any but I see Greeting posted, and I'm guessing he focused on Enchant.

What I want from him is to explain Prince. His early ISO is effectively saying "Prince is in my POE" several times, while never giving a read on him.

He then ignores the guy exists for about 830 posts before suddenly yelling "But Prince is town!" when he actually gets pressured. We've had a lot of people get pressured seemingly at random in recent days.

I've been saying Prince is a top two scum option for me all day. I'm not the only one to scumread him for a long while, either. I want a convincing explanation of where this town read in #1518/1519 just came from because it feels both

very

conveniently timed and lackluster, on a guy he hadn't talked about once in any capacity since #886.

[Vivax]

1771 post I need to EBWOP.
Wrongly calling out the wrong ones in places lol, took me the votecount to see that. Thanks to everyone who has at least voted.

MT and MK are left to make up their mind.

[Andante]

Enchant [4]: Prince of Paterson, Unsure, Greeting, UNOwen

My SRs are... voting together???

[geraintm]

Why am j being dishonest Vivax?
I think you are scum.
You've not actually replied to anything I said about you, you have just said I'm dishonest.

Within game context. I hope that goes without saying.
I just don't see the point of stalling the phase even if you think I'm mafia.
Surely there's someone you think is town in the game who has made a suggestion you can follow along when your own doesn't get traction, but maybe you just honestly like the phase to last as long as possible?

you are telling me to sheep someone else. you think i am trying to stall today by voting for you?

[Vivax]

Why am j being dishonest Vivax?
I think you are scum.
You've not actually replied to anything I said about you, you have just said I'm dishonest.

Within game context. I hope that goes without saying.
I just don't see the point of stalling the phase even if you think I'm mafia.
Surely there's someone you think is town in the game who has made a suggestion you can follow along when your own doesn't get traction, but maybe you just honestly like the phase to last as long as possible?

you are telling me to sheep someone else. you think i am trying to stall today by voting for you?

No, maybe you have other intentions. A wagon on me by a townie could cause a mafia to join you on it.
Maybe you play 4D chess? I don‘t know, but I don‘t really believe that you would really believe I have more scum equity over the other two wagons.

[geraintm]

but i do believe it. i have written a bunch of posts about it. i think you are the person in this game, with the knowledge i have, to be most likely to be scum.
i get that right now no one else is voting for you, but i have to get it out that you are who i want gone most. others might read my posts and agree with me, they may not, but im oing my best

your response though to "follow someone else who has made a suggestion" - that is awful!

[Vivax]

Well I certainly hope you are mafia when having that opinion, cause if you‘re town and think I can play scum like this, you also believe I can bend spoons and ride on carpets lmao

[Firebringer]

i think its fairly obvious i have no influence on anyone this game to make any elim i want happen

Hopefully everyone understands now how wrong this was. I don't think you had any reason to take control of the game previously, but you are clearly capable of doing so whenever you decide you want to. This is why I think you as scum would kill Pooky. He would be your main threat for denying you that position after he successfully caught a scum on day 1, and now he can be a martyr who also happened to be your buddy.

Even with my suspicion of you I'm swayed by the charisma and would be willing to vote alongside the Bear Avengers, so you are obviously very effective.

i think you are massively over selling me here.

This has got to be the most uncooperative, paranoid and idle town

if you want to form a coalition of mutually townread players so we just vote as a block i am open to doing that so we can stop with the negativity.
But you and crescent need to stop being at each other throats.
I can play neutral third party to get u two to get along.

@crescent how about it?

I am very obviously willing to work with others. Not so sure about

Crescent

.

@Crescent ball is in your court. How can I resolve your issues with greeting so we can move on to better and greater fights. Like fighting Ultron.

Okay I want to join Firebringers avengers it sounds fun. What do I need to do?

be strong townread to lock for me. its called a town block - you haven't been townie to me all game.

[Firebringer]

Enchant [4]: Prince of Paterson, Unsure, Greeting, UNOwen

My SRs are... voting together???

Hey Andante I made several posts at you. Don't do the ignore thing.
I want you on the bear avengers and u to have fun here.

[Unsure]

Fire why are you calling Enchant town but not putting them in your avengers

[Firebringer]

My enchant town is stipulated on malakittens scum.
Even if i did have a strong enough townread on enchant to say its locked. Do you think I can work with enchant at all today?

[Unsure]

be strong townread to lock for me. its called a town block - you haven't been townie to me all game.

no one wants to lim my scumreads so i never had the chance

[Andante]

Enchant [4]: Prince of Paterson, Unsure, Greeting, UNOwen

My SRs are... voting together???

Hey Andante I made several posts at you. Don't do the ignore thing.
I want you on the bear avengers and u to have fun here.

I saw all the "andante do something"

I mean, you being the only vote on malakittens isn't exactly doing anything

no thanks, I want no part in bear avengers, there's a bunch of scum there

[Unsure]

curious why you dont think i'm townie. obviously im a bit biased.

[Unsure]

Calling unsure town for now

doesn't seem like "all game" to me

[Greeting]

I have a brief amount of time to post but I can't read any but I see Greeting posted, and I'm guessing he focused on Enchant.

What I want from him is to explain Prince. His early ISO is effectively saying "Prince is in my POE" several times, while never giving a read on him.

He then ignores the guy exists for about 830 posts before suddenly yelling "But Prince is town!" when he actually gets pressured. We've had a lot of people get pressured seemingly at random in recent days.

I've been saying Prince is a top two scum option for me all day. I'm not the only one to scumread him for a long while, either. I want a convincing explanation of where this town read in #1518/1519 just came from because it feels both

very

conveniently timed and lackluster, on a guy he hadn't talked about once in any capacity since #886.

I will tell you why my read on

Prince

changed from sceptical to more towny than scummy, but only if you show goodwill by at least reading my posts before jumping to conclusions. I was very patient to work with you, but now I am pissed off and I won’t give before getting something in return.

Even while scumreading

Unsure

, I read all of his posts and knew his stances, I was just choosing not to react to them.

[Firebringer]

be strong townread to lock for me. its called a town block - you haven't been townie to me all game.

no one wants to lim my scumreads so i never had the chance

There have been people i townread that don't convince me of any of their reads...

Enchant [4]: Prince of Paterson, Unsure, Greeting, UNOwen

My SRs are... voting together???

Hey Andante I made several posts at you. Don't do the ignore thing.
I want you on the bear avengers and u to have fun here.

I saw all the "andante do something"

I mean, you being the only vote on malakittens isn't exactly doing anything

no thanks, I want no part in bear avengers, there's a bunch of scum there

Who do you want to work with to get an elim off. Because looking outside at your efforts here i see alot of emotion at not getting to the wagons/ people lim you want, but no reach out to actually work with anyone to make it happen.

So do you not think of a strategy or idea of how ur convincing anyone and just hope ur complaining will get u there? I have made no progress and i blame that on me literally not trying to work with anyone and now i am trying so i think i will make progress on ~something~ maybe not my pref lims but i don't see u convincing anyone of anything.

curious why you dont think i'm townie. obviously im a bit biased.

Calling unsure town for now

doesn't seem like "all game" to me

i was specifically on the person previously in ur slot and not u specifically. I was looking at the interactions on meg. Kind of ignoring the context of me calling u town there, but w/e.

[Unsure]

i do think you're probably town or at least playing to your meta. great to see you form a townblock and step up as leader which i've been waiting for and my towntell of u.

[Unsure]

fire can i interest you to an enchant lim instead? i do think enchant is playing his scum meta and town enchant puts out a grittier fight than this. mostly with insinuations of other parties being idiots. but scum enchant rolls over and anti-spews which is what we're seeing now.

[Vivax]

Prince I don‘t know what your read on MT is at this point after having a look at your ISO.
Apologies if I missed it, but that‘s relevant if you are calling FB mafia for pre-pushing Malcolm.

Crescent casing Greeting so extensively and then voting Prince confuses me.

You're right that on a surface level it is confusing, but Crescent likes to find associations prior to flips, there's already a wagon on me, and she has prior suspicion of me. The point about Greeting only really makes sense if Greeting is defending me as a scum partner, anyway. So I think it's a reasonable thought and a reasonable vote.

Of the four people I called town, Malcolm is probably the one I'm least confident on, but I do still believe him to be town.

I just realized how funny it is that someone with such polished, detailed posts as Prince is keen on defending one of the votes on their wagon that acted inconsistently in the process.

TMI level: Defending own voters

(possibly)

[Greeting]

@

Vivax

Crescent

's vote on

Prince

is not really about him, but about me. Deep inside she believes I'm a deepwolf and she's spending a lot of effort to find evidence to support that claim, and hopes that

Prince

flips red so she can find an argument to support her belief, while refusing to challenge it (also known as confirmation bias).

But right now I think that

Prince

is more likely town than scum, and I believe that this view should be, to an extent, shared by most. This slot should be left in the game unless it is like Day 5/Day 6 and town has absolutely no idea where to go next. But if

Prince of Paterson

is scum, I think this is a deepwolf slot and he should be given the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

[Vivax]

The opinion that Prince of Paterson shouldn‘t be considered as possible mafia until later when we elimmed less vocal scumreads was also one I shared earlier in the day.

My choice was UNO, but I have to adapt to other opinions as well, and think I would rather be on this wagon than Enchants.

[Prince of Paterson]

Prince I don‘t know what your read on MT is at this point after having a look at your ISO.
Apologies if I missed it, but that‘s relevant if you are calling FB mafia for pre-pushing Malcolm.

Crescent casing Greeting so extensively and then voting Prince confuses me.

You're right that on a surface level it is confusing, but Crescent likes to find associations prior to flips, there's already a wagon on me, and she has prior suspicion of me. The point about Greeting only really makes sense if Greeting is defending me as a scum partner, anyway. So I think it's a reasonable thought and a reasonable vote.

Of the four people I called town, Malcolm is probably the one I'm least confident on, but I do still believe him to be town.

I just realized how funny it is that someone with such polished, detailed posts as Prince is keen on defending one of the votes on their wagon that acted inconsistently in the process.

TMI level: Defending own voters

(possibly)

An inconsistency it is not. If you took some time to give what I said and the situation some careful consideration, you would see that. Crescent did the same thing with Fred, see 1142 and others. I think it's a dangerous way to play that can lead to wrong assumptions (for example, her assumption that Enchant and I are scum together), but it is consistent with her playstyle. And in this situation, it would be illogical for her to vote Greeting first.

[Andante]

I will sheep Vivax here. if vivax wants to go to UNO I'm down. Consider Vivax a double voter. that's how confident I am that vivax is town, like, if I'm confident in a single read this game, it's vivax!town!!!

Vivax gets what Vivax wants here!!