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[butterflies]

I think what bugs me more than anything about either Rad or Nancy is this like, obtuse indignance toward those suspecting them.

For Rad it's the "OK but do you have OTHER reasons to think I'm scum or just those?" And for Nancy it's the "Anyone with a brain can see I'm town here so the fact they're not looking elsewhere is obviously scum indicative"

My bad. I'll try harder to keep my emotions in check. I tend to get pissed off when people assign wrong emotions to me or reasoning that's just bullshit and I should just hold those reactions back. Like I don't just automatically read anyone as scum when I get read as scum, it depends how they do it, and it probably doesn't help anyone when I react openly to it.

Oh you're going to love me sweetie.

-ButterFlea(s)

You seem fun. I like fun!

Lets see how fun we can be then. Looks like you're my hook.

Give me your breakdown of the game would you? Looks like you've been in a few holes.

-Butterflea

[Rad]

Lets see how fun we can be then. Looks like you're my hook.

Give me your breakdown of the game would you? Looks like you've been in a few holes.

-Butterflea

Sure I can do that later tonight.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

C&g are you still scumreading BBT? What do you think of the town argument in 11284?

Personally, I haven't been SRing BBT since his interactions with Rad.
I think that the argument by Mislim seems logical and reading through it had definitely made me feel better about BBT.
Though, I can't speak for Cytosine.
-Guanine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

not alot but I dug more bella spews

Don't agree with frog about the Titus hydra for now, but can see where they are coming from. Reassured cat is picking up the same vibes as me from galron.

They used cat's read as kind of a reassurance to look good for their galron read which is PD's previous slot

2080 is super town, tbone! What's your issue with cat.
?

2080 definitely isn't super town which reeks tmi

@tsly, you disagree? I think cat evaluates a ton of slots, but also sees some stuff where they disagree but also take the time to work out if the thought process behind it comes from a solveu town mindset. Plus, they were sharing a bunch of my thoughts - the ceph wagon, toad, etc. I disliked t bones reaction a lot, but also I think I'm just a bit clashy with t bone in general

Again they kind of used csf's reads to look good saying that they shared the same read on ceph and we already know that ceph is town.

I don't know how to read professor drapion - yesterday I was scum with frog, and today their scum reads are weird. I also think the consistent push on CSF is ridiculous, as they are my strongest town read.

They called csf their strongest town and used it to shade pd's push on csf

CSF is still obv town.

They kept calling csf obv town
I honestly haven't looked at any of csf posts on a microscope so I'm not sure how justified a tr on them is but this looks good for csf
especially when it's compared to bella's hedgy read on mathblade their scum buddy.

Remind me, what was Bella's read on MathBlade?

I think you raise a good point here, but I'm a bit wary of jumping to conclusions too quickly.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Best explanation for Bella reading csf hard town is that csf is town. I realize that's convenient for me given Bella's read on me, but the easiest thing for scum to do is to take a town member and openly read them town, cause it's just a correct read. It's much riskier for scum to openly read other scum as town because those scum aren't going to be nearly as townie. I think it makes the most sense that scum read other scum as null or even lean scum, especially early game where this will give distancing and also make their reads look better than if they're reading inherently scummy stuff as townie.

This argument doesn't really hold up. Yes, there is a bias towards scum reading your scum partner, but that bias makes you see things that town would not normally see. It may be more difficult for some people, but it's definitely doable to account for that in your scum play. Also, bussing was a thing at one point /precisely because/ there was a trend of town reading your scum partners. Bussing was a response that shattered conventional wisdom at the time of not scum reading your partner.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Ftr I think Mala and BB are prolly both town. We knew dead folks could do some business from the jump, so both their claims come off as too ballsy for scum

Feels like it would make more sense for one to be town and one to be scum. Fake claiming is not a viable strategy, yes, but that does not preclude true claiming as either alignment.
~Cytosine (last post was also Cytosine)

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Why are we in your PoE then?

Because you could be scum WITH that role

Actually tbh, coroner seems like a role that should go to town. I got to admit I'm not super impressed with Off The Hook's play here though.
~Cytosine

[Cytosine and Guanine]

You don't see how I could possibly think you're scum in this game? I mean, there is no reason to elim you from my PoE and on top of that you heavily town read both flipped scum.

Like, how do you not understand where this read could come from?

PEdit - Why is it scummy?

Maybe I was wrong to townread C&G? I feel like I've seen RH9 be more engaged in Dead/Spectator PTs than this game.

Maybe I was wrong to townread C&G? I feel like I've seen RH9 be more engaged in Dead/Spectator PTs than this game.

What about Bella wanting to vote them > Math?

That's the only reason I ever townread them.

But the two of them put together barely has more posts than the mod. I get they had a post restriction day 1, but still...

1) This game is draining.
2) We are both busy. Not so busy we cannot play, but busy enough where being always present is not at all practical.
3) All the action happens when I am working further decreasing my engagement with the thread.

If you think the reads chart is bad then maybe you can tell me what the updated reads are

To be fair, a reads chart from Day 1 IS pretty useless on Day 5 or whatever.

BlueBloodedToffee - Obvtown

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)

Malakittens - Spewed town from Corwin

Taly - Spewed town from Math

PookyTheMagicalBear - Spewed town from Math

MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)

ProfessorDrapion - Tracker

Roden - Mason

Rad - Spewed town from Corwin

RCEnigma - Spewed town from Math

butterchurn - Mason

Mislim Bait

JohnnyFarrar - Spewed town from Bella

Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) - Likely town from Bella choosing to vote them over Math instead of me?

T-Bone - Semi-confirmed from Pooky

Cat Scratch Fever - Spewed town from Bella (?)

Best Bird

That leaves;

Butterflies
Malcolm
OtH
Mislim
Best Bird

I'm not convinced on CSF, C&G, Rad or Johnny but I think I'm happy to go with this pool right now.

You can cross off butterflies.

I understand I have to wait for a fair few people to die before I start pushing Butterflies so I just have to be patient with that one.

You shouldn't trust other people's reads either; especially when they're scum

Remember, they had Math at '80% town' and 'hard TR' Bella, too.

Yes, Nancy sometimes has extreme confidence in her reads. I don't get why you are presupposing she is scum here though.

88: MathBlade says that he would like to town read Dancing Puppets, but he needs a good reason to do so.

Is the most interesting line.

Did Math actually push this much in thread?

Yes.
~Cytosine

[Malakittens]

Hey Malcolm, do you lean scum on any of the following?

Mala, OTH, BB

I sure as hell won’t be dying before you,

Good luck with that

[ProfessorDrapion]

Why is C&G town?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hey Malcolm, do you lean scum on any of the following?

Mala, OTH, BB

I sure as hell won’t be dying before you,

Good luck with that

Why is this town?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

1) This game is draining.
2) We are both busy. Not so busy we cannot play, but busy enough where being always present is not at all practical.
3) All the action happens when I am working further decreasing my engagement with the thread.

how often do you talk with Guanine to work on reads? i have the general impression that you aren't doing this very often

[Cytosine and Guanine]

We were talking more at the beginning of the game but haven't been doing so much at all lately.
~Cytosine

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ftr I think Mala and BB are prolly both town. We knew dead folks could do some business from the jump, so both their claims come off as too ballsy for scum

Feels like it would make more sense for one to be town and one to be scum. Fake claiming is not a viable strategy, yes, but that does not preclude true claiming as either alignment.
~Cytosine (last post was also Cytosine)

Yeah I'm not saying they're confirmed or anything, but I probably wouldn't vote them today

[ProfessorDrapion]

We were talking more at the beginning of the game but haven't been doing so much at all lately.
~Cytosine

Been caught up with other shit sorry.

[Malakittens]

Hey Malcolm, do you lean scum on any of the following?

Mala, OTH, BB

I sure as hell won’t be dying before you,

Good luck with that

Why is this town?

Obv you’re shit at reading me too

The flipped scum with interactions are damn near saying that I’m town

But you gave forgotten that.

Plus I have been very open to what my results were after I have gotten them every night. I have been trying to play my role as protown as I can to give people the most information.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’ll be honest I haven’t paid that much attention to this game after day 1.
I got a Bella check and was like “oh cool I was right!” then I outed it and made sure Bella went over.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Actually tbh, coroner seems like a role that should go to town.

I mean should, yeah, but doesn't have to. The fact that it's public makes it negative utility for scum. Good for town points, tho, which could explain their frustration at my not giving a toot

[Rad]

Give me your breakdown of the game would you? Looks like you've been in a few holes.

For our new Nancy partner:

This is mostly from memory. I'm sure I missed lots of important stuff. I tried to hit all the main big points that I could remember. I'm sure it's in some way Rad heavy cause, hi, that's me and that's how my memory works. If anyone wants to jump in and add stuff, please do. I actually got some things ordered wrong as I was making this (particularly day 3 and 4) but I think I got them in the right places now.

Day 1

- C&G claim 100 word post restriction immediately.
- Mala fake claims she can talk to dead people but backs off on that later
- Luke vs Rad starts off some more serious discussion
- Luke and Rad team up vs Corwin, Rad researches Corwin and comes up with scum case, doesn't really go anywhere
- Roden wagon gets run up at some point and he claims mason with Dwlee (now butterchurn). Dwlee is pure lurker, people back off the wagon.
- Frogster's very loud throughout the day, many people with scum reads on him, Pooky in particular wants Frog dead by end of D1.
- Frogster claims Role Cop, does some sort of "gotcha" trap using Luke, yelling about him being role cop and that everyone needed to immediately get off his wagon, it was really weird and confusing and just made frog look even more scummy
- Ceph does a gladiate where he chooses his top town reads to choose between 4 people (Math, DP which is now butterflies, Taly, and Johnny), Taly is chosen. Some people got heavy town reads of me and DP/Nancy during all this.
- Ceph is chosen over Taly and Ceph flips town

Night 1

- Frogster and Dunn die, both town

Day 2

- Everyone shocked at 2 town dying so we speculate some.
- BB announces he can talk to dead people (2 shots, each shot opens a perma PT with someone) and that he chose Ceph. Couldn't choose between frog/dunn at that point because they were not dead yet.
- Theories going around about Dunn possibly being Friendly Neighbor, whether he visited someone (we were assuming he'd have visited Luke given he was hinting at his role directly to Luke and saying it was confirmable) but nothing has come of any of that
- T-Bone notices that C&G went over their word limit. He counts 101 words d1. I count 103 words. C&G claim that they never asked what the penalty would be if they went over. After all this comes up, they supposedly message the mod and the mod said they were close enough so they won't be modkilled for breaking the limit.
- Wagons just aren't sticking and people are showing apathy, discouraged that town can't come together for a wagon. Math drops out and we're all just bored debating how long we wait on a replacement. I put together a parody post about the top 4 wagons and IMO it got people motivated to make a wagon happen. The Math wagon picks up and leads to a flip.
- Math flips scum

Night 2

- Bell NK'd

Day 3

- Professor Drap claims tracker and that he saw Bella visit Bell
- Bella wagon, Bella claims doc and has a flavor that matches. Lots of discussion. 4 of us believe it could be fine to not flip Bella here, tether her to Drap that night, and see if it resolves itself (me, DP, BBT, and RCE though he's the most reluctant)
- Bella flips red

Night 3

- No NK!

Day 4

- RCE claims 2 shot BP but it's not confirmable that he actually got hit. Either RCE BP got hit or doc saved someone. Some speculation about why RCE would have been the target happened.
- Pooky claims 2 shot cop and clears Luke and T-Bone
- I can't remember when Mala and OTH claim similar roles but maybe it was d4.
- Enchant wagon picks up. Enchant claims innocent child and says he's messaged to mod. Some of us jump off. Mod comes in and posts a VC and nothing else. Enchant says he's kidding and that he's just vt. People pile on and wagon succeeds.
- Enchant flips town

Night 4

- Luke NK'd

Day 5

- Rad wagon gets run up
- Malcolm counter wagon gets run up
- I write up this great summary that I'm sure I missed a ton of important stuff but hey, people are allowed to jump in and point out more important shit I missed so please feel free, other people <3

Side notes

- There's a bunch of neighborhoods... roden and butterchurn are masons, luke and malcolm, taly and bell, math and c&g, johnny and tbone, are there more I'm forgetting?
- My brain is now mush.

[JohnnyFarrar]

RCE claims 2 shot BP but it's not confirmable that he actually got hit. Either RCE BP got hit or doc saved someone. Some speculation about why RCE would have been the target happened.

I completely and entirely missed this lol

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm also home for the day flea if you just wanna like chat it out til you feel a lil more confident about the gamestate

[butterflies]

@RAD, us and Mislilbait/Klick

[Mislim Bait]

Hey Malcolm, do you lean scum on any of the following?

Mala, OTH, BB

I sure as hell won’t be dying before you,

Good luck with that

Why is this town?

Obv you’re shit at reading me too

The flipped scum with interactions are damn near saying that I’m town

But you gave forgotten that.

Plus I have been very open to what my results were after I have gotten them every night. I have been trying to play my role as protown as I can to give people the most information.

Do you not have not results last night?
why haven't you claimed it yet

[Mislim Bait]

C&G needs to vote more
All days ended with them not voting anyone

[Mislim Bait]

Can we kill enchanted

Fine.

VOTE: enchant

Hey Mala, why did you go from requesting an Enchant kill, to seeming like you are just accepting it?

I actually want this answered