LOST (Game Over)

[Malakittens]

Nah I really don’t think BB is scum tbh

[Roden]

Who is then

[Cytosine and Guanine]

Mala's claim doesn't look too hot. I definitely wouldn't call that a shining beacon of towniness.
~Cytosine

Go on Lim me then.

Here I’ll even help Rad’s stupid push and movement.

Once I’m dead, kill rad and then look at OTH

And then get actual fuckifn scum

Rather than go for easy fucking targets.

VOTE: Mala

I'd like to eliminate Rad, but I'm getting vetoed on that. I also think Malcolm is a better lim than you despite my comment. I'm just saying your claim is not the get-out-of-jail free card that you would like it to be.
~Cytosine

[Save The Dragons]

Flavor

Vote Count 5.2

5 MalcolmTucker (BlueBloodedToffee, Mislim Bait, ProfessorDrapion, Cytosine and Guanine, Rad)

4 Rad (butterchurn, MalcolmTucker, Best Bird, PookyTheMagicalBear)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Cat Scratch Fever, Off the Hook)

1 Bluebloodedtoffee (butterflies)
1 Cat Scratch Fever (JohnnyFarrar)
1 Malakittens (Malakittens)
1 Best Bird (Roden)

Not Voting (Taly, RCEnigma, Malakittens, T-Bone)

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-08-13 19:28:13)

Mod Notes

[Malakittens]

Excuse me std moar pics of Juliet pls

[ProfessorDrapion]

Excuse me std moar pics of Juliet pls

Vote Malcolm

[Rad]

Mala's claim doesn't look too hot. I definitely wouldn't call that a shining beacon of towniness.
~Cytosine

Go on Lim me then.

Here I’ll even help Rad’s stupid push and movement.

Once I’m dead, kill rad and then look at OTH

And then get actual fuckifn scum

Rather than go for easy fucking targets.

VOTE: Mala

The Drama.

If you're town trying to equalize your meta by playing terribly on purpose, why would you be so emotional over it? Why do you think I'm scum specifically? Would you not read someone scum who's playing like you've played this game?

Why are you an easy target exactly? You're a skilled player from what I've read outside this game. Does playing terribly on purpose make you an easy target, and if so who is to blame? Or are you just bad at being scum and that's what's making you an easy target?

I think town!Mala with this ISO probably gets flipped from scum waaaay earlier cause you're just so easy to justify and you do nothing to counter that at all besides flailing when pressured. I see absolutely no unprompted pro-town behavior in your ISO. None.

In order for me to believe you're town, I have to accept:

1. Mala wants to equalize her meta by tanking her town play instead of trying harder as scum.
2. Mala hasn't bothered to even pay attention to this game enough to understand what the right use of her PR should be, or Mala has less of a grasp of the mechanics than I do in my 3rd game.
3. Mala thought it was fine to just joke and meme most of the game and do absolutely no solving outside of giving her opinion here and there.
4. Mala was comfortable with her contributions to town by just mostly lurking and occasionally jumping out to spam emotions the few times she was at risk.
5. Mala believes her use of her PR was super townie but also doesn't bother to explain why.
6. Mala believes that she did her best and Rad must be scum cause only scum would push her ISO.

[Rad]

Mala's claim doesn't look too hot. I definitely wouldn't call that a shining beacon of towniness.
~Cytosine

Go on Lim me then.

Here I’ll even help Rad’s stupid push and movement.

Once I’m dead, kill rad and then look at OTH

And then get actual fuckifn scum

Rather than go for easy fucking targets.

VOTE: Mala

I'd like to eliminate Rad, but I'm getting vetoed on that. I also think Malcolm is a better lim than you despite my comment. I'm just saying your claim is not the get-out-of-jail free card that you would like it to be.
~Cytosine

Assuming the veto is from the G in C&G, thanks G. I'm a little confused at C wanting to lim between me and Malcolm though, of all pairs you being ok flipping either of us is wild. Are you assuming it's SvT here guaranteed? We could easily be TvT. SvS is LOL sickest theater

[Cytosine and Guanine]

My reads are for the most part not based on associations between living players.
~Cytosine

[Rad]

Alrighty, fair enough.

[Rad]

Well we can hang out together on the malcolm wagon and mala can check his dead red corpse tonight to tell us what he was

[Off The Hook]

im not interested in a malcolm wagon tho :/

[Rad]

im not interested in a malcolm wagon tho :/

who then?

[Off The Hook]

johnny

[Rad]

Johnny's play has had a clear change since his other game ended. I'd rather him stick around so he can continue it. He's a lot easier to read lately and I'm just reading him town.

[Rad]

Math's interactions with/about Mala:

2313 - Math just points out corwin's push on frog and asks if it was ever explained
2459 - responds to some joke mala said
2468 - Mala with some NAI claim that math could be scum cause he was scum a couple times before in a replace and Math responding seriously to it
2480 - More nonsense argument about something that's NAI
2570 - friendly banter
3516 - Mala calling BBT a baddie and Math pretending to be angered by it
3540 - Math urges Mala to make a case on Taly instead of Mala just talking about maybe voting Taly (which is actually townie of Math so he should say this regardless of mala's alignment to look townie)
3684 - If Mala flips red, this is Math pushing distance between Corwin and Mala claiming Corwin is attacking both Frog and Mala.
5359 - Calls Mala probably town
5363 - Wants people to vote one of Mala, Frog, Taly, Dunn. He pushes this for a while.

So my takeaway:

- Mostly just NAI banter and soft interactions
- No hard pushing on or supporting of Mala. The push on 4 people later includes Mala because Mala's a top wagon.
- Nothing that jumps out as clearing Mala, and nothing jumps out as damning Mala either

[Rad]

Bella's interactions with/about Mala:

1453 - Mala at Null
3216 - Mala at Null
3707 - Claims 1 scum in Johnny, Mala, Ceph, or BB, and maybe Bell
3981 - Asks RCE to expand on Mala and Bell read
4087 - Here Bella's speculating on potential Roden mason partner... includes Dwlee T-Bone Mala BB and Pooky. Interesting she spotted Dwlee here properly eh? Couple thoughts about this. First, is Bella good enough to be able to pick Dwlee as partner here? Second, don't you think Bella includes at least 1 of her scum partners in this list? Or does Bella just blindly spit out 5 towns?
4148 - Side note, here Bella retracts Pooky from the Mason list above.
4986 - Leans scum on both Johnny and Mala, moreso Johnny than Mala.
5224 - This is a vote on Mala. I started the Mala wagon here, followed by Klick (Mislim now), DP (butterflies), and Bella. DP drops off after a few minutes (nancy decides to defer to titus). According to VC this gets up to Rad, Klick, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking... and drops off to Klick, Bellaphant, T-Bone in the next VC...
5627 - Bella still voting for Mala 400 posts later and pushes that we choose between Mala and Johnny.
8999 - Bella shading Mala and Johnny again.
9178 - Claims 1 scum in Johnny/Mala/Enchant
9186 - Pushes Johnny and Mala some more. Mala a bit more than Johnny here.
9214 - Shades Mala's reaction to being wagoned

Takeaway:

- There's much more interesting interactions here with Bella than with Corwin or Math.
- Bella tends to be pushing Mala scum a good amount, and just about always while pushing Johnny.
- Bella jumps on Mala wagon just a few minutes after Klick does and sits on there for a while after it dies off, maybe, I couldn't follow the entire wagon progression
- my brain is broken now and I can't think about this any more.

[Best Bird]

VOTE: mala

[Rad]

yeah fuck it. Month long meta switch or just scum?

VOTE: Mala

[Rad]

would be nice if the non-voters started becoming voters.

voter turnout is important people

[Best Bird]

yeah fuck it. Month long meta switch or just scum?

VOTE: Mala

i'd hate this if you weren't switching off the wagon you did...i'm fine admitting i was wrong now.

[Rad]

Me and Malcolm are going to laugh about our TvT nonsense in post game after one of us succeeds in flipping the other. But Mala's just scum here.

[T-Bone]

Vote: Drapion

[ProfessorDrapion]

Vote: Drapion

Them fighting words!

[butterchurn]

I respect Rad's effort here, at least. After looking at the Corwin interactions, I agree that they're not clearing. As mentioned, he did have Mala as top scum in 1442, but the three above that are flipped town, and the next 2 I have as likely town (BBT and RCE, not guaranteed town by any means but on the town side of my reads). I think it's very possible in a large game that he would put a scum partner at the bottom of a readslist, and I think that's more likely than him putting 6 town in a row at the bottom of his readslist.

I like this wagon more than most of the others proposed.

VOTE: Mala