LOST (Game Over)

[MalcolmTucker]

Malcolm.
Can you explain your SRs on CSF and BB?
I don't get them, especially on CSF who hasn't been doing scummy things as of late.
-Guanine

Outlined beforehand I liked the possibility of a CSF/Bella team, their interactions with each other felt like it could check out as scum teammates - some soft TR's with the occasional null read thrown in there just to create a little bit of distance. Beyond that I don't think CSF's pushes have been great as of late and feel like they could be coming from scum trying to defend teammates and implicate other players I read as town. Is is not interesting, eg, that Cat continually pushes Johnny, who I think is looking really townie, and then as the day wears on a whole bunch of votes start to pile onto Johnny again?

BB has been more a scumlean than definite scum but I remember finding some of their responses to pressure a bit off. Beyond that feel like they're coasting a bit in a way that'd be conductive to scum if we're not going down the right path, and not seen anything in particular that'd rule them out being partnered with Math or Bella, unless I've missed something.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I see.
Though, I think that CSF's push on Johnny is NAI because it could be due to her not wanting to vote you or Mala and Johnny being her SR.
On the other hand, why is Johnny a TR? He's still null for me.
-Guanine

[butterflies]

@Mala, have you ever wanted to die before in a towngame? If so, could you please link it for me?

[MalcolmTucker]

I see.
Though, I think that CSF's push on Johnny is NAI because it could be due to her not wanting to vote you or Mala and Johnny being her SR.
On the other hand, why is Johnny a TR? He's still null for me.
-Guanine

I don't see Johnny/Math being scum together on the basis of their interactions before Math was eliminated. I scumread Johnny early on but have very much flipped on that and have made that clear. I'm aware I could have some incorrect reads myself, but I very much feel like we've mindmelded a bit and I think his pushes and reads have gotten increasingly solid as the game goes on.

I'd also argue that my reevaluation of Johnny in itself is pretty townie and shows a decent degree of flexibility given my continued push for Rad in the last day or two which hasn't really gone away despite my willingness to compromise at the moment. Mala/Johnny are the two main alternatives to me but I've not particularly pushed either of them too strongly because I'm not convinced they're scum, albeit I am willing to compromise on Mala because I'm not certain enough on the slot to fight for saving it when my elimination is the likely alternative.

[butterflies]

Also I’d take a closer look at the slots who have been dead quiet during this whole exchange IF IF IF AND ITS A BIG IF GUYS
THAT RAD AND I ARE BOTH TOWN.

BECAUSE ITS LIKELY SCUM ARE HIDING OUT RATHER THAN BEING IN THIS CONV TO STOP THIS 1v1

I just doubt rad is town

Why does Bella scum doc implicate her buddy RAD by saying she visited him n1? I also seriously doubt that happened. Bella either healed Math - most likely - or killed Dunn. But in any case, unless you’re going to argue that Bella is some brilliant genius wifom manipulator of the kind that would make a RadiantCowbells seethe with envy, I’m going to just logically assume that she wouldn’t so obviously try to implicate her buddy. If Bella was let’s saya scum jk for example, that would be different but I seriously cannot see Bella implicating her buddy like that, which means RAD is spewed town.

@Malcolm, did you read my towncase on RAD? For RAD to be scum, you’d have to argue that Bella would intentionally try to implicate him with her flip -

because she is scum doc

. That’s the absolute last thing I’d expect scum!Bella to do to a buddy.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Outlined beforehand I liked the possibility of a CSF/Bella team, their interactions with each other felt like it could check out as scum teammates -

some soft TR's

with the occasional null read thrown in there just to create a little bit of distance.

I don't think this is true. Bella was not soft TR'ing me aside from early day 1.

Beyond that I don't think CSF's pushes have been great as of late and feel like they could be coming from scum trying to defend teammates and implicate other players I read as town. Is is not interesting, eg, that Cat continually pushes Johnny, who I think is looking really townie, and then as the day wears on a whole bunch of votes start to pile onto Johnny again?

If your whole reason for thinking Johnny is town is that "Bella kind of pushed Johnny as scum," then why is Mala ever a better vote here? Mala was (a) actually voted by Bella and (b) pushed by Corwin as his only scumread

This question is not really to you, but more to the peanut gallery, but I legitimately don't get it

Perhaps you don't think Mala has done enough to prove she's town, but what on earth has Johnny done either????

[Malakittens]

@Mala, have you ever wanted to die before in a towngame? If so, could you please link it for me?

Yes many times & I’d have to search my hx and I’m already limited as it is

[Malakittens]

I don’t really agree with a CSF or a BB scum tbh

I prob won’t vote there.

I actually can see the compelling case for town!rad

[Malakittens]

@Mala, have you ever wanted to die before in a towngame? If so, could you please link it for me?

Yes many times & I’d have to search my hx and I’m already limited as it is

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=19101

[MalcolmTucker]

Outlined beforehand I liked the possibility of a CSF/Bella team, their interactions with each other felt like it could check out as scum teammates -

some soft TR's

with the occasional null read thrown in there just to create a little bit of distance.

I don't think this is true. Bella was not soft TR'ing me aside from early day 1.

Beyond that I don't think CSF's pushes have been great as of late and feel like they could be coming from scum trying to defend teammates and implicate other players I read as town. Is is not interesting, eg, that Cat continually pushes Johnny, who I think is looking really townie, and then as the day wears on a whole bunch of votes start to pile onto Johnny again?

If your whole reason for thinking Johnny is town is that "Bella kind of pushed Johnny as scum," then why is Mala ever a better vote here? Mala was (a) actually voted by Bella and (b) pushed by Corwin as his only scumread

This question is not really to you, but more to the peanut gallery, but I legitimately don't get it

Perhaps you don't think Mala has done enough to prove she's town, but what on earth has Johnny done either????

My primary reason for switching on Johnny was the Math/Johnny interactions for the most part. Don't believe they can be paired.

Beyond that I think Johnny's pushes have been solid this turn and we're agreeing on quite a bit now. Maybe a risk I'm getting pocketed but I think it's much more likely Johnny is also town and our views are just aligning on lots of things.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Out of interest, who else do you reckon is scum other than Johnny? I liked the case on Johnny early game but struggling to see it following

Math's

elimination.

How does Math's elimination rule out Johnny?

Sorry I'm getting confused on who suspected who re scum. Math wasn't really pro-eliminating Johnny - Bella/Johnny was a different story. 10685 outlined why. Maybe it's possible I could be underestimating the amount of SvS stuff we've been seeing though? Some of Johnny's more recent posts don't fill me with confidence but I'm also aware I'm struggle to tonally townread them when they post which could be influencing where I'm at.

No, it was bella...

[Save The Dragons]

Flavor

Vote Count 5.5

4 MalcolmTucker (BlueBloodedToffee, Mislim Bait, Cytosine and Guanine, PookyTheMagicalBear)
4 Malakittens (Best Bird, Rad, ProfessorDrapion, MalcolmTucker)
4 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, Cat Scratch Fever, butterchurn, Malakittens)

1 Cat Scratch Fever (JohnnyFarrar)
1 Best Bird (Roden)
1 Mislim Bait (T-Bone)

Not Voting (Taly, RCEnigma, butterflies)

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-08-13 19:28:13)

Mod Notes

Prodding Mislim Bait
Prodding BlueBloodedToffee
Replacing Taly

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I got prodded.

I still support the Malcolm wagon.

[Cytosine and Guanine]

I think wagon dynamics today strongly suggest one of Malcolm or Mala is scum.
~Cytosine

[Roden]

What are the odds that more than one scum is getting run up right now? I feel like that might explain why today has been stalling.

VOTE: Mala

Gonna just do that for now unless one of my town reads convinces me to sheep them somewhere else.

[Malakittens]

….

[ProfessorDrapion]

Guys

I don’t wanna die anymore

I’m in a better mood now I swear

After I slept for a while ya know and cooled down

Maf chat tell you to live?

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: JOhny

Did Math tell you to vote there?
Tell him to vote himself tomorrow after you go over.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean T-Bone.

Idk why I keep thinking T-Bone is Math lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t really agree with a CSF or a BB scum tbh

I prob won’t vote there.

I actually can see the compelling case for town!rad

What’s that?
T-Bone is a Godfather and one of those two are the wolves?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Flavor

Vote Count 5.5

4 MalcolmTucker (BlueBloodedToffee, Mislim Bait, Cytosine and Guanine, PookyTheMagicalBear)
4 Malakittens (Best Bird, Rad, ProfessorDrapion, MalcolmTucker)
4 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, Cat Scratch Fever, butterchurn, Malakittens)

1 Cat Scratch Fever (JohnnyFarrar)
1 Best Bird (Roden)
1 Mislim Bait (T-Bone)

Not Voting (Taly, RCEnigma, butterflies)

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-08-13 19:28:13)

Mod Notes

Prodding Mislim Bait
Prodding BlueBloodedToffee
Replacing Taly

Johnny is Town Doctor.
I explained how I’m a literal GOD at MAFIA.
I know what I’m doing, we keep that man alive.

You don’t have to townread him, just townread me and trust what I’m telling you to do, I’m a GOD.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think I know who the teammates are, I’m 100% confident and will reveal them tomorrow.

@Johnny just stay healing on me regardless of what that T-Bone says to you.

Mala is a wolf, I’m sure of it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think wagon dynamics today strongly suggest one of Malcolm or Mala is scum.
~Cytosine

Yeah I literally said that ages ago.
I think your probably town though from how things are going down here.

[ProfessorDrapion]

….

You surprised town is stomping on mafia?


Don’t be.

I’m a GOD, I’m more powerful then the entire mafia team.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Mala being the wolf and Malcolm being the town locks the game for me BTW.
I’ll tell you the exact team with Mala next day phase.