Open 861: The Turing Test [game over]

[furtiveglance]

Kuti, I tried to find your Sabi (?) account on MU and couldn't find it. Is it still there?

[Dannflor]

Wait Ari gave me a townread? Why does that scare you

yknow what I completely mixed you up with KittyTacky

[kutiplz]

Kuti, I tried to find your Sabi (?) account on MU and couldn't find it. Is it still there?

I'm Kuti plz (there's a space)

Here are my previous games. I also have a syndicate game I finished if you want me to add it

So who knows each other from the playerlist and what's yall experience levels and what not.

Links to old games as both alignments would be appreciated. I can do the same as well.

I know no one from this player list. As for experience, I played a few games here a couple of years back and that's about it.

Games in question:

[url=ttps://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81548]Newbie 1973[/url] - Town
Newbie 1976 - Scum
Newbie 1983 - Town
Newbie 1988 - Town
Newbie 1991 - Scum

The newest game on this list is 2+ years old by now, so I'm not sure how relevant these will be in regard to my current playstyle, cause it's bound to have changed since my last game, despite not having played at all for the last 2 years. Still, I'm pretty sure there's useful stuff in there.

What about you?

I have played around year. Started in 2021.

I'm not going to link my one mafia game in MU because I'm ashamed of my extreme ate and deeply embarrassed by it. My other homesite is webdip and I can link those games with my iso:

First time randing mafia, multiball, I end gamed into a draw (1-1-1)

http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... f=4&t=3784 game link
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... sharamSabi my iso

Second mafia rand, normal, mafia sweep and won

http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... f=4&t=3915 game link
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... sharamSabi my iso

Here are my mu town games:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/35684
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/35591
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36308
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36135
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/35929

I'm Kuti plz in mu

[fireisredsir]

@Fire, same. Mostly I play this game to understand people. Speaking of which.
Are you scum?

people are neat

im not scum, sadly. are you?

I'm third party.

Fire you need to tell me if you're scum. It's in the rules.

it's a good thing im not scum then, im really bad at breaking rules

[kutiplz]

Wait Ari gave me a townread? Why does that scare you

yknow what I completely mixed you up with KittyTacky

I was like Ari only talked about me in three post and it was just about my identity and mu lol

[Dannflor]

i assume you believe that they would be more likely to panic if they were scum?

possibly. or feel the need to generate some sort of content i would "approve" or some other awkward reaction

I do have a light town read on them now but I don't think just not-panicking makes them town

[kutiplz]

Dann I hope you read my old games

[GuiltyLion]

idk what the optimal way to play it is but i just know that town!you would be thinking about it

wouldn't scum!Ari be thinking about how town!Ari would play and how town!Ari would think about it? I don't think this is a town indicative thing

shhhh im letting her pocket me

i think its slightly town indicative. i don't think that ari's main priority as scum is to match how she'd play as town, and i don't think most people would really would have that reaction or that she would expect them to. so if it was performative it was a very directed performance

hold up, I think I lost a bit of the thread of conversation here.

Ari said: "I think I know what alignment [Dann] is I will keep it in my pocket for later" (43)

you said: "unironically decided earlier that you were maf if within the first few pages you didn't talk about the value of keeping your reads secret for later in this setup

congrats on being town" (44)

I have a couple issues with this reasoning, the first being what I already said - thinking about "the value of keeping your reads secret" in the setup is not some particularly deep or townie thing, I think it's fairly likely scum!Ari would understand the value for town to keep reads secret just as much as town!AI.

The second is a basic misuse of logic here - even if we accept the premise that "

A)

if Ari doesn't talk about keeping reads secret,

B)

she is scum", just because Ari

did

talk about this doesn't make her town. You said if A->B, and then ~A, therefore ~B, that is not valid.

I know logical mistakes aren't exclusively scum behavior, but taken together both these two issues feel like a flimsy justification for a townread here, which prompted me to post 62, because 46 is doubling down on both these issues.

What I don't understand in your response is how you're talking about it being a "directed" performance. I get the idea that some scum players, and perhaps Ari don't necessarily try to play as they would as town, but framing it like "playing as you would as town" feels like a bit of a dodge away from my point - which is that "the value of keeping reads secret" is not really necessarily something I think only town!Ari would speak about. And I don't follow how you think her talking about it if she's scum would be specifically directed at you.

so yeah, I still don't like this read from you and it feels a bit fake to me, like you have the goal of TRing Ari and you're justifying it rather than organically arriving at it. At best, if you're town, this is not a good reason to think Ari is town. But at worst this kinda feels like a pocket/buddying attempt and I don't remember having issues with your reads & reasoning for them when we played together in KTaNE

[kutiplz]

GL I think I'm ready to sheep you again part2

[Bell]

I can't tell if GL is open AIing or not.

[Bell]

Eh, probably not in character for them to be cheeky.

[Dannflor]

Dann I hope you read my old games

I probably won't, sorry

[Dannflor]

VOTE: fireisredsir

[fireisredsir]

1) im v aware how logic works. my take was that ari as town would talk about that like 100% of the time and ari as scum would talk about that some amount less than 100% of the time. idk how much. maybe like 70%. therefore ari talking about that increases the probability of her being town. i don't think i made any logic mistakes here at all actually

2) i think she would be capable as maf of figuring out that it's something town would care about. i just don't really think she would care that much about making it known that she was thinking about it. this is the part of the read that is a guess, which is why i don't think it's that strong of a read, bc my guess could be wrong

3) this is a point specifically about ari bc i was thinking about her early posting in eurybia's curse and how she was posting about how she was keeping her reads secret while also kind of jokingly outing that read anyway as possibly a reaction test or something. i thought that this setup had some similarities and so that was why i made the mental note of it to see how she would approach it. her post 43 followed a very similar pattern. she knows that i read that game, and you were in it. i don't think anyone else would be likely to make that connection or be especially likely to think that it was something town!ari would be more likely to do, so if it was performative, it was specifically for us

[Radical Rat]

they seem to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek

but the random town reads from Aristeia make me uneasy, especially in this setup

this sounds like a post made by someone who feels obligated to start posting real content but doesn't really have much to say yet

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Do you believe this is due to AI programming, or a simple human instinct?

Is this going to be a game long gimmick

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This is still under consideration. Most likely not, but I do think it will stay for D1.

[Radical Rat]

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I have played with KittyTacky, Loki Dokie, furtiveglance, GuiltyLion, Bell, Vivax, and Roden. However, I am not equipped to parse proper meaning from such data, though my fragile human brain may generate 'feelings' related to it.

[Vivax]

Mostly eyeing Dann and Bell for now as possible mafia, but nothing concrete.
A bit under the weather.

[Dannflor]

Spoiler:

insert a pun here

[Datisi]

replacing Donempire.

[Vivax]

Spoiler:

insert a pun here

In a game of conflicting moods,
a random person came and made a pair of boots,
surely nobody was in cahoots

If someone took pity, more than just on a boot, a sunken city surely could shoot

[Bell]

Mostly eyeing Dann and Bell for now as possible mafia, but nothing concrete.
A bit under the weather.

Please don't eye me.

[Loki Dokie]

Mostly eyeing Dann and Bell for now as possible mafia, but nothing concrete.
A bit under the weather.

Please don't eye me.

That’s what the sunglasses are for.

Spoiler:

[Dannflor]

the lack of reactions to GL and fireisred is... troubling

[Datisi]

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[Datisi]

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