Large Normal 240: Baileyposting [game over]

[Andante]

Prince of Paterson [5]: Enchant, Lowell, Andante, Vivax, Crescent
Enchant [4]: Prince of Paterson, Unsure, Greeting, UNOwen
Vivax [1]: geraintm
Malakittens [1]: Firebringer

not voting [2]: MalcolmTucker, Malakittens

these people off wagon. I wanna address this before we end the day. I understand if it's day 1, but here we're on day 3. Mala just voted the leading wagon, threw that to e-1...

but I think there's something with these 4. and like, at least 1 maf in them.

gerain/Fire/Malcolm/Mala

like, they're just trying to stay out of everything... so if we lim town, like we most likely will, they "had no part in it"

idk, I'm not a fan of 4 people not really voicing opinions one way or the other

[Andante]

is it too late to flip to this?

VOTE: Malcolm

cause, that's where my mind is going right now... by doing nothing, he knows he'll get "hammer" so if the wagons are T/W, he can easily just hammer the town...

[Andante]

FancyPants* - lurk idk
Vivax - troll town
MalcolmTucker - prob maf
Greeting - idk always failed at reading
Firebringer - hot null would't care to vote
Fredrick A Campbell - can afford to die
Dwlee99* - lurk
Crescent - eh idk
Lowell - prob town
bugspray - always failed at reading
PookyTheMagicalBear - always mafia
geraintm - prob maf
UNOwen - idk i started yawning at this guy, pretend that's there's something funny drawn at next 3 persons and i call it a day, too much effort for me
Prince of Paterson
Andante
MegAzumarill

Going back to Enchant's reads list, not sure you'd typically expect huge detail, but this is really hedgy in particular - one confirmed scum just left out completely too.

You're going to have to do better than a post almost the entire game dismissed as NAI within 100 posts of it being made to justify saying Enchant is your #1 scum read. This is a really weak point to be latching onto.

I've said quite openly my justification here is I'm really, really struggling for scumreads and by process of elimination Enchant is starting to look like possible scum to me. Do you not agree the reads list is pretty meh?

cause as someone said, Malcolm is saying he SRs Enchant, but isn't voting Enchant? like, something is very off right now... I just can't say exactly what

[Crescent]

Prince of Paterson [5]: Enchant, Lowell, Andante, Vivax, Crescent
Enchant [4]: Prince of Paterson, Unsure, Greeting, UNOwen
Vivax [1]: geraintm
Malakittens [1]: Firebringer

not voting [2]: MalcolmTucker, Malakittens

these people off wagon. I wanna address this before we end the day. I understand if it's day 1, but here we're on day 3. Mala just voted the leading wagon, threw that to e-1...

but I think there's something with these 4. and like, at least 1 maf in them.

gerain/Fire/Malcolm/Mala

like, they're just trying to stay out of everything... so if we lim town, like we most likely will, they "had no part in it"

idk, I'm not a fan of 4 people not really voicing opinions one way or the other

This is exactly why I questioned him most specifically given he had Enchant as scum all day but felt like he practically ignored the wagon.

Yay I actually managed to get back to sleep.

[Andante]

like there's a bunch of posts subtly pushing enchant, but there's no actual commitment to that read. Most everyone else is voting someone, there's 2 major wagons, Malcolm has no interest in commenting on it.

like, all this is in addition to the D1 thing I will never forget with how malcolm talked to me, I think malcolm has to be maf. I really do. and hey, no better time than now to throw a wagon there

[Vivax]

Fairly curious to see if DWLees only scumread was correct.

Which was that Ench with readslist=scum

[Andante]

Prince of Paterson [5]: Enchant, Lowell, Andante, Vivax, Crescent
Enchant [4]: Prince of Paterson, Unsure, Greeting, UNOwen
Vivax [1]: geraintm
Malakittens [1]: Firebringer

not voting [2]: MalcolmTucker, Malakittens

these people off wagon. I wanna address this before we end the day. I understand if it's day 1, but here we're on day 3. Mala just voted the leading wagon, threw that to e-1...

but I think there's something with these 4. and like, at least 1 maf in them.

gerain/Fire/Malcolm/Mala

like, they're just trying to stay out of everything... so if we lim town, like we most likely will, they "had no part in it"

idk, I'm not a fan of 4 people not really voicing opinions one way or the other

This is exactly why I questioned him most specifically given he had Enchant as scum all day but felt like he practically ignored the wagon.

Yay I actually managed to get back to sleep.

Yeah I read what you said, and looked at "enchant" in his ISO, and.. not sure why there's suddenly 0 opinion on enchant... idk, we have the enchant/prince wagons, which kinda just killed the game, so I'm interested in some spice right now, like, wanna get Malcolm? cause it's DAY 3. and malcolm is currently the only one voting no one, like 48 hours left... DAY THREE... voting no one??

[Andante]

Fairly curious to see if DWLees only scumread was correct.

Which was that Ench with readslist=scum

I wan malcolm flipped

[Vivax]

The prospect of rebuilding a wagon from scratch is too terrifying for me to try to go Malcolm atp

[Crescent]

To be perfectly frank, I've been worried about Greeting ever since I saw his day 2 POE - Notably the sustained inclusion of Bugspray. All I saw Bugspray as at the time was a player scum still desperately wanted to try to find an excuse to vote off because they're so bad at mafia.

Anyway... Not a lot seems to have actually happened. Greeting getting angry at me is actually... Kind of a good look on him.

People have differing degrees of attention they pay to what is going on. Some players in here, and that also includes

bugspray

have a way of making posts that I find inherently offputting and I pay very little attention to them. Which is the reason why I missed

bugspray

's claim, but when others have pointed out that he made a claim I corrected that mistake.

Now, I have no idea why some people keep raising the issue of

Lowell

being a scumread when

bugspray

literally towncleared him as all mafia members should yield in a red gunsmith check. But if I can miss stuff, other players can miss it too, especially in a game with so many players that is rather slow-paced.

Oh I actually agree with the whole ignoring Bugspray thing. I didn't notice the Gunsmith claim right away either. My take was simple even before that, though: Scum don't set up a player that worthless at the end of day 1 to look better with an awkward late countertrain - They set up a player who actually has value. The only scum motives there would've been genuinely trying to murder a bad player, and I was wary of anyone who still pushed them.

Also you kinda have a way of posting that triggers me. It's like I get the feeling that some of your posts don't actually say as much as they look like they do.

[Andante]

The prospect of rebuilding a wagon from scratch is too terrifying for me to try to go Malcolm atp

it's not like there's an actual wagon at the moment, it's 2 sides that are extremely against changing their mind, but I promise you there's more than 1 scum left...

[Crescent]

I wouldn't argue it killed the game.. I'd argue it did the opposite. Essentially nothing happened for like a week until we got to Enchant and Prince leading wagons. That's why his omission now is so glaring.

[Crescent]

Though side note I am also voting no one right now as I unvoted to take Prince off of -1.

[Andante]

Lowell hasn't posted in 2 entire days... I thought prods were 36 hours.. thus I showed up daily to prod dodge... yeah... game is kindaaa dead

[Andante]

Though side note I am also voting no one right now as I unvoted to take Prince off of -1.

ok why do I care?

[Crescent]

like there's a bunch of posts subtly pushing enchant, but there's no actual commitment to that read. Most everyone else is voting someone, there's 2 major wagons, Malcolm has no interest in commenting on it.

like, all this is in addition to the D1 thing I will never forget with how malcolm talked to me, I think malcolm has to be maf. I really do. and hey, no better time than now to throw a wagon there

I called him out on how lacking his Enchant push was at the time, and I've been anti-Enchant all day.

I just want to know why he avoided the train, as he's directly said he doesn't see the argument for Prince being scum. It feels like a contradiction to not have his vote down on Enchant.

[UNOwen]

Now, I have no idea why some people keep raising the issue of

Lowell

being a scumread when

bugspray

literally towncleared him as all mafia members should yield in a red gunsmith check. But if I can miss stuff, other players can miss it too, especially in a game with so many players that is rather slow-paced.

:/

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at least one member of the mafia is a doctor, and they may or may not have modifiers.

[UNOwen]

I agree that Malcolm sitting on his vote is strange.

[Vivax]

The odds that at least one of the wagons on Ench and Prince is on mafia seem pretty high to me. In TvT wagons a hammer would likely happen earlier.

And their partners not too unlikely to be on the sidelines waiting for everyone to mindgame themselves out of their vote before they decide to vote with the majority.

[Vivax]

If you are town and voting outside of the two you should really ask yourself the question: 'Who am I currently helping?'

[Crescent]

In fairness, MT has played frozen and you just personally pointed out that scum is more likely to play frozen here.

[Vivax]

Fiiine, you have a point there.
We can make it three, but it was already very tedious to make it two wagons. Fingers crossed, and the host cursed, for having to count all these votes.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

[Crescent]

Oh I wasn't planning to actually vote Malcolm there, just pressure him... Though he hasn't posted in about 26 hours after said playing "frozen".

...But if he wants to keep being inactive into prod territory, that might make it a different matter.

[Greeting]

Now, I have no idea why some people keep raising the issue of

Lowell

being a scumread when

bugspray

literally towncleared him as all mafia members should yield in a red gunsmith check. But if I can miss stuff, other players can miss it too, especially in a game with so many players that is rather slow-paced.

:/

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at least one member of the mafia is a doctor, and they may or may not have modifiers.

Oh, I had no idea a Mafia Doctor does not have a gun in flavour in Normal games.

[Greeting]

To be perfectly frank, I've been worried about Greeting ever since I saw his day 2 POE - Notably the sustained inclusion of Bugspray. All I saw Bugspray as at the time was a player scum still desperately wanted to try to find an excuse to vote off because they're so bad at mafia.

Anyway... Not a lot seems to have actually happened. Greeting getting angry at me is actually... Kind of a good look on him.

People have differing degrees of attention they pay to what is going on. Some players in here, and that also includes

bugspray

have a way of making posts that I find inherently offputting and I pay very little attention to them. Which is the reason why I missed

bugspray

's claim, but when others have pointed out that he made a claim I corrected that mistake.

Now, I have no idea why some people keep raising the issue of

Lowell

being a scumread when

bugspray

literally towncleared him as all mafia members should yield in a red gunsmith check. But if I can miss stuff, other players can miss it too, especially in a game with so many players that is rather slow-paced.

Oh I actually agree with the whole ignoring Bugspray thing. I didn't notice the Gunsmith claim right away either. My take was simple even before that, though: Scum don't set up a player that worthless at the end of day 1 to look better with an awkward late countertrain - They set up a player who actually has value. The only scum motives there would've been genuinely trying to murder a bad player, and I was wary of anyone who still pushed them.

Also you kinda have a way of posting that triggers me. It's like I get the feeling that some of your posts don't actually say as much as they look like they do.

That's okay, I'm not offended. I've been told that I phrase my thoughts in a weird way.