Mini Normal 2278: Southern France [Game Over]

[Aisa]

1.03

Votecount 1.03

froggodoggo (2):

T3, ceejayvinoya.

ceejayvinoya (2):

Andante, BloodB0t.

Andante (1):

froggodoggo.

Not voting (2):

Galron, Eiralox.

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-15 23:00:00).

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Why photography of Tall Things should be left to the professionals: exhibit 1.

An inside view of Narbonne Cathedral. Who isn't a sucker for a good chandelier?

[T3]

I still think that saying you are never town for suspecting her is a stretch and that it's more likely to come from a mafia who's trying to fake a town POV.

pedit hi welcome vote andante

Is this serious?

I don’t like this post. It’s fairly obvious that froggo’s post is serious, and asking this subtly defends the wagon against froggo.

How is it obvious? If anything it's more facetious because it comes after just a handful of posts at the start of the game and it looks like a distinct after thought to the welcome post. I asked though because Andante was pretty aggressive so it might indeed be serious.

I've seen some suspictions of froggo but I don't know about a wagon. Do you really think I'm that nuanced anyway?

I don’t see where you’re coming from at all. The game was already in serious territory, froggo was expressing scumreads on Andante.

I don’t think you’re that nuanced, but I am saying that you could possibly be partnered with froggo.

I think you're saying I am that nuanced, which is either a compliment or a pocket.

I don’t know. I think there’s some miscommunication. I thought that you were subtly defending to froggo.

[T3]

What was the purpose of 87 T3?

So that I can tell people my reads and get reactions?

[BloodB0t]

Yes do you generally try to solve a case in less than 24 hours? Why is ceejay changing his mind scummy?

I don't have a 'generally' when it comes to mafia because this is my first game. I gave my reason which is that this game has a low player count. I approached the few Avalon games I've played in person for the same reason.

You misunderstood this. I don't get why T3 townreads andante.

Since CJ clarified this, I no longer think that was scummy from him.

Tell me more about green feel T3.

What's his sincerest post?

This question doesn't seem fruitful to me.

So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

I don't like that his reads here aren't substantiated.

VOTE: T3

found a maf

explain?

there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet

I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.

Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.

VOTE: Andante

This seems like a stretch.




I'm surprised by froggodoggo's 'hero solve' of andante/T3 because I picked up on the fact they had history very easily by their first posts. And even without their history it seems like 2 towns fighting to me. He does seem scummy for this. If he didn't have 2 votes already I'd feel more comfortable with voting for him right now.

[T3]

Yes do you generally try to solve a case in less than 24 hours? Why is ceejay changing his mind scummy?

I don't have a 'generally' when it comes to mafia because this is my first game. I gave my reason which is that this game has a low player count. I approached the few Avalon games I've played in person for the same reason.

You misunderstood this. I don't get why T3 townreads andante.

Since CJ clarified this, I no longer think that was scummy from him.

Tell me more about green feel T3.

What's his sincerest post?

This question doesn't seem fruitful to me.

So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

I don't like that his reads here aren't substantiated.

VOTE: T3

found a maf

explain?

there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet

I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.

Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.

VOTE: Andante

This seems like a stretch.




I'm surprised by froggodoggo's 'hero solve' of andante/T3 because I picked up on the fact they had history very easily by their first posts. And even without their history it seems like 2 towns fighting to me. He does seem scummy for this. If he didn't have 2 votes already I'd feel more comfortable with voting for him right now.

ceejay not being able to substantiate his reads seem to more likely be a playstyle thing?

[T3]

It’s certainly not scummy in of itself.

[T3]

I don’t think I phrased that clearly. Him not saying why his reads are what they are in the post he says them isn’t scummy.

[BloodB0t]

I agree that not including the reasons within the post itself is not AI. As far as substantiation of CJ's reads, all I'm seeing is that he first simply agreed with froggo's hero solve, for the reason that the conflict ended too quickly, repeating froggo's reason.

Then he said he suddenly realized the past history. Then he points out #21 as townie from andante. Okay, that's some substance backing his Andante read.

This leaves his reads on T3 & Eiralox still unsubstantiated in my view.

[T3]

Even then, some people might have reasons that for whatever reason they don’t want to say in the moment.

[froggodoggo]

Mafia:
ceejayvinoya
froggodoggo

BWAH?!

[froggodoggo]

One thing that sticks out to me is that CJ asked Frog to sell him on voting andante, but Frog just ignored that request, and CJ ignored Frog's ignoring. Maybe they decided in mafia chat not to talk about it?

i saw it but I didnt want to push even more on Andante until andante came back and answered my questions. i would hope we would not decide to make posts interacting with each other and then decide in scum chat to do absolutely nothing with it. that seems very counter productive to winning a game as mafia

[froggodoggo]

I guess the most interesting part of page 1 for me would be were T3's early reads at the end. I don't entirely get how he decided to townread andante.

I know you had nothing to comment early, but like, here you have frog just coming at my throat like "how dare you ask CJ a question" like, I'm moving forward, but CJ seems very against me "calling you out" even though I'm asking you questions I want feed back on. What are your thoughts about frog not wanting to hear you answer a single question, yet instead "EVERYON ELSE ASKING QUESTIONS IS BAD"

what??? i never said any of that. what are you tallking about

[froggodoggo]

honestly, I think froggo genuinely looks the worst here, like, trying to shut down pushes that are actually going to go places, meanwhile he doesn't have anything that he, himself is actually doing

????????????????????

[froggodoggo]

Like, this just reads as trying to "look busy" and we call the "hero solve" Me and T3, like, you didn't stop for a second to consider that T3 and I might be familiar with each other? one of the recent times we played T3 told me he hated how I play, so like, obviously I'm going to be more annoyed when he starts the game coming at me, you ever think that "conflict" went away so the game actually became enjoyable for both??

no. ur kinda assuming that im omnipotent. if i could assume and consider all of these things i would be curing cancer i promise

[froggodoggo]

like, idk about you, but to me starting a game off by fighting a scum partner sounds like the worst plan, especially in 7p. You "read" of T3 and Andante scum feels like a 0 effort "solve"
and like, shutting down everything directed at CJ... don't you want to have a read there? you say you're null there, but all you've done is start attacking me for asking CJ stuff.... great plan btw if you're genuinely trying to solve CJ... great plan!

again ur extrapolating off of nothing. i asked you 2 questions and your reaction was to ignore them and assume that im questioning you in order to get you off of CJ. you can answer those questions and still push CJ.

[froggodoggo]

I'm surprised by froggodoggo's 'hero solve' of andante/T3 because I picked up on the fact they had history very easily by their first posts. And even without their history it seems like 2 towns fighting to me. He does seem scummy for this. If he didn't have 2 votes already I'd feel more comfortable with voting for him right now.

it was all i had so far and it was my best guess at who scum could be without waiting for other players to start efforting. not a very serious read and I think it's scummy that multiple people are making it out to be one

[froggodoggo]

skimmed thru some posts cause there was a lot but Andante needs to go. she made a conscious choice to not answer my questions and frame it as some sort of scum ploy to halt all game solving. this is another reach from andante that i think is disingenuine and just looks like scum gaslighting town to me.

[froggodoggo]

I'm surprised by froggodoggo's 'hero solve' of andante/T3 because I picked up on the fact they had history very easily by their first posts. And even without their history it seems like 2 towns fighting to me. He does seem scummy for this. If he didn't have 2 votes already I'd feel more comfortable with voting for him right now.

bloodb0t's opening looked like town to me but this pings me hard. sussing someone for not being in the loop with meta is not fruitful but thats whatever. saying that you wont vote me because i already have 2 votes looks like scum holding off in order to appear townier. if you sus me, VOTE ME. i think this inaction is scum.

[froggodoggo]

if anyone had any questions for me please post them again and maybe like bold them even because there was a crap ton of posts and if anyone asked me anything i definitely missed it.

idk what to think abt galron or ceejay. been seeing people say T3 is town based on meta so im cool with that for now, nothing abt their posting pinged me.

i want andante and bloodbot gone.

[T3]

Mafia:
ceejayvinoya
froggodoggo

BWAH?!

Zero engagement with the case on him.

[froggodoggo]

so true

[Aisa]

As required by Normal game guidelines, I have edited a sample Vanilla Townie Role PM into the Setup post.

[T3]

I get the sense froggo isn’t really reading properly?

[froggodoggo]

?

[BloodB0t]

I think he meant that you aren't engaging with my case on you. Though you replied to me in 110 and 115 so I wonder why he doesn't consider that engaging. Or he's not reading properly.

T3, if you read 110 and 115, why do you consider that not engaging?