Open 861: The Turing Test [game over]

[Radical Rat]

Yeah, it's weird. When the next day starts, they're already "dead," but unflipped, and then we do the vote posthumously, with the point awarded after the flips.

[Vivax]

UNVOTE:

4 days. I should use the opportunity to put more time into this.
Regardless, hitting a nerve allows me to read a reflex. This could be interesting.

[Bell]

For the record I think Vivax is probably town

I still have doubts about fire, but that fish can be fried another time

Pretty much, but just don't leave it uncooked.

More kitty votes please.

[Loki Dokie]

Yeah, it's weird. When the next day starts, they're already "dead," but unflipped, and then we do the vote posthumously, with the point awarded after the flips.

Spoiler:

the mafia does not have a factional kill. instead, each night, starting from n1, scum must choose two players to participate in the turing test the next day. the only requirement is that the two people participating are 1 townie and 1 mafia.

from day 2 and on, there is no votes to eliminate; instead, each day there is a turing test. the two players selected by the mafia are announced and removed from the game, but not flipped. the votes are locked between the two selected players, and the living players must vote for the person in the pair they believe to be mafia.
~ if a mafia member is voted out, town scores 1 point.
~ if a townie is voted out, mafia scores 1 point.

So this just makes me all the more suspicious on Vivax.

[Vivax]

Do you believe I could be a malevolent machine? Or is that just a potential you see while I play text based games? A magnitude of an end of two different spectrums with a common denominator in the middle?

[KittyTacky]

I don't understand the Roden wagon. He's got three posts, and none of them strike me as particularly scummy.

Yeah same. Roden is very null to me.

I don't understand how you can sus the loki voters and also be null on roden

this feels like a contradiction to me.

I'm not heavily scumreading the Loki voters. And explain how is it a contradiction?

like um

which loki voters are you exactly sussing?

The ones who actually gave content so far. I can't read someone who made so few posts at all regardless of if they made a naked vote or not.

name names

Don't like Dannflor, mostly.

[KittyTacky]

I think KittyTacky is a better vote tbh Bell

VOTE: Kitty

Why do you think he's scum?

He is shading without specificity - which tends to be scum going through the motions rather than actually thinking about who is mafia

I do this as town tho.

[Aristeia]

I think KittyTacky is a better vote tbh Bell

VOTE: Kitty

Why do you think he's scum?

He is shading without specificity - which tends to be scum going through the motions rather than actually thinking about who is mafia

I do this as town tho.

so you're doing this as mafia now?

[Loki Dokie]

Do you believe I could be a malevolent machine? Or is that just a potential you see while I play text based games? A magnitude of an end of two different spectrums with a common denominator in the middle?

Can you translate that into English for me? Thanks.

[KittyTacky]

I think KittyTacky is a better vote tbh Bell

VOTE: Kitty

Why do you think he's scum?

He is shading without specificity - which tends to be scum going through the motions rather than actually thinking about who is mafia

I do this as town tho.

so you're doing this as mafia now?

Nope.

[Aristeia]

Don't like Dannflor, mostly.

I have trouble believing you actually scumread Dannflor because you have done literally nothing to push or sort him.

[Dannflor]

Maybe he just doesn’t like me personally

[GuiltyLion]

I have. And then reminded myself that town almost never listens to the words of dead townies.

just on a tangent, I don't like when people say this as if it's a given thing... encourage and be the change you'd like to see in the world!! I try my best to make it a point to reread the entire game once I'm in mid/late game and making pivotal decisions. the reread is not always for the better, but it's wild how much more AI content you can find rereading early game once you know half the game's alignments

(it's why hyperpost meta is bad, it makes it a massive timesink and chore to reread a 300+ page game and no one wants to do that)

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Vivax

I'm not moving for the rest of the day, this needs to go.

can you give me like a brief summary of why Vivax is scum

I see you've been asserting that he's scummy, but I don't know if I know what your reasoning is for why he's mafia. 520 is probably the main point I see against him, why is that inconsistency more likely to come from scum? like why does scum!Vivax throw a vote while openly saying he didn't check if it was a hammer (and would scum!Vivax have checked to see if it was a hammer?), and then 180 immediately afterwards?

like yeah it's weird, hard to make sense of, but why is it scummy?

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: KittyTacky

I like this wagon

getting some townvbes from Greeting's play today

[GuiltyLion]

Dann, did you have any thoughts on 492?

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: kutiplz

[fireisredsir]

with 5 scum i feel like a lot of this game is probably maf just talking to each other and maybe thats why it feels weird

[fireisredsir]

i kinda feel like repeatedly wagoning low content slots until they post stuff to make sure that nobody exits d1 without like having posted significantly is actually probably the best way to make this setup solvable later

[fireisredsir]

kuti has 32 posts and i counted like, maybe 2 opinions total

hi kuti i would like to hear some more opinions plz

[fireisredsir]

the thing is that after d1 we will never be able to pressure anyone with votes ever again

so get it all out now

[Datisi]

prodding kutiplz.

[Roden]

exceedingly fine with a Greeting wagon

Roden, who are you town reading?

Bell
Dann
GL
Kitty
Loki

Bell and GL are more like town leans though

Can you expand on Kitty and Bell?

Kitty kinda just does the exact same thing as either alignment every game, like making content but never feeling all that present, shrugging when he gets sus'd, and generally being an easy push. The way I try to read players like that is to try to understand their intentions, since I think it's harder to hide intention as scum when you're focused on making your town and scum play identical. I don't really see any attempts at obfuscating his thoughts, and he doesn't really seem to care about his wagon too much.

Bell's simpler, if he's posting then he's town, if not then he's scum. I see this get said every game he's in and I haven't seen it proven wrong yet. His activity has been somewhere in the middle this game so far though, so he's just a town lean.

[Vivax]

Don't like Dannflor, mostly.

I have trouble believing you actually scumread Dannflor because you have done literally nothing to push or sort him.

I don't like this angle. It seems you are accusing someone of not pushing Dannflor, but you don't seem focused enough on Dannflor yourself. You should think he's mafia if you think that it's a valid reason to attack KittyTacky. Cue for TMI and the Ari/Dann pair being correct.

[Vivax]

VOTE: DannFlor

Interested into seeing what Loki thinks of a wagon on Dannflor.
It's not on Loki, so it can't be that bad.