Open 861: The Turing Test [game over]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.07

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-11 09:45:00).

yeet

Greeting [3]:

Dannflor, furtiveglance, KittyTacky

Vivax [3]:

fireisredsir, Loki Dokie, Radical Rat

KittyTacky [2]:

Bell, Aristeia

furtiveglance [2]:

Roden, Greeting

Loki Dokie [1]:

Vivax

not voting [2]:

kutiplz, GuiltyLion

mod notes

~ this is a mod note.

[Greeting]

For now, @Greeting

Two points I would like you to address with a clear head now:
1. Do you have a towngame to refute Loki's meta read on you?

Alright, if you really insist.

There is one scum game of mine I can mention, and that is Newbie 2095.

This was my opening post in there.

Let's go!

VOTE: Alianna

I didn't want to be creative, I wanted to be as generic as possible.

Often, I try to be quirky to get into the vibe of the game.

Newbie 2078 (my first game on MS)

Greetings. Checking in. Will post pater!

Newbie 2081

Greetings!

Prepare to be spammed with popculture gifs!

VOTE: kennyk

<gif>

Here's a Mini Normal 2262:

Greetings!

VOTE: 0verki11 because leet speak is so mid-2000s.

So yeah, I found three games by just looking into random games I've played in the past where my opening post is similar to the post here, which is:

Hello, humans!

For the record, I did not cast an RVS vote, because I subbed in and the game was past RVS.

[Loki Dokie]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=36602

scum!Vivax


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=36602

town!Vivax

[Vivax]

mafia cares about consistency because they have to put effort into faking it because it is something that comes naturally to most town who are just thinking their thoughts normally

holding two opposing thoughts in your brain in short succession is rare for most people

Result: The 'nonsensical' case on Loki

[Greeting]

Continuing 601, my point is, the argument that the opening posts are a reliable scum tell is not true, because not only is it not consistent with my actual opening posts which I've made that are similar to the opening post I made in this game, but also with the fact that I just post whatever I feel like posting at the particular moment of the game.

Writing that sentence was exhausting.

2. Why does scum!me drop the gimmick for readability Before getting sussed for it?

My argument was that you used it as a psychological trick to hide the initial awkwardness of start of the game and content behind a veil. The argument wouldn't exist if you dropped it after one post, you continued for like 10 if I remember correctly.

If you were scum, you obviously wouldn't want to continue doing this forever, because you don't want to potentially annoy other players nor attract unnecessary attention. If you did this and had no meta on MafiaScum, ironically you could get written off as a quirky player. But, since you do have meta, people would notice the change in your behavior almost instantly.

[Loki Dokie]

mafia cares about consistency because they have to put effort into faking it because it is something that comes naturally to most town who are just thinking their thoughts normally

holding two opposing thoughts in your brain in short succession is rare for most people

Result: The 'nonsensical' case on Loki

You are playing similar here to Terminator. Did you even click Roden’s link where he said he found no similarities in this game and White Flag? But you just completely ignore that which makes absolutely no sense if you’re town and you made the very same horrific pushes in Terminator.

So when I flip town, are you going push furtive with the I was wrong on Loki. so furtive has to be scum argument?

[Radical Rat]

My interpretation was that Loki was taking everything from the actual first post to when you voted me holistically, since it was in quick succession and all part of your entrance catch up. I may have been wrong on that point though.

[Radical Rat]

My argument was that you used it as a psychological trick to hide the initial awkwardness of start of the game and content behind a veil. The argument wouldn't exist if you dropped it after one post, you continued for like 10 if I remember correctly.

If you were scum, you obviously wouldn't want to continue doing this forever, because you don't want to potentially annoy other players nor attract unnecessary attention. If you did this and had no meta on MafiaScum, ironically you could get written off as a quirky player. But, since you do have meta, people would notice the change in your behavior almost instantly.

Alright, I can kind of see where you're coming from here. I don't agree with it by any means, I think there are way easier ways to hide early game, and continue to hate the notion that wanting to have fun must be a scumtell, but I can believe this is a real thought you had whereas earlier I could not.

[Vivax]

mafia cares about consistency because they have to put effort into faking it because it is something that comes naturally to most town who are just thinking their thoughts normally

holding two opposing thoughts in your brain in short succession is rare for most people

Result: The 'nonsensical' case on Loki

You are playing similar here to Terminator. Did you even click Roden’s link where he said he found no similarities in this game and White Flag? But you just completely ignore that which makes absolutely no sense if you’re town and you made the very same horrific pushes in Terminator.

So when I flip town, are you going push furtive with the I was wrong on Loki. so furtive has to be scum argument?

I will do that

Throwing more information at me is meant to throw me off I suppose. I like finding a clear cut angle such as that one, but you have the best reasons for disagreeing obviously.
I don't think that revisiting my Terminator meta here helps me to further the current purpose.

[Greeting]

Anyway, I am off for the night. @

Vivax

, please respond to 595.

[Loki Dokie]

mafia cares about consistency because they have to put effort into faking it because it is something that comes naturally to most town who are just thinking their thoughts normally

holding two opposing thoughts in your brain in short succession is rare for most people

Result: The 'nonsensical' case on Loki

You are playing similar here to Terminator. Did you even click Roden’s link where he said he found no similarities in this game and White Flag? But you just completely ignore that which makes absolutely no sense if you’re town and you made the very same horrific pushes in Terminator.

So when I flip town, are you going push furtive with the I was wrong on Loki. so furtive has to be scum argument?

I will do that

Throwing more information at me is meant to throw me off I suppose. I like finding a clear cut angle such as that one, but you have the best reasons for disagreeing obviously.
I don't think that revisiting my Terminator meta here helps me to further the current purpose.

Yes, God forbid anyone tries to “throw off” your absolutely shitty scumread of me.

If I didn’t think you were likely scum from this, I’d swear you were trolling me with this.

[Vivax]

Anyway, I think it's really interesting that

Vivax

is so hesitant about jumping on my wagon. I am an easy lim in this game, this day could have ended while I was in hiatus with the support of some townies. I actually think he might want to avoid looking bad when I flip town.

Nah, I just sympathize with unpopular takes as town

Very well. Looking back before I made post 567, what was so towny about me?

It was rather from observing some people's reactions to me just handing out a TR to you, then rushing a vote on you, then me rethinking the game entirely.
When I feel like I'm being driven to be on a specific person by my surroundings, I start doubting the game state and look in other places.
Scumreading you earned me absence of pressure over townreading you, so I figured that someone was trying to use peer pressure to manipulate me.

I... don't remember anyone townreading me in this game when I jumped in and then switching. As a matter of fact, my impression is that I got widely scumread almost instantly (358, 360).

If I remember correctly, it

Loki Dokie

who pressured others the most into jumping on certain people. The rest didn't really seem like trying to force others to vote me. They just built lengthy cases and that's it.

Care to elaborate?

Pedit: Do you think that

Loki Dokie

is scum for exerting a lot of pressure on the current wagon they're building? I feel like in 406 he might have wanted to bait me into jump on

Roden

without even thinking if it's a good read just so I could earn myself a townread in his eyes. What kind of town play is this?

I have to appear pockety here because I have to be honest. Loki amazes me, a true freeflowing swan of a player. but from the cues I got from this game I can not do anything but want to vote him and think that he is mafia.
The ones I wrote about are the ones I know.

For today at least I'm not too compelled to have to read analysis on my own meta. I'm not a consistent player in some aspects.

[Loki Dokie]

UNVOTE:

Trying to decide now on Roden or Vivax because Roden has never wrongly sr me and he was in Terminator so unlike Dann, he definitely knows who I am. Vivax’s 180 on me is hella weird as well,

@Roden tell me how I’m different here than in Terminator and if you know my main, your vote on me is even worse,

I don't remember much from Terminator but my vote isn't based on that. I know who's alt you are and my vote is more or less because of that, defensiveness is NAI for you but I know from another alt that AtE isn't. The post I quoted and voted you for gave me AtE vibes and I wanted to see how you'd react. Either you double down and scum tell or you go hard at your self meta and town tell. Though tbh this part is townier than your immediate reaction:

Yeah I'd definitely like Roden to say more before I considered voting there.

Dann’s argument would suggest that Roden’s scumgame isn’t good. His vote on me is bad but as scum, he’d probably realize that.

In the game I played with scum!him I was getting heavily wagoned and Roden hard wk’d me. This just seems to be really sloppy if Roden’s scum here.

Roden was so good in that game that last town miselimmed me at elo and Roden won, so why would his scumgame suddenly turn to shit? Idk what to think rn.

Realizing that I already know how to play around you as scum but not actually pursuing that is the kind of nuance I was looking for, more or less. You're more likely to avoid looking like your waffling as scum.

You have never seen my scumgame, so this is utter bs. You should have stuck with not knowing who I am sport. Major fos here.

This all started because you didn't know I was in White Flag, and I was only bringing it up and linked it because of that. I never said your play was similar to that game,

I was looking to see if there

were

any similarities and didn't see any.

@Vivax, is there some reason you decided to completely ignore this?

Vivax deflected this post that Roden made and I am pointing out for the second time now. I’m obviously questioning why he is ignoring this and not my link to his Terminator scumgame.

I’m with RR, not moving this vote.

[Loki Dokie]

Roden literally stated he could find

NO similarities

between my play here and White Flag -

where I was scum

. I’m emphasizing this in an extremely unlikely world where Vivax could actually be woefully obtuse town but I seriously doubt it.

[furtiveglance]

Ok chill with the caps.

[furtiveglance]

I do scumread Vivax. I feel like they're aspiring to be weird town but aren't getting that authenticity.

[Loki Dokie]

Ok chill with the caps.

It’s actually the [ size= ] [ / size ] but okay.

[furtiveglance]

Seeing as the wheels are coming off the Greeting wagon, and my read there has changed as well, I'll move my vote back to its previous home.

VOTE: Vivax

[furtiveglance]

oh is it

this?

[furtiveglance]

One thing to note is that regular VCA isn't as useful with 5/13 being mafia. So if Vivax flips mafia it doesn't clear the competing wagons in the same way.

[Loki Dokie]

I do scumread Vivax. I feel like they're aspiring to be weird town but aren't getting that authenticity.

Yeah and the unpopular takes nonsense as town didn’t happen in NEP, there he actually had popular and

good/b] takes. And eventhough he blew up town!Penguin, it still helped us win because it led me and Dwlee to scum!VP Baltar.

[Loki Dokie]

oh is it

this?

yeah. I used just bold in my recent post instead.

[Loki Dokie]

One thing to note is that regular VCA isn't as useful with 5/13 being mafia. So if Vivax flips mafia it doesn't clear the competing wagons in the same way.

Spoiler:

game setup - The Turing Test

here is the md thread of the setup. it will also be explained below. pm or dm me if you have any questions.

setup:

~

8 human subjects (the town)

~

5 malevolent AIs (the mafia)

mechanics:

day 1 plays as normal, with the players voting someone to eliminate.
~ if the person voted out is a townie, nobody scores any points.
~ if the person voted out is mafia, the town scores 1 point.

the mafia does not have a factional kill. instead, each night, starting from n1, scum must choose two players to participate in the turing test the next day. the only requirement is that the two people participating are 1 townie and 1 mafia.

from day 2 and on, there is no votes to eliminate; instead, each day there is a turing test. the two players selected by the mafia are announced and removed from the game, but not flipped. the votes are locked between the two selected players, and the living players must vote for the person in the pair they believe to be mafia.
~ if a mafia member is voted out, town scores 1 point.
~ if a townie is voted out, mafia scores 1 point.

after one of the two has been hammered, the alignments of the selected players are revealed, and the game goes back to the night phase.

the first faction to reach 3 points wins.

both the day yeet and the mafia factional night action are mandatory.

if a hammer is not achieved by deadline, ties will be broken by seniority. if the mafia doesn't submit their action by deadline, i will randomize it for them.

sample role pm's:

welcome,

playername

. you are a

human subject

.

abilities:

~ you have no special abilities.

win conditions:

~ you win when human subjects achieve 3 points.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name.

welcome,

playername

. you are a

malevolent AI

.

abilities:

~ your fellow AIs are

playername

,

playername

,

playername

and

playername

. as long as you are in the game, you may talk to them in the AI pt, located here.
~ during each night, you must select two players, 1 human and 1 AI, to participate in the turing test the following day.

win condition:

~ you win when malevolent AIs achieve 3 points.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name, or by posting in your pt.

Yes, that’s why I think it’s extremely scum indicative that he’s hardpushing me, because with no nks, this is probably his best hope of getting rid of me.

[Radical Rat]

One thing to note is that regular VCA isn't as useful with 5/13 being mafia. So if Vivax flips mafia it doesn't clear the competing wagons in the same way.

Spoiler:

game setup - The Turing Test

here is the md thread of the setup. it will also be explained below. pm or dm me if you have any questions.

setup:

~

8 human subjects (the town)

~

5 malevolent AIs (the mafia)

mechanics:

day 1 plays as normal, with the players voting someone to eliminate.
~ if the person voted out is a townie, nobody scores any points.
~ if the person voted out is mafia, the town scores 1 point.

the mafia does not have a factional kill. instead, each night, starting from n1, scum must choose two players to participate in the turing test the next day. the only requirement is that the two people participating are 1 townie and 1 mafia.

from day 2 and on, there is no votes to eliminate; instead, each day there is a turing test. the two players selected by the mafia are announced and removed from the game, but not flipped. the votes are locked between the two selected players, and the living players must vote for the person in the pair they believe to be mafia.
~ if a mafia member is voted out, town scores 1 point.
~ if a townie is voted out, mafia scores 1 point.

after one of the two has been hammered, the alignments of the selected players are revealed, and the game goes back to the night phase.

the first faction to reach 3 points wins.

both the day yeet and the mafia factional night action are mandatory.

if a hammer is not achieved by deadline, ties will be broken by seniority. if the mafia doesn't submit their action by deadline, i will randomize it for them.

sample role pm's:

welcome,

playername

. you are a

human subject

.

abilities:

~ you have no special abilities.

win conditions:

~ you win when human subjects achieve 3 points.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name.

welcome,

playername

. you are a

malevolent AI

.

abilities:

~ your fellow AIs are

playername

,

playername

,

playername

and

playername

. as long as you are in the game, you may talk to them in the AI pt, located here.
~ during each night, you must select two players, 1 human and 1 AI, to participate in the turing test the following day.

win condition:

~ you win when malevolent AIs achieve 3 points.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name, or by posting in your pt.

Yes, that’s why I think it’s extremely scum indicative that he’s hardpushing me, because with no nks, this is probably his best hope of getting rid of me.

It's actually kind of sort of a double NK? Regardless of who "wins" the test, you do get removed from the game that night. I clarified this with Datisi prior to joining the game.

[Loki Dokie]

One thing to note is that regular VCA isn't as useful with 5/13 being mafia. So if Vivax flips mafia it doesn't clear the competing wagons in the same way.

Spoiler:

game setup - The Turing Test

here is the md thread of the setup. it will also be explained below. pm or dm me if you have any questions.

setup:

~

8 human subjects (the town)

~

5 malevolent AIs (the mafia)

mechanics:

day 1 plays as normal, with the players voting someone to eliminate.
~ if the person voted out is a townie, nobody scores any points.
~ if the person voted out is mafia, the town scores 1 point.

the mafia does not have a factional kill. instead, each night, starting from n1, scum must choose two players to participate in the turing test the next day. the only requirement is that the two people participating are 1 townie and 1 mafia.

from day 2 and on, there is no votes to eliminate; instead, each day there is a turing test. the two players selected by the mafia are announced and removed from the game, but not flipped. the votes are locked between the two selected players, and the living players must vote for the person in the pair they believe to be mafia.
~ if a mafia member is voted out, town scores 1 point.
~ if a townie is voted out, mafia scores 1 point.

after one of the two has been hammered, the alignments of the selected players are revealed, and the game goes back to the night phase.

the first faction to reach 3 points wins.

both the day yeet and the mafia factional night action are mandatory.

if a hammer is not achieved by deadline, ties will be broken by seniority. if the mafia doesn't submit their action by deadline, i will randomize it for them.

sample role pm's:

welcome,

playername

. you are a

human subject

.

abilities:

~ you have no special abilities.

win conditions:

~ you win when human subjects achieve 3 points.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name.

welcome,

playername

. you are a

malevolent AI

.

abilities:

~ your fellow AIs are

playername

,

playername

,

playername

and

playername

. as long as you are in the game, you may talk to them in the AI pt, located here.
~ during each night, you must select two players, 1 human and 1 AI, to participate in the turing test the following day.

win condition:

~ you win when malevolent AIs achieve 3 points.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name, or by posting in your pt.

Yes, that’s why I think it’s extremely scum indicative that he’s hardpushing me, because with no nks, this is probably his best hope of getting rid of me.

It's actually kind of sort of a double NK? Regardless of who "wins" the test, you do get removed from the game that night. I clarified this with Datisi prior to joining the game.

Oh really? I guess I misunderstood then, I thought it was like a gladiate.