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[Enchant]

Hold up, i need to look at something.

[Enchant]

Alright i looked Day 2, Malcolm was mostly abstent and just naked voted Fred in the end. But i never noticed "I Townread Enchant" even before from him. At best i was Null.
On this day he opened with "Enchant is my first suspect". Considering it's Gamma (who was locktown for everyone i believe) died, then i think same conclusion he supposed to had at moment of night...


So.
Malcolm, why you didn't shot me? DID YOU TOWNREAD ME? And if so, what SUDDENLY changed after Gamma death?

[Malakittens]

we want to lim one of the easiest testable roles in the game?

[Crescent]

I slept too much earlier in the day and I'm having trouble staying asleep now because of it. I also kinda think I'm getting shot tonight and have a feeling this day might be ended when I'm at work. Let's do my 3am phone post from bed thing and get some excess energy out.

MT being scum would make Unsure's town stock go way up, and play into my vibe day 2 that he was the same alignment as Fred. He's been trying to kill this guy for most of the last two days.

It's possible Greeting and I were bashing over lists of people that may all actually be town, though this doesn't sell me on Enchant the way it does Prince.

..Except Mala, especially given her only comment was parroting Fire making a point I shot down before Fire even made it in the first place.

It feels easy, but MT/Enchant/Mala would actually perfectly explain their combined actions in the last 48-72 hours.

MT claims SR of Enchant, but refuses to vote him. Mala claims TR of Enchant just because. She comes out of the woodwork to push Prince to -1, but can't get the hammer. Mala then pops in a while later to loosely defend the claim in a way that piggybacks off a town member. She sticks her neck out to defend both scumbuddies, but has no strong reason to be on town Prince as she hasn't actually made an argument to call anyone scum. Malcolm can't go there and contradict his entire day, so he dodges the trains and refuses to bus Enchant, hoping the Prince hammer comes quickly. Enchant sees the MT momentum coming for doing this, and quickly hops on, hoping it will just eventually blow over. He doesn't feel like he can ignore MT outright the way MT ignored him. MT makes a terrible claim, and Enchant feels forced to attack him for it.

But really, MT/Mala/Any other weak vote clinging to Prince (Like Lowell) has a solid chance of being your team if MT scumflips here. The only serious difference is MT simply went frozen when Enchant/Prince popped up as town/town fueling each other.

So basically we get a scumflip here and it's probably Mala + Another vote on Prince... And looking at the old votals the odd ones out there to me are both the aforementioned Enchant and Lowell.

Gera and Fire both being on splinters looks bad, but one's been VLA and the other both hasn't posted in like 32 hours, and isn't acting how I'd expect him to as scum.

I could possibly see the Enchant train being pure on an MT scumflip, but the Prince train... No. There's with virtual certainty at least one scum there, if not both. The more time has passed since I dropped my vote on him, the stronger my feeling has become that scum is trying to vote him off today. I've totally lost interest in this train at present.

In any case, Mala has 25 posts in nearly two full game days, and has yet to produce any argument for calling anyone scum. She is defending someone I think is scum, and is voting someone I now believe scum is trying to kill. There's very little benefit of the doubt to still give here, if any, given the complete and utter lack of genuine hunting for scum. I would wager she's scum, and at least one of the two players in the game she's defended is also scum.

..I always have more to say than I think I do with these 3am miniwalls.

[geraintm]

So, catching up. That was odd.
When it comes to roles I've never seem before (and I've never seem this) I tend to follow what others are saying because I don't understand how the roles should be used (I've had problems myself in thr past on not knowing how best to use my role).
I am inclined to follow Crescent here because they are a better player than me

[geraintm]

Checking my thoughts on Malcolm from my own ISO

Happy to vote Meg here given the arguments being presented.

VOTE: Meg

did you hammer after i explicitly unvoted to give them time to claim?
naughty point for you.

I then said later i would be happy with a Macolm elimination - i really, really hated that hammer

i later respond to malcom when they ask about crescent

that is pretty uch it. i had barely any interaction with them, and that initial hype there was about them after the Day 1 hammer disappeared and the game went elsewhere.
They were on both Wagons, so there is that.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Malcolm
i am trusting others about the value of this elimination. i know i hate others sheeping other votes, so call me out on that but this is one of those weird times where i am out of my depth and acknowledge that but trust in the hive mind

[Datisi]

vote count 3.09

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-08-02 23:30:00).

yeet

MalcolmTucker [6]:

Andante, Vivax, Enchant, Unsure, UNOwen, geraintm

Enchant [3]:

Prince of Paterson, Greeting, MalcolmTucker

Prince of Paterson [2]:

Lowell, Malakittens

Malakittens [1]:

Firebringer

not voting [1]:

Crescent

mod notes

~ Lowell is v/la till wednesday
~ this is a mod note.

flavour

[Datisi]

nudging Lowell.

[MalcolmTucker]

Alright i looked Day 2, Malcolm was mostly abstent and just naked voted Fred in the end. But i never noticed "I Townread Enchant" even before from him. At best i was Null.
On this day he opened with "Enchant is my first suspect". Considering it's Gamma (who was locktown for everyone i believe) died, then i think same conclusion he supposed to had at moment of night...


So.
Malcolm, why you didn't shot me? DID YOU TOWNREAD ME? And if so, what SUDDENLY changed after Gamma death?

Because I'd not been confident enough to eliminate someone yet. I've made that pretty clear.

[MalcolmTucker]

I wasn't just going to casually eliminate a townie unless I was close to certain they were scum when there was no consensus on who said player should be.

[MalcolmTucker]

we want to lim one of the easiest testable roles in the game?

This is exactly it. I can literally prove overnight I am town. If I fail to hit someone it means they are scum. If you don't trust me, you eliminate me the following day, find out I am indeed the vig, and then eliminate scum the following day. It's easy for garnering info.

[MalcolmTucker]

I understand that mechanically, we keep him alive and let scum kill him we can see what happens overnight yadda yadda but i really dont want to do that when it's glaringly obvious that Malcolm is scum here.

Except it can't be glaringly obvious though because I am not scum. If I was going to falsely claim scum why would I pick a role that's disprovable pretty quickly? At best I buy myself one day in this hypothetical scenario. I'm rubbish at claiming roles anyway, if I was going to false claim I wouldn't make up a vig role with a specification where I can only successfully eliminate town.

[Enchant]

So shoting me is bad, pushing me for death at day is good?

OPPOSITE.

[MalcolmTucker]

Actually I'd specifically claim a vig with a special feature, but refuse to expose what that feature was, only to reveal it if someone I shot didn't die.

Also, he still didn't even bother to vote Enchant or anything, yet he made 3 separate posts for his claim. This suggests he's more focused on making his claim stick than he is in actually hunting scum.

I've made it quite explicitly clear multiple times this game that I've been struggling for reads and have been TR'ing more players than is really viable, I've just really struggled to get a sense of this game and where things are at. I apologise for that but I'm not going to pretend I have more reads than I do just to be townread because that'd be dishonest. I'd argue as scum I'd be much more likely to be careful and sensible about my positioning around other players.

Anyway, eliminate me if you prefer, I'll come back town and you'll have miseliminated a townie when their role is provable.

[MalcolmTucker]

So shoting me is bad, pushing me for death at day is good?

OPPOSITE.

We have to eliminate someone during a town phase typically. When we pick to eliminate someone, if they are town they have the chance to reveal if they have a role and that stops us from a mislim. With vig they don't get the chance to do that. I'm often hesistant/not particularly confident in my reads. I'm not going to vig someone with a potentially crucial role overnight, that's stupid.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE:

Most annoyingly, it's fits Malcolm.

[Vivax]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Enchant

Might as well put a vote down given no threat of hammer currently.

Actually I'd specifically claim a vig with a special feature, but refuse to expose what that feature was, only to reveal it if someone I shot didn't die.

Also, he still didn't even bother to vote Enchant or anything, yet he made 3 separate posts for his claim. This suggests he's more focused on making his claim stick than he is in actually hunting scum.

I've made it quite explicitly clear multiple times this game that I've been struggling for reads and have been TR'ing more players than is really viable, I've just really struggled to get a sense of this game and where things are at. I apologise for that but I'm not going to pretend I have more reads than I do just to be townread because that'd be dishonest. I'd argue as scum I'd be much more likely to be careful and sensible about my positioning around other players.

Anyway, eliminate me if you prefer, I'll come back town and you'll have miseliminated a townie when their role is provable.

UNVOTE:

Most annoyingly, it's fits Malcolm.

This is a turn of events that makes me go hmm

Vote on Enchant
AtE posts from Malcolm
Enchant unvotes (after claiming vigilante too)

2 mafia fakeclaims at once?

[UNOwen]

Malcolm you are not like your namesake at all.

The only way your role is provable is if you kill a townie at night, which you've just said you don't want to do for the risk of hitting a PR.

[UNOwen]

+1 to all of Crescent's comments about the claim, don't trust it for a second

Malcolm/Lowell/Malakittens looks like a pretty good solve to me.

[UNOwen]

Enchant unvotes (after claiming vigilante too)

I didn't see any claim?

[Vivax]

I am Hagrid.

How the hell you suspect Hagrid.

Have you watched Harry Potter, scamp?
Hagrid was a notorious criminal. Maybe well intented, but still a criminal

I am Vigilante.

[UNOwen]

Oh ok

[Enchant]

IT WAS BLATANT JOKE OH GOD

[Vivax]

IT WAS BLATANT JOKE OH GOD

Would you be yeeted over MT here? What's the point of downplaying MTs elim over yours? We have stalled enough.
What are you, Richard Stallman?