Open 861: The Turing Test [game over]

[fireisredsir]

hm

this seems like basically the WIFOMiest choice of all possible options

[fireisredsir]

i think the simplest thing tho is that if dann was maf they would want him to stay alive to influence things

i don't even think getting a possible point out of it is worth that loss

[GuiltyLion]

I'll have time to play tonight (about to get on a flight) but my gut reaction is Dann is mafia. Keep in mind mafia are trying to pick a test that's as favorable for them as possible, and also I really raised my eyes at that Dann post about Kitty being "sacrificed" by scum, felt like kinda muddying the wagon and agenda motivated. He also wasn't specific even after I prompted him on it.

But yeah will reread and discuss with yall cause kuti wasn't really inspiring either

[fireisredsir]

and if dann is town then they def would want to kill him

and maybe they have people they think they can associative with kuti so it's not the end of the world to sacrifice

[furtiveglance]

i think the simplest thing tho is that if dann was maf they would want him to stay alive to influence things

i don't even think getting a possible point out of it is worth that loss

That's an interesting point. I could maybe see Dannflor being mafia if you or GuiltyLion was also mafia then, so they still have some thread influence.

[fireisredsir]

thats probably true, they would need a strong leader left alive for it to be worth the possibility of going down 0-2

[GuiltyLion]

I am also not sure that Dann could have had a ton of influence if he pushed a test that failed, that would def burn towncred, so he'd be good for like one or two points max? And then it'd be hard to throw him as a test subject after that?

Idk it's wifomy

[fireisredsir]

ok but like isn't it better to use him to get that one or two points than to use him just to hope that people decide to bet on the wrong side of the WIFOM

[furtiveglance]

The flavour is pretty dark btw, we have to smoke an unconscious person with a gun!

[fireisredsir]

its ok as long as we shoot the robot. they're not people

[furtiveglance]

its ok as long as we shoot the robot. they're not people

This is a good test, see who takes offence.

[Vivax]

Feels like this pick is aimed at me for this post

Spoiler:

We are currently in rvs so nothing is pinging me as awkward or stiff in an uncomfortable mafia way yet.

How do I share photos

Furtive glance and anyone else,

Want to share your old games so I can get a feel of how you play as either alignments

:curtain:

idk what the optimal way to play it is but i just know that town!you would be thinking about it

wouldn't scum!Ari be thinking about how town!Ari would play and how town!Ari would think about it? I don't think this is a town indicative thing

shhhh im letting her pocket me

i think its slightly town indicative. i don't think that ari's main priority as scum is to match how she'd play as town, and i don't think most people would really would have that reaction or that she would expect them to. so if it was performative it was a very directed performance

Why are you trying to pocket her

they seem to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek

but the random town reads from Aristeia make me uneasy, especially in this setup

this sounds like a post made by someone who feels obligated to start posting real content but doesn't really have much to say yet

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Do you believe this is due to AI programming, or a simple human instinct?

Is this going to be a game long gimmick

I'm going to be honest none of these posts or the bolded questions inside of them really feel like genuine thoughts to me. Or rather, they are very surface level questions pushed out so that you have something to say

I'm not really getting the sense you actually want the answers to any of these questions nor that you hope some productivity will spark out of them. I might be being unfair if this is a strategy you've relied on in the past but the first one especially pings me because it strikes me as highly unlikely that anyone would be able to get reasonable value out of trawling through past games of a bunch of players they are unfamiliar with

as the very first step

to getting to know them. It seems like a way to seem productive but actually avoid having to prod people about this game. Instead it would seem more natural to me if you were prodding people about this game.

granted, you are doing that too... sorta. but "how to post photos" and the "is this going to be a game long gimmick" are both questions that like don't really require an answer, or I'm not sure what value you're hoping to gain by posting them in thread

i also find the part of the fireisred's post that you latched onto like the least interesting part because it seems clearly jokey

Yes we are in RVS and you claim nothing has been pinging you as off - but that means I expect your following questions to be trying to prod people that you think are off or just trying to get people out of their comfort zone, but I feel like I'm seeing more just posts to fill space

pedit:

it is very possible your playstyle is more fluffy here and I am misreading you based off that. how would you describe how you're trying to play this early game?

Probably one of the posts you could successfully deduce Dannflor was mafia from. When you project so much rationality into an emotional and posty player like Kuti, you probably have bad intentions while floofing up an ineffective way of looking at an alignment.
That tone though, impressive.

[furtiveglance]

Feels like this pick is aimed at me for this post

Spoiler:

We are currently in rvs so nothing is pinging me as awkward or stiff in an uncomfortable mafia way yet.

How do I share photos

Furtive glance and anyone else,

Want to share your old games so I can get a feel of how you play as either alignments

:curtain:

idk what the optimal way to play it is but i just know that town!you would be thinking about it

wouldn't scum!Ari be thinking about how town!Ari would play and how town!Ari would think about it? I don't think this is a town indicative thing

shhhh im letting her pocket me

i think its slightly town indicative. i don't think that ari's main priority as scum is to match how she'd play as town, and i don't think most people would really would have that reaction or that she would expect them to. so if it was performative it was a very directed performance

Why are you trying to pocket her

they seem to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek

but the random town reads from Aristeia make me uneasy, especially in this setup

this sounds like a post made by someone who feels obligated to start posting real content but doesn't really have much to say yet

Code: Select all

Do you believe this is due to AI programming, or a simple human instinct?

Is this going to be a game long gimmick

I'm going to be honest none of these posts or the bolded questions inside of them really feel like genuine thoughts to me. Or rather, they are very surface level questions pushed out so that you have something to say

I'm not really getting the sense you actually want the answers to any of these questions nor that you hope some productivity will spark out of them. I might be being unfair if this is a strategy you've relied on in the past but the first one especially pings me because it strikes me as highly unlikely that anyone would be able to get reasonable value out of trawling through past games of a bunch of players they are unfamiliar with

as the very first step

to getting to know them. It seems like a way to seem productive but actually avoid having to prod people about this game. Instead it would seem more natural to me if you were prodding people about this game.

granted, you are doing that too... sorta. but "how to post photos" and the "is this going to be a game long gimmick" are both questions that like don't really require an answer, or I'm not sure what value you're hoping to gain by posting them in thread

i also find the part of the fireisred's post that you latched onto like the least interesting part because it seems clearly jokey

Yes we are in RVS and you claim nothing has been pinging you as off - but that means I expect your following questions to be trying to prod people that you think are off or just trying to get people out of their comfort zone, but I feel like I'm seeing more just posts to fill space

pedit:

it is very possible your playstyle is more fluffy here and I am misreading you based off that. how would you describe how you're trying to play this early game?

Probably one of the posts you could successfully deduce Dannflor was mafia from. When you project so much rationality into an emotional and posty player like Kuti, you probably have bad intentions while floofing up an ineffective way of looking at an alignment.
That tone though, impressive.

Mafia tailored this test for you, did they? How kind

[Vivax]

Feels like this pick is aimed at me for this post

Spoiler:

We are currently in rvs so nothing is pinging me as awkward or stiff in an uncomfortable mafia way yet.

How do I share photos

Furtive glance and anyone else,

Want to share your old games so I can get a feel of how you play as either alignments

:curtain:

idk what the optimal way to play it is but i just know that town!you would be thinking about it

wouldn't scum!Ari be thinking about how town!Ari would play and how town!Ari would think about it? I don't think this is a town indicative thing

shhhh im letting her pocket me

i think its slightly town indicative. i don't think that ari's main priority as scum is to match how she'd play as town, and i don't think most people would really would have that reaction or that she would expect them to. so if it was performative it was a very directed performance

Why are you trying to pocket her

they seem to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek

but the random town reads from Aristeia make me uneasy, especially in this setup

this sounds like a post made by someone who feels obligated to start posting real content but doesn't really have much to say yet

Code: Select all

Do you believe this is due to AI programming, or a simple human instinct?

Is this going to be a game long gimmick

I'm going to be honest none of these posts or the bolded questions inside of them really feel like genuine thoughts to me. Or rather, they are very surface level questions pushed out so that you have something to say

I'm not really getting the sense you actually want the answers to any of these questions nor that you hope some productivity will spark out of them. I might be being unfair if this is a strategy you've relied on in the past but the first one especially pings me because it strikes me as highly unlikely that anyone would be able to get reasonable value out of trawling through past games of a bunch of players they are unfamiliar with

as the very first step

to getting to know them. It seems like a way to seem productive but actually avoid having to prod people about this game. Instead it would seem more natural to me if you were prodding people about this game.

granted, you are doing that too... sorta. but "how to post photos" and the "is this going to be a game long gimmick" are both questions that like don't really require an answer, or I'm not sure what value you're hoping to gain by posting them in thread

i also find the part of the fireisred's post that you latched onto like the least interesting part because it seems clearly jokey

Yes we are in RVS and you claim nothing has been pinging you as off - but that means I expect your following questions to be trying to prod people that you think are off or just trying to get people out of their comfort zone, but I feel like I'm seeing more just posts to fill space

pedit:

it is very possible your playstyle is more fluffy here and I am misreading you based off that. how would you describe how you're trying to play this early game?

Probably one of the posts you could successfully deduce Dannflor was mafia from. When you project so much rationality into an emotional and posty player like Kuti, you probably have bad intentions while floofing up an ineffective way of looking at an alignment.
That tone though, impressive.

Mafia tailored this test for you, did they? How kind

lol I like the burn from you here. It's far from kind.

I've never scumread and push Kuti in my offsite career, but her posting style is a lot different from what I'm used to in the games I've known her to be town.

On the other hand, I get my previous concerns about Danns post dangled in front of me.

[furtiveglance]

I don't think Fireisredsir really said this, just kind of hinted at it, but I was thinking about mafia just using the test to kill off a UTR. And it's definitely not worth it for mafia. Besides, if they did, Loki or GL were the more obvious choices. Mafia definitely think they can win this one.

[fireisredsir]

flipping a maf d1 is actually a p huge deal, not just for the point, but bc it affects the numbers for the rest of the game

if we had flipped town d1 we would be at 6 town vs 4 maf, now we're 7v3. that's a huge difference in terms of the social control maf can have. town flip means that every day, the threshold for votes is equal to the number of town alive. maf only needs 1 town to incorrectly, and for every town that does, they have room for 1 more mafia to bus

instead we have one extra town voice and one fewer scum voice. and that effect will carry through in every future day as well

kinda makes me think it's less likely than i previously thought that maf would willingly bus d1 unless they just didn't think that far ahead

[Vivax]

I don't think Fireisredsir really said this, just kind of hinted at it, but I was thinking about mafia just using the test to kill off a UTR. And it's definitely not worth it for mafia. Besides, if they did, Loki or GL were the more obvious choices. Mafia definitely think they can win this one.

What's UTR? Untranslated region?

Fwiw I could see Kuti mafia in this game. Will have to dwell a bit on it

[fireisredsir]

universal townread (or under the radar, depending on who you ask)

[Vivax]

Well, if I don't assume shenanigans here, I'm leaning Kuti M from tone. It's more cheerful when town. This was nervous. Tried to open a bunch of games but didn't work out save on MU.
Dannflor next

[Vivax]

Yeah if Dann is mafia from that ISO I'll eat a hat

[furtiveglance]

Yeah if Dann is mafia from that ISO I'll eat a hat

Sounds like you're ready to vote!

[Vivax]

Yeah if Dann is mafia from that ISO I'll eat a hat

Sounds like you're ready to vote!

That depends on whether I trust the game too

[Vivax]

But I can keep that thought for later, let's see the votes.
If town, you probably shouldn't vote with me or tops one

I have reasons to think Kuti

was

mafia and Dannflor

was

town. But if they flipped differently, that would throw my assumptions for this game on their head.

VOTE: Kuti

[fireisredsir]

getting rid of dann would also be useful for maf if he had correct scumreads

which ig we'll find out after the flip

kitty/kuti/roden/bell/GL team, im watching you

[fireisredsir]

jk bussing like that probably just puts maf team in too bad of a spot, so i don't really think it's GL

Spoiler:

or do i