Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

[Ausuka]

When I think of Gamma in this game it's a big fog of eh. Can't remember anything they've done honestly.

I guess this is kind of eh

It seems kind of difficult to believe Johnny legitimately doesn't remember anything Gamma has done this game, Gamma was one of his major scumreads from d2 to early d3, I think he kind of dropped it at d3 so like on a surface level this team makes a lot of sense

I will go check out the day 3 gamma wagon

The problem I have again is like ... I just feel strongly that the way Marci has been treating me today is not even close to good faith and wouldn't come from town her

I guess this specific tell would work with Marci/jf with jf manouvering to a convenient position on gamma

I know you're probably not on right now but I'd like to hear a bit more of your opinion here scamper? Like, about why you think this is the team, why you think marcistar isn't like highly probable mafia based on her behaviour today and why Johnny kills alex?

I don't want to be like demanding but if you're town your analysis would be super useful I think. if Marci is town I am going to struggle to see it a lot.

[Ausuka]

I guess one problem I have with Marci/jf is jfs entrance

I don't think JF needs to open the way he did at wolf. Like it feels so counterintuitive to push on me and then instantly flip. I know this will sound weird after what I said to scamper but if JF was Sus of me at the very start of the day before Gamma kinda started flipping I'd be suspicious of that as well. It just the way he came in saying Ausuka is a wolf and then immediately flipping seems totally unnecessary and counterintuitive. I think scum JF probably decides on a strategy before posting on whether or not he Busses Marci? Is that too overthinky?

[Ausuka]

Maybe that is too overthinky. It's very possible scum JF just kind of goes with the flow in the same way town JF would

[Ausuka]

I feel like, with the caveat I have more rereading to do, I'm here right now

Marci/scamper 40%
Marci/Johnny 40%
Marci/gamma 10%
Johnny/gamma 10%

and I think any other scumteam exists an insignificant amount of the time

[marcistar]

im not scum

[Ausuka]

im not scum

Ok well

I'm not scum and scamper is very unlikely to be scum unless it's *specifically* with you, so

[Ausuka]

Scamper roughly how much of the time do you think it's Johnny/gamma here

(For some reason this post had a quote of your RVS vote, luckily I pressed preview, I don't understand this forum)

[Ausuka]

Because like

I understand your concern and I'm concerned too I don't want to lose the game

But if Marci is scum, and I think it's very likely that she is, I think it would be helpful to have a significant amount of time where I have that basically confirmed and I can reread with knowledge that Marci is scum in this Day phase. If that makes sense.

[marcistar]

im not scum

[Ausuka]

Ugghhh don't make me repost the votecount thing

[marcistar]

Yeah

I mean, before I talk, I am going to do a deeper dive into your iso and especially interactions with marci before we end the day, as I said I'm not just going to random Lim you for being good at scum.

But I think the way you played your cards early today was scummy. Like, rationally I would understand being paranoid of me here. But I think you're one of the only people who wouldn't be, and I think it's very convenient for you to keep your options open at the start of the day - especially if you're scum with Marci, for example, because in that scenario there's a very obvious path to victory where Gamma votes for me and it's useful to pressure me. While I'm obviously not an expert scum player, I feel like even if you were planning to townread me eventually, it's a good idea for you as scum to play up the paranoia aspect so I feel more pressured and would townread you more if you came to my rescue so to speak.

None of this would matter much if I thought you were likely to express that paranoia as town but again you're one of the only people who I believe wouldn't do that. This would always be +scum but there are explanations that would be at least somewhat believable. However, when I asked you about it earlier, you seemed aware that you shouldn't really be expressing suspicion of me here and called it stupid and backtracked. I think fundamentally you did not think I had any idea who you were, and I think that's why you took the approach you did at the start of the day.

I also tend to think you work well as a Marci partner. Your push on her d1 was good, and I need to run a double check on everything I'm saying here because I'm not super confident in it but I don't think your interaction with the Marci wagon late d1 was that towny - you pushed Corwin heavily instead, which obviously isn't a fault with town you because Corwin was indeed scum but mafia you did not know that. jF and gamma are fine with me pushing Marci, which yeah could indicate they are scum together, but if they're not it points more to you since I think in elo bussing rates tend to go down a lot - I can see scum you going for a JF elim here and I think player to player that's a fight you win a big majority of the time if that makes sense.

im not scum

Ok well

I'm not scum and scamper is very unlikely to be scum unless it's *specifically* with you, so

[Ausuka]

?

[marcistar]

i said what i said

git gud

[Ausuka]

If scamper is scum it's with you , I stand by that

Scamper/Gamma and scamper/Johnny make like no sense to me as teams

[marcistar]

ur scum

[Ausuka]

Scamper are you seeing this

Do you *really* think town Marci trolls me like this
Like I know it doesn't make much sense for scum on the surface either but I think it's much more likely she's scum who doesn't fe confident in faking a genuine thought process and is therefore trying to just take refuge in audacity and make up nonsense like she has been all game

[Ausuka]

man hold on lemme get serious for a min

im town

im not scum

im not scum

i said what i said

git gud

ur scum

Subject: Mafia Invictus Redux - Lamborghini Mafia Hideout PT

me: im totally gonna do x later tonight guys!!!

also me: *doesnt do it*
thats how u know im not vibing : (

[marcistar]

im not trolling wtf rude

[marcistar]

key word

NOT VIBING

never said "thats how u know im scum" try reading next time honey xx

[Ausuka]

Like I think you are town like a very respectable amount of the time so I am willing to wait for you to come on and talk this out

But I have intent to vote for Marcistar soon.

pedit: you are so trolling

you're not vibing because you're scum, that's clear from the context tbh, I mean you talked about how you hate rolling scum and that you were making up BS in the same PT

[Ausuka]

I hope the dead pt isn't screaming at me too hard

I'm trying my best ok

[JohnnyFarrar]

Johnny I feel like you kinda flipped your reads on me and scamper around very quickly and as much as I prefer things this way I'm curious what changed?

I was legit thinking out loud. Elo paranoia makes me suspicious of everyone, but when I lay out all the information the answer I arrive at os gamma/Marci. You don't make sense as partners with anyone and Scamper really only makes sense with Marci.

I understand I'm also a question mark to y'all, but I don't have that problem. There's no way Marci isn't scum here.

Huh, I mean, I suppose that makes sense? You're a difficult read

Do you mind sharing more about Marci/gamma read? I thought you were on Marci/scamper? I don't want to rule out Marci/gamma, I mean Datisi liked that solve and he's better at the game than I am but like at the end he townread Gamma I think, and I also townread Gamma right now for reasons I think I've explained. Like, at points he's felt like really self righteously frustrated with me and I'd be impressed if that was fake. And I think the reason I'm alive is that scum probably thought Gamma was going to vote me.

I guess my thought process just isn't going that deep right now, when I look at who's left there is no pairing that makes sense without Marci in it. Scamper or Gamma

could

be the partner. I think Gamma is more likely because Scamper is pretty townie, but I think Scamper has more partner equity with Marci specifically

[Ausuka]

I mean like, I think you need to have some idea of what you want to be doing in 3p if we Lim Marci, she reds and I die right?

[JohnnyFarrar]

In theory, yeah, but that's assuming the scum kill isn't wild again.I thought you were gonna die last night but then it was Alex.

Might be worth looking into who had the most to gain from the night kills at this point, actually

[scamper]

Scamper are you seeing this

Do you *really* think town Marci trolls me like this
Like I know it doesn't make much sense for scum on the surface either but I think it's much more likely she's scum who doesn't fe confident in faking a genuine thought process and is therefore trying to just take refuge in audacity and make up nonsense like she has been all game

i have no idea anymore...

i thought the earlier petulance in the face of pressure was maybe a townie thing but i cant seem to get any actual substance out of her and idk what shes doing anymore