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[Taly]

Why

Rad

is even scumread is still lost on me.

[butterflies]

I think what bugs me more than anything about either Rad or Nancy is this like, obtuse indignance toward those suspecting them.

For Rad it's the "OK but do you have OTHER reasons to think I'm scum or just those?" And for Nancy it's the "Anyone with a brain can see I'm town here so the fact they're not looking elsewhere is obviously scum indicative"

My bad. I'll try harder to keep my emotions in check. I tend to get pissed off when people assign wrong emotions to me or reasoning that's just bullshit and I should just hold those reactions back. Like I don't just automatically read anyone as scum when I get read as scum, it depends how they do it, and it probably doesn't help anyone when I react openly to it.

Oh you're going to love me sweetie.

-ButterFlea(s)

[JohnnyFarrar]

So she often reads you really well but its rare?

Like Nancy is one of the rare people who can read me well

[Rad]

I think what bugs me more than anything about either Rad or Nancy is this like, obtuse indignance toward those suspecting them.

For Rad it's the "OK but do you have OTHER reasons to think I'm scum or just those?" And for Nancy it's the "Anyone with a brain can see I'm town here so the fact they're not looking elsewhere is obviously scum indicative"

My bad. I'll try harder to keep my emotions in check. I tend to get pissed off when people assign wrong emotions to me or reasoning that's just bullshit and I should just hold those reactions back. Like I don't just automatically read anyone as scum when I get read as scum, it depends how they do it, and it probably doesn't help anyone when I react openly to it.

Oh you're going to love me sweetie.

-ButterFlea(s)

You seem fun. I like fun!

[butterflies]

Remember I run this show!

Who are you? :/

So she often reads you really well but its rare?

Like Nancy is one of the rare people who can read me well

Well fwiw i'm leaving reading you to her

-Butterflea

[Taly]

@Johnny
I’d suggest in case wolves try and sweep you into an ML you may want to full on claim Doctor.

But seriously why do you think this?

Can we refrain from baiting role claims?

[Taly]

How did you cross out

BBT

from your PoE,

Johnny

?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I don't mind a pooky track, and I don't mind those suspicious of them, but announcing it beforehand kind of defeats the purpose, yeah?

[JohnnyFarrar]

How did you cross out

BBT

from your PoE,

Johnny

?

I skimmed their ISO and liked some vibes. Their push on mislim was neat, and then they backed off organically when they and Rad imagined some oog reason for Klick replacing out

I just don't see an agenda there

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don't mind a pooky track, and I don't mind those suspicious of them, but announcing it beforehand kind of defeats the purpose, yeah?

Pooky - Johnny unaligned.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Let me rephrase actually, they can both be town but never W/W.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I have a hard time trusting Drap's vetos on anybody when he doesn't seem up to date on what's going on in the game.

- Malcolm isn't my preferred elim toDay, partly due to Luke's townread there and their neighborhood. It feels like a nightkill on Luke directly opens up a path to an elimination on town Malcolm, with a vocal town leader who was one of his main defenders now gone, so the fact that he immediately became a leading option after Luke's death doesn't sit right with me.
- I've seen Miselim Bait's name thrown around, and I really don't think that Klick's interactions with Bella are partnered, especially 3896 I think never comes from someone partnered with both Bella and MathBlade.
- BBT's conversations with Bella don't seem partnered to me either.
- I don't agree that Johnny should be off the table, nothing there seems partnered, and as far as I know there's nothing to support Drap's belief that they are a doctor, so I will continue to ignore that until given reason not to.
- C&G is also an option, but a weaker one, since some of the interactions make them less likely as a partner to the flipped scum. I don't think it rules them out, though.

Is rad/Johnny/c&g your current solve?

[butterflies]

What do you think of 11292 ?

I was thinking CSF was scum for a while but this post put me off the idea.

That link didn’t work for me, can someone quote it? I have everything set to descending so that could be why?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

In case that link is also broken for others

Spoiler: 11292

not alot but I dug more bella spews

Don't agree with frog about the Titus hydra for now, but can see where they are coming from. Reassured cat is picking up the same vibes as me from galron.

They used cat's read as kind of a reassurance to look good for their galron read which is PD's previous slot

2080 is super town, tbone! What's your issue with cat.
?

2080 definitely isn't super town which reeks tmi

@tsly, you disagree? I think cat evaluates a ton of slots, but also sees some stuff where they disagree but also take the time to work out if the thought process behind it comes from a solveu town mindset. Plus, they were sharing a bunch of my thoughts - the ceph wagon, toad, etc. I disliked t bones reaction a lot, but also I think I'm just a bit clashy with t bone in general

Again they kind of used csf's reads to look good saying that they shared the same read on ceph and we already know that ceph is town.

I don't know how to read professor drapion - yesterday I was scum with frog, and today their scum reads are weird. I also think the consistent push on CSF is ridiculous, as they are my strongest town read.

They called csf their strongest town and used it to shade pd's push on csf

CSF is still obv town.

They kept calling csf obv town
I honestly haven't looked at any of csf posts on a microscope so I'm not sure how justified a tr on them is but this looks good for csf
especially when it's compared to bella's hedgy read on mathblade their scum buddy.

Gth, looks very much like a CSF pocket to me.

[Taly]

Malcom we're on the same wavelength, I was just reading BBTs ISO and I think I like their mislim vote

Yeah I scumread you early on but in retrospect looks more like I was misinterpreting tone more than anything else. BBT is a solid town for me still and seen little to change that.

How did your scumread on

Johnny

evolve to misinterpreting their tone, and why is that town-indicative for

Johnny

?

How did you cross out

BBT

from your PoE,

Johnny

?

I skimmed their ISO and liked some vibes. Their push on mislim was neat, and then they backed off organically when they and Rad imagined some oog reason for Klick replacing out

I just don't see an agenda there

I'm townleaning

BBT

because of how widely suspected they've been this game. I think

BBT's

an easy push. Their reply about

Bella

felt genuine and not how I'd expect a partner to react.

Namely, I think

Bella

was probably bussed by the majority or all of the scumteam, and

BBT's

admission to

"I don't understand mech, so this ONE possibility of

Bella

still being town"

after

Drap's

claim is an uninformed perspective in a

Bella!scum

world. Especially since

BBT

had a consistent townread of that slot.

[MalcolmTucker]

Why

Rad

is even scumread is still lost on me.

There are dozens of posts outlining why people think Rad is scum? It's not difficult to find them, this feels like a particularly weak attempt at a defence.

[butterflies]

Actually, this makes Pooky’s novice cop shot also more believable.

Why?

Because both BB and Pooky have claimed a two shot.

What does that have to do with anything? Why can't one of them be a 2 shot and the other be something else or nothing? Why can't town!BB be a 2 shot and scum!Pooky also claim a 2 shot? Why can't scum!BB fake claim 2 shot and town!Pooky actually be a 2 shot?

Actually nm, my theory doesn’t gel with Drap’s role.

I didn't want to explicitly point it out yet, but there's a train of thought

So you think there’s something to my theory then but Drap’s ungated, so not sure on how that fits but looks like all the players who can either check/communicate with the dead aren’t ungated. Dunn probably wasn’t or else I doubt he would have softed. Iirc, Frogs wasn’t ungated either, so someone ought to recheck that.

[MalcolmTucker]

Malcom we're on the same wavelength, I was just reading BBTs ISO and I think I like their mislim vote

Yeah I scumread you early on but in retrospect looks more like I was misinterpreting tone more than anything else. BBT is a solid town for me still and seen little to change that.

How did your scumread on

Johnny

evolve to misinterpreting their tone, and why is that town-indicative for

Johnny

?

How did you cross out

BBT

from your PoE,

Johnny

?

I skimmed their ISO and liked some vibes. Their push on mislim was neat, and then they backed off organically when they and Rad imagined some oog reason for Klick replacing out

I just don't see an agenda there

I'm townleaning

BBT

because of how widely suspected they've been this game. I think

BBT's

an easy push. Their reply about

Bella

felt genuine and not how I'd expect a partner to react.

Namely, I think

Bella

was probably bussed by the majority or all of the scumteam, and

BBT's

admission to

"I don't understand mech, so this ONE possibility of

Bella

still being town"

after

Drap's

claim is an uninformed perspective in a

Bella!scum

world. Especially since

BBT

had a consistent townread of that slot.

My scumread on Johnny primarily involved due to interactions between Bella and Johnny. I don't think they can both be scum together, or it's certainly very unlikely. On the basis of that I put Johnny into my town-pile - from there it became apparent to me I'd likely been pushing more on tone than them actually ultimately being scum, even though I believed they were early on. Some of their posts early D5 were a bit odd but with the knowledge the slot is unlikely to be scum it was easier to view that as town.

[butterflies]

Nancy can be dangerous. And she tends to read me really well which is rare.

So she often reads you really well but its rare?

So which is it?

-Butterflea

I’d actually trust Taly’s read on Johhny > my own, I think he’s had more experience playing with Johnny. Amirite @Taly?

[Taly]

Why

Rad

is even scumread is still lost on me.

There are dozens of posts outlining why people think Rad is scum? It's not difficult to find them, this feels like a particularly weak attempt at a defence.

Or you know, I don't find the current arguments compelling?

pedit

legit have to leave now, needed to start packing an hour ago

[MalcolmTucker]

Taly - reading through your ISO this turn, feel like you're asking a lot of questions in a way which could potentially compensate for actually being busy/scumhunting at times. Is this (yes I'm aware of the irony of this being a question) how you tend to approach the game in general? I feel at times like you're very much sort of loosely hunting for info while asking questions but not necessarily doing a whole lot with that info once you get it.

[MalcolmTucker]

Why

Rad

is even scumread is still lost on me.

There are dozens of posts outlining why people think Rad is scum? It's not difficult to find them, this feels like a particularly weak attempt at a defence.

Or you know, I don't find the current arguments compelling?

pedit

legit have to leave now, needed to start packing an hour ago

Not finding the arguments compelling is different to not understanding at all why a slot is being scumread, which is what I took issue with.

[butterflies]

I don't mind a pooky track, and I don't mind those suspicious of them, but announcing it beforehand kind of defeats the purpose, yeah?

Pooky - Johnny unaligned.

So is MB based on something I posted in our hood after n2 but I think think both are probably town here but if either were to flip scum, the other is very likely spewed town.

That’s my stance. I don’t believe either is scum here.

I’m referring to Pooky, Mislim Bait with this.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

C&g are you still scumreading BBT? What do you think of the town argument in 11284?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think Malcolm is town, the Luke NK is a good point in favor of
a town malcolm.

Bleh this game is quite difficult