LOST (Game Over)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I was talking in relation to trusting other people's reads, but sure.

I said Math could be scum and voted them multiple times. Sure, I didn't end up on the elim wagon but at least my read was right.

Your slot has been wrong on two confirmed scum so far. Not even just slightly wrong either, like go to bat for them wrong. So, yeah, not comparable.

[Best Bird]

Hey Roden - can you go back to being like the Roden who existed between posts 9803 and 11126? Plskthx.

You react REALLY badly to pressure

as scum

to outright idiocy, holy shit

ftfy

[Best Bird]

pretend the strikethrough went through properly and struck "to pressure" as well.

[butterflies]

I was talking in relation to trusting other people's reads, but sure.

I said Math could be scum and voted them multiple times. Sure, I didn't end up on the elim wagon but at least my read was right.

Your slot has been wrong on two confirmed scum so far. Not even just slightly wrong either, like go to bat for them wrong. So, yeah, not comparable.

I voted Math on. d1 and I don’t see how wanting to wait for a replacement makes me scum. Maybe not if you’re scum here.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, and I was staying busy scum hunting while waiting for a replacement, too. So, doesn't that negate your previous post?

Your slot said Math was 80% town and that was at start of D2 I believe.

[butterflies]

OK, and I was staying busy scum hunting while waiting for a replacement, too. So, doesn't that negate your previous post?

Your slot said Math was 80% town and that was at start of D2 I believe.

If you want to go 1v1 with me, I seriously hope you’re town doing it and that’s all I’m going to say about that for now. I find your push on my slot +scum because of the obvious hypocrisy wrt your reasoning.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why are you so worried about my read?

[butterflies]

Why are you so worried about my read?

It’s mine because I was starting to lean possible town on you and now I’m once again questioning that. You were never a clear for me but I’m not tr your push on me.

[butterflies]

I understand I have to wait for a fair few people to die before I start pushing Butterflies so I just have to be patient with that one.

You shouldn't trust other people's reads either; especially when they're scum

Remember, they had Math at '80% town' and 'hard TR' Bella, too.

This post in particular reads really scummy to me.

[butterflies]

I understand I have to wait for a fair few people to die before I start pushing Butterflies so I just have to be patient with that one.

You shouldn't trust other people's reads either; especially when they're scum

Remember, they had Math at '80% town' and 'hard TR' Bella, too.

This post in particular reads really scummy to me.

VOTE: BBT

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You don't see how I could possibly think you're scum in this game? I mean, there is no reason to elim you from my PoE and on top of that you heavily town read both flipped scum.

Like, how do you not understand where this read could come from?

PEdit - Why is it scummy?

[butterflies]

You don't see how I could possibly think you're scum in this game? I mean, there is no reason to elim you from my PoE and on top of that you heavily town read both flipped scum.

Like, how do you not understand where this read could come from?

PEdit - Why is it scummy?

Because you never hardpushed Math, you kept looking for other wagons and also defended Bella, so I struggle to see how your push on me is a real town thought coming from you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I didn't hard push Math, no. In fact, I probably haven't hard pushed anyone and I have stated why my play has been the way it has multiple times already.

The only times I looked for other wagons was when Math was being replaced. What is the point in an idle vote/push when gaining no more information?

I did defend Bella, yeah. I have explained that, too.

[butterflies]

I understand I have to wait for a fair few people to die before I start pushing Butterflies so I just have to be patient with that one.

You shouldn't trust other people's reads either; especially when they're scum

Remember, they had Math at '80% town' and 'hard TR' Bella, too.

This post in particular reads really scummy to me.

VOTE: BBT

This post is scum indicative because you’re already trying to set up my miselim in advance. If you were town here, you be wanting to re-evaluate after those other flips and say something like that but no, you’re already locked on me as scum before you even see those flips. I don’t see how town ever thinks like this.

[Best Bird]

I didn't hard push Math, no. In fact, I probably haven't hard pushed anyone and I have stated why my play has been the way it has multiple times already.

The only times I looked for other wagons was when Math was being replaced. What is the point in an idle vote/push when gaining no more information?

I did defend Bella, yeah. I have explained that, too.

I mean - that's the point. There are similarities in that you both defended scum and didn't vote for the wagons on flipped scum yet you are scum reading butterflies for it while saying "oh I have explained it" for you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean, I told you that openly? Why would I do that as scum? Just state my entire game plan for the world to see, hahaha. That's silly.

I understand because of the meta circle we have in this game that elimming certain people (you being one of them) is difficult with x amount of people alive who won't consider you scum until D8 or some shit and nothing else starts to make sense.

Then people say 'Huh, maybe my meta read of X that I held on to for 750 pages is actually wrong and maybe they could actually be scum because of x, y and z.' That's when town's eyes are open to ALL possibilities. I have to wait for that to happen and I'm cool with that. I'm not going anywhere any time soon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

have explained that, too.

I mean - that's the point. There are similarities in that you both defended scum and didn't vote for the wagons on flipped scum yet you are scum reading butterflies for it while saying "oh I have explained it" for you.[/quote]
Hi there,

I understand you feel the need to come and defend your scum buddy. However, as I previously stated, my reads on Math and Bella are simply not comparable to Butterflies.

I hope this clears things up for you.

Thanks for stopping by.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know how I did that.

[Best Bird]

How do you feel about Mathblade BBT.

Math can be scum.
I didn't like Corwin's original read on me as default scum and I don't like Math's push on me Today at all. I'm sure he was another who tried to frame the night actions as pointing to scum!BBT

C and g too. In my head I get hung up on only one of them or math can be scum but that's not mechanicalky true is it

I don't know. I think it would be weird for Math AND C&G to be scum and be in a neighbourhood. Like, that literally makes no sense at all.

Can I interest you in a C&G vote, Bella?

Malcolm absolutely shouldn't be today's elim.

C&G is still a fantastic option though

Yeah, they're apparently in a hood together.

What's the case for scum!Math?

We just gonna ignore how hedgy DP were with Math yesterday and how they tried to run me up to counter him?

Cool. Cool.

Feels pretty pot/kettle to me.

yw - it's been a fun visit

[butterflies]

I didn't hard push Math, no. In fact, I probably haven't hard pushed anyone and I have stated why my play has been the way it has multiple times already.

The only times I looked for other wagons was when Math was being replaced. What is the point in an idle vote/push when gaining no more information?

I did defend Bella, yeah. I have explained that, too.

I mean - that's the point. There are similarities in that you both defended scum and didn't vote for the wagons on flipped scum yet you are scum reading butterflies for it while saying "oh I have explained it" for you.

+1

Yeah exactly. Had BBT just left it as I’m going to keep butterflies in my PoE until I see those other flips, that would be fine but to say he’s waiting to push me but needs a few flips first - without seeing what those flips even are, is just gross.

And that’s on top of the illogical thought progression based on his hypocritical read.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hi again BB,

You will see that what you have quoted is not what we were discussing but for the sake of clarity, I shall address it.

I looked at other wagons once Math was being replaced. It seemed pointless to leave my vote on Math and not do much else while waiting.

I hope this clears things up for you.

Thanks for stopping by. Again.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

DP running me up to counter the Math wagon is a great point though. Well done, me!

[butterflies]

DP running me up to counter the Math wagon is a great point though. Well done, me!

I love how you just ignored everything I and BB just said.

[MalcolmTucker]

I mean, I told you that openly?

Why would I do that as scum? Just state my entire game plan for the world to see, hahaha.

That's silly.

I understand because of the meta circle we have in this game that elimming certain people (you being one of them) is difficult with x amount of people alive who won't consider you scum until D8 or some shit and nothing else starts to make sense.

Then people say 'Huh, maybe my meta read of X that I held on to for 750 pages is actually wrong and maybe they could actually be scum because of x, y and z.' That's when town's eyes are open to ALL possibilities. I have to wait for that to happen and I'm cool with that. I'm not going anywhere any time soon.

I still think you're town but I don't think this is particularly unrealistic for self-aware scum to do. Otherwise anyone who's scum could just say "I wouldn't do this as scum" and get away with it. I don't think that in particular is always a good reason to townread someone.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I try not to let scum influence my thoughts, you know?

PEdit - Malcolm, you're allowed to reverse your town read on me (I am voting you after all!). You didn't answer me when I asked why you were so sure I was town and that post looks like the start of you reversing the read.