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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:54 pm

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In post 644, Not_Mafia wrote:Now I'll throw the question back to you, cause you want to blame me for that lim, why were you even on it in the first place?
because a lot of their posts pinged me as scum and i wanted to pressure them to see if they could change my mind. quickhammering them does not accomplish that and in no way does my vote include anything abt wanting to kill them d1

why did you abusively pressure alianna? what was that supposed to accomplish? what sort of reaction were you looking for?
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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:54 pm

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the quote is from fun times not not_mafia
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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:55 pm

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VOTE: fun times
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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:56 pm

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In post 654, Fun Times wrote:Andante actually said to me in our discord that she thinks mafia would fear kill us. I told her I don’t see why sunce we were wrong.
this is so lamist. there is no reason to post this other than to grab at town cred lol
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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:58 pm

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probably missed some stuff but reading through fun times play end of day 1 made me furious. i see the reasons for them being town but i want to personally be convinced.
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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:58 pm

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I WILL AVENGE YOU ALIANNA <3
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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:00 pm

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In post 576, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Also what is this style i’m seeing from Gamma.
All Gamma does is say "gross post", "off vibes", "bad"
Like there is no substance at all.
i'm assuming that's just gamma's playstyle, but the one game i played with them they were SK and a mafia was TRing them d1 for meta. i have no qualms with gamma's play rn tho
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:02 pm

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In post 592, Fun Times wrote:then the pop in just locked me into that SR and yeah.
YOU WERE LITERALLY FLAMING THEM FOR NOT RESPONDING AND THEN THEY DID AND YOU SAID THATS A SCUM TELL TOO

thats so fkin fake
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:03 pm

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dont rlly get the norwee sus. rp is rp. bella why did you vote there?
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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:05 pm

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penguin power is solvey. it looks legit to me. dont get the somnus sus either. maybe i should try reading more. ill try to be around at more convenient times tmrw so i can talk to ppl in thread
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:05 pm

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Gonna come back to this after a bit more sleep, I just caught up and am now scum reading everyone apart from sonmus (old news) and gamma (new news)., p-edit I'll.ecpamd later but I'm just not getting town readable content from the slot? Before day start it was a lot of posts and not much content, but even though the noise to content ratio is better today I still don't feel I have much of a handle on what they actually think. I dunno, do you see it?
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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:07 pm

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no i need to sleep too LOL
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:07 pm

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In post 700, froggodoggo wrote:
In post 644, Not_Mafia wrote:Now I'll throw the question back to you, cause you want to blame me for that lim, why were you even on it in the first place?

why did you abusively pressure alianna? what was that supposed to accomplish? what sort of reaction were you looking for?
At no point did I abusively pressure Alianna, and Alianna, if you felt anything I said was abusive I’m sorry.

I have no intent on commenting on any of this right now, saw this, and had to speak up, I know I can come off as agressive, when I see something I get passionate about/believe in, I run with it, it’s how I’ve always been. And if people didn’t hammer, I likely would’ve found someone else I was “100% certain was mafia”
I do not appreciate you calling it abusive though, and would prefer that my play is not referred to as “abusive” aggressive is fine, abusive is not.

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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:09 pm

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i disagree but i will not use it from now on
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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:11 pm

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you disagree? what parts of my push on Alianna are the most concerning to you?

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Post Post #715 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:12 pm

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I thought I explained my thought process pretty clearly, but I guess not

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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:15 pm

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I have no desire to even play this game right now, but would rather clear this up before it’s all nancy, cause obv nancy can’t speak for me, and I don’t want people thinking the wrong thing.

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Post Post #717 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:36 pm

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In post 424, Fun Times wrote:yeah, like it hit e-1 then started dissolving, I'd also just be down to yeet NM and call it a day... maybe. I haven't seen Alliana here since I started calling her maf, frozen scum?
-Andante
In post 430, Fun Times wrote:
In post 429, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 428, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 424, Fun Times wrote:yeah, like it hit e-1 then started dissolving, I'd also just be down to yeet NM and call it a day... maybe. I haven't seen Alliana here since I started calling her maf, frozen scum?
-Andante
Didn’t you call her scum just some hours ago? And you say the could be frozen scum? :eek:
She called me frozen scum after 45 seconds so...seems she wants a very rapid response.
HEY HEY!!!
Your case was different!!

I 100% said something yesterday about Alianna being scum, and she still hasn't responded... sus

-Andante
you kept spamming that she’s frozen scum. this accomplishes nothing. your point is made. alianna still hasn’t seen your post and spamming it doesn’t make that happen. people who are reading the thread have seen your post. this is not aggressive, this is shoving your sus down other people’s throats.
In post 441, Fun Times wrote:
In post 437, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I would like Alianna to come back and respond in thread before proceeding to yeet her.
frozen scum...

-andante
In post 451, Fun Times wrote:LMAOOOOO THAT POP IN.... IM SOLD. ALI SCUM!!!

-Andante
like a couple minutes after you call her frozen scum she comes back and you immediately start calling her scum again for the complete opposite reason? you’re not giving any feasible way out here, it’s just obnoxious. damned if she does damned if she doesn’t. how is this aggressive? you’re not bringing any points to her attention you’re just yelling.
In post 454, Fun Times wrote:
In post 447, Alianna wrote:Hi.
I'm back.
I apologize for having been a village idiot.
What specifically do y'all want me to respond to?
"I missed everything, but I know yall want me to respond to stuff" right... if you know we want a response, you know of at least 1 post, this is literally scum that was told to go post... you can't convince me otherwise

-Andante
In post 455, Fun Times wrote:The timing of that pop in too... right as "we're gonna wait for Ali to do stuff before doing anything" like, there is no freaking way that was a coincidence... lmaoooooooo this is too great

-Andante
In post 464, Fun Times wrote:in Ali's ISO it looks like she'd quote stuff to respond to.. when she returned from not being here... that is not the cause here. now she's in panic mode, like "what's up? tell me what I missed!!" like, just read the game from where you left off.. quote the stuff you wanna respond to? like you've been doing....

frozen scum... like, I'll say it again, there's no freaking way ali is town here.

-Andante
multiple posts mocking alianna’s theoretical scum game and laughing at her for not being inhumanly proactive. you did not give her a chance whatsoever. do you really expect someone to ever react positively to this?? regardless of Ali’s alignment this is unfair and unhelpful to town and to me looks like someone trying to overwhelm town into an easy miselim.
In post 479, Fun Times wrote:
In post 470, Alianna wrote:
In post 465, Enchant wrote:I am open to locktown Alianna at this point.
Heck to the yes. Though I am slightly skeptical that town would want to locktown me.
Why no response to your wagon? No response to my request to a link to a scumgame? Why no reads? Why literally nothing town indicative from you in response to all of this?
here things start to get better but it’s just too late. you’re still not actually trying to work with her. you’re still bombarding her. Aggressive play helps determine someone’s alignment by putting them in sticky situations where they answer instinctually, giving you greater insight into their alignment. I have no faith that you would’ve ever played this differently, you are setting up Ali for failure by forcibly putting her in an inescapable corner of doom. It’s a shitty way to push someone out d1, there’s no turning point in your read just die scum die scum die scum. She was not scum. You are. o7
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:51 pm

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Nice, so, we bring up something that genuinely frustrates me IRL, but don't wanna talk about it? ok, well, I'm clearly not able to sleep like this, so here we go! I'll walk you through my entire Ali progression, since that seems to be the issue here. and I'll spell out every little thing for you.

In post 293, Fun Times wrote:ok, well, I think Sommus is town, I'm pretty certain Alianna is scum, that ISO is atrocious. like, you start the game off claiming VT - cause you think you're being funny? and then you acknowldge you see a claim but "I don't know what to think of it" then right after BlueBlooded votes Enchant, you vote enchant... and only after no one else joins, you back off. like, why is your reaction to a claim "idk what I think of the claim. OH I MUST VOTE IT!!!" then later claim "lol I was RVS testing Enchant" since when do we ever RVS test pr claims?? like.. idk, nothing about that ISO looks good, looks like others are SRing Alianna, so hey, maybe I'm right!

Nancy can have our vote though, I'm just here to let people know what I think.

-Andante
^ So I picked a name that was just kinda around to go ISO, I did. and I HATED that ISO, like, later, I was trying to think on the "who would start the game claiming VT when there's no VTs" but that thought process wasn't going super far, cause I can honestly see both saying it, the Enchant voting stuff just really didn't seem towny to me, and like the timing of pivoting off of enchant just felt like scum going "ok, this won't go any further, time to go elsewhere" I had these thoughts, and shared them, no one really cared, thus my next post... (explained below)
In post 372, Fun Times wrote:
In post 362, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Alianne’s vote on Ausuka was a bit of an overreaction, and the ensuing downplaying of their vote and read was pretty bad, so i’m fine voting there.
That's the only reason you're fine voting there?

-Andante
^ In my next post I even make about Aliana, I question someone's SR there, cause it's for an entirely different reasoning than mine, and it's not at all for anything that I actually SRed, so I was curious and wanted to know more about what norwee was thinking.
In post 374, Fun Times wrote:oh yall don't have much from her? look idk, I just got here, that sounds like something yall can talk to her about, we're a hydra, are we not? there's 2 of us. so 1 can cover for the other. it's as simple as that. I'm just kinda confused on why you're all "I need your other half!!!" like, I'm here, why isn't that good enough?


on another note, idk why but I'm kinda hesitant of this aliana thing, cause Norwee's single reason.. like it's standing out so much... "Oh I'll join the wagon cause of this 1 thing" where it's like, I SR like 5 other things... idk though,

-Andante
^ Like, I even started having doubts, I mean, in hindsight I should've started talking to the other Aliana voters, but hey, I only got to talk to norwee, and I believe around this point is where I kinda just drop the sr, like it's still there, but if no one else is interested, I just go "ok whatever"
In post 398, Fun Times wrote:
In post 397, Ausuka wrote:Andante I thought we were friends
WE ARE!!! You're in charge!!! I sheep!!

All is good, cat and dog aren't killing each other, dog wants walk though so..... yeah probably gonna go do that soon before it's 100...

but yeah, overall I don't have a lot of reads here, unsure of where to go, Alliana was my 1 confident SR, BlueBlooded feels a bit odd, like, why are you focussed on where my hydra partner is? When I'm the one who outed the Alliana read, so if you have questions on that you just ask me?

but like overall, half yall are just like purposely trying to be impossible to read? idk what yall are doing, whelp. hopefully I can come up with a reads list in the next 7 days, and I'll be living by that tbh cause yeah... reasons

-Andante
^ The gamestate was just kinda weird, like I was messing around having fun, around this time, no one there was discussing alianna with me (I don't think) I'm giving my raw unfiltered thoughts, like you were more than welcome to have asked me about anything there, I mean now, after a town flip, I really do think BlueBlood's actions that "I was gonna TR on a scumflip" are odd, but hey, not like anyone is gonna want to hear about that. uhhh here I even go "I was confident on alianna, but people elsewhere are grabbing my attention" (so focus was probably just gonna shift)
In post 421, Fun Times wrote:well if we spend the next 8 IRL days on day 1, I'll be useless the rest of the game, and most people seem to just be going "idk it's d1.."

like.. so do we just yeet alliana and move on? or are we sitting here for 8 more days?

-Andante
^No one was actually doing anything even close to "playing the game" I thought it was a 14 day d1, so for 6 days in, I thought waiting around for 8 more days was going to be just completely useless - and hey, no one wanted to point out to me it just started (also, side note, not related to this at all, goldfish was all "no one let me post day 1" well, we had almost 2 full IRL days for day 1... which isn't "no time" so like, you saying "yall didn't let me post" actually makes me feel a little sus of your slot... that's a later thing though)
We had enchant starting d2 here "no one listened to me!!!" however, I will point out, I kept repeating over and over, I was sus of alianna... plenty of opportunities to go "Andante, no."
In post 424, Fun Times wrote:yeah, like it hit e-1 then started dissolving, I'd also just be down to yeet NM and call it a day... maybe. I haven't seen Alliana here since I started calling her maf, frozen scum?
-Andante
^ At this point it was almost 24 hours since my first "I think Alianna is maf" and most people check in at least every 24 hours, so that's where I was starting to actually get sus, I see scum freeze all the time!!
In post 426, Fun Times wrote:
In post 263, Alianna wrote:
In post 261, froggodoggo wrote:What are our thoughts on claiming this game? I don’t see any particular claim that would make me want to unvote someone, even a N1 cop since if I think they are scum then I can’t trust the check anyways. Should we skip the whole claim after intent thing? I’m not super experienced in this regard so would like to hear opinions on this!!
I think claiming after intent is a good thing. If we wagon a cop with a result, we want to know what that result is before we flip them. Otherwise, claims don't mean much.
If we're talking massclaim, the major upside is that maf are basically locked into their claims and can't get away with as many shenanigans. The downside is that they'd be able to strategize around knowing what everyone is.
mech talk is usually something scum does... and like, basically nothing in this ISO is "I think ..."

-Andante
^ EVERY single game I play, I've seen scum just sit there and talk mech.. like that's all this post was screaming to me... "MECH... SCUM!" cause it's "should we claim? cause this could happen or this" and hey, scum LOVES mech. it's "busywork" that makes them look productive... and I comment on nothing in the ISO being like "here's my reads" so, if we're not giving reads, and talking mech, I'm going to sr it.
In post 427, Fun Times wrote:VOTE: Alliana e-2 now

-Andante
^ I vote, and let people know 2 more to lim, so no one accidentally hammers/we're aware of what the numbers are looking like.
In post 430, Fun Times wrote:
In post 429, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 428, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 424, Fun Times wrote:yeah, like it hit e-1 then started dissolving, I'd also just be down to yeet NM and call it a day... maybe. I haven't seen Alliana here since I started calling her maf, frozen scum?
-Andante
Didn’t you call her scum just some hours ago? And you say the could be frozen scum? :eek:
She called me frozen scum after 45 seconds so...seems she wants a very rapid response.
HEY HEY!!!
Your case was different!!

I 100% said something yesterday about Alianna being scum, and she still hasn't responded... sus

-Andante
^ 24 hours, no answer.. I try to talk to someone about it, cause I was ignored earlier.
In post 446, Fun Times wrote:
In post 443, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Only fair she gets a chance to respond to the wagon, no?

I would think a stranger process is just to yeet her while she isn't here
yeah fun fact, nancy is opposed to limming her before she shows up, but no one is doing anything, and I'm trigger happy soooooo this frozen scum looks great to me!

-Andante
I wanted her to have the chance to show up and defend herself before actually yeeting - well, nancy wanted her to show up, but like I agreed that was the best move
In post 451, Fun Times wrote:LMAOOOOO THAT POP IN.... IM SOLD. ALI SCUM!!!

-Andante
^ And then to show up immediately after we're like "needs to show up before getting yeeted" I thought FOR SURE this was scum in scumchat going "yo, you need to go post" - and this is where I know I became tunneled, because at this point, all signs point to maf, no signs point to town, and yeah.
In post 454, Fun Times wrote:
In post 447, Alianna wrote:Hi.
I'm back.
I apologize for having been a village idiot.
What specifically do y'all want me to respond to?
"I missed everything, but I know yall want me to respond to stuff" right... if you know we want a response, you know of at least 1 post, this is literally scum that was told to go post... you can't convince me otherwise

-Andante
Like, here, it just screams that she's been following along, like... the only way you'd know there's "lots to respond to" is you've been following along, but then also, in the ISO, if you look at where Alianna was gon, then returns, each time she came back, she'd quote stuff and give comments. here? she didn't. it was this "I know I'm top lim, how do I fix this" vibe, and like, yeah, I SR that
In post 455, Fun Times wrote:The timing of that pop in too... right as "we're gonna wait for Ali to do stuff before doing anything" like, there is no freaking way that was a coincidence... lmaoooooooo this is too great

-Andante
^ I was CONVINCED we had a maf, explained with above
In post 464, Fun Times wrote:in Ali's ISO it looks like she'd quote stuff to respond to.. when she returned from not being here... that is not the cause here. now she's in panic mode, like "what's up? tell me what I missed!!" like, just read the game from where you left off.. quote the stuff you wanna respond to? like you've been doing....

frozen scum... like, I'll say it again, there's no freaking way ali is town here.

-Andante
and I explained this in 2 above, it's like, at this point in time, my entire mind was just SCREAMING "you are right!! gottem!!!" I mean, idk how else to explain it? like, a typical andante sr? yeah. I mean, if Ali went "I'm overwhelmed" I probably would've tried to ask some easy questions, but she was just there. responding to some things in the moment, clearly not rereading, cause if she really was gone, she'd be reading for what she missed... then yeah she selfed and that was it.

-Andante

p.edit, oooh you did answer me!! well, I'll post this then see what concerns you have, it's way too late for this right now lol
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Post Post #719 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:05 pm

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In post 717, froggodoggo wrote:you kept spamming that she’s frozen scum. this accomplishes nothing. your point is made. alianna still hasn’t seen your post and spamming it doesn’t make that happen. people who are reading the thread have seen your post. this is not aggressive, this is shoving your sus down other people’s throats.
if no one responds to/engages with something I say, I'm going to repeat it. I come from a fast paced mafia background, and the only way anyone sees what you say is you have to repeat what you say, otherwise it's burried. 430, I was literally joking around with penguin, 424 was the first time I said it? I can't say it once?
In post 717, froggodoggo wrote:like a couple minutes after you call her frozen scum she comes back and you immediately start calling her scum again for the complete opposite reason? you’re not giving any feasible way out here, it’s just obnoxious. damned if she does damned if she doesn’t. how is this aggressive? you’re not bringing any points to her attention you’re just yelling.
ok this is starting to feel like you're nitpicking my posts based on my style of play now... the pop in there was extremely sus, blueblood agreed with me!! you're not calling blue sus though? the caps was cause " A HA! IM RIGHT!" and hey, people told me to chill, and I did, I left the thread, so I'm really not sure the issue here? like, is your plan to just not be around, then yell at me cause I was there and being very passionate about the game? look, I'm sorry you hate my play style, but like, my play style seems to be your issue with me here, and that's not something I can really change?? but also, you make it sound like it's this huge thing, but I looked at my ISO, it really wasn't THAT MANY posts I even had in the first place... I can definitely REALLY spam, and I came no where close to that this game
In post 717, froggodoggo wrote:multiple posts mocking alianna’s theoretical scum game and laughing at her for not being inhumanly proactive. you did not give her a chance whatsoever. do you really expect someone to ever react positively to this?? regardless of Ali’s alignment this is unfair and unhelpful to town and to me looks like someone trying to overwhelm town into an easy miselim.
It's literally not mocking, that's essentially how I was reading that, she had plenty of chances with the others. like right after this, I literally walked away from the game. She was not FORCED to have me sit there screaming she was maf, she had nancy asking reasonable questions, and others doing whatever. "unfair and unhelpful to town" do we really want to talk about what's unfair/UNHELPFUL to town, cause I can tell you this. most people here TR me, so all this? completely unhelpful. Spending all my time/effort here on you nitpicking everything I say and going "this sucks!!" like, ALL THIS IS, IS A CRITIQUE OF MY PLAYSTYLE. how is this helping us find scum? like, this is so not worth my time, but whatever, 1am, I can't sleep, here we go.

last thing you quote is nancy, also, even with you assuming it's me... "It gets better, but it's too late!" again... how is all this not just telling me my approach to that SR was shit?


woooo glad we're just wasting time here, like, I'm happy to discuss whatever with you after the game, but this is honestly just a playstyle issue, and like, whatever. you're in luck, as I've been saying, hydra is about to be all nancy

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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:55 pm

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VOTE: Fun Times
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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:16 pm

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VC 2.2
froggodoggo (2)- Not_Mafia, Fun Times
fun times (2)- froggodoggo, Enchant
NorwegianboyEE (1)- Bellaphant
Not_Mafia (1)- NorwegianboyEE

Not voting (5)- PenguinPower, Somnus, BlueBloodedToffee, Gamma Emerald, GoldfishFromTheMoon

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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:24 pm

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In post 710, Bellaphant wrote:Gonna come back to this after a bit more sleep, I just caught up and am now scum reading everyone apart from sonmus (old news) and gamma (new news)., p-edit I'll.ecpamd later but I'm just not getting town readable content from the slot? Before day start it was a lot of posts and not much content, but even though the noise to content ratio is better today I still don't feel I have much of a handle on what they actually think. I dunno, do you see it?
I think i will be even more inactive from now on because i just got a bit trouble with my health.
Nothing too serious i hope but it’s gonna knock me out for a while.
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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:25 pm

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Also omg, tl;dr these posts…
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:03 am

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In post 700, froggodoggo wrote:
In post 644, Not_Mafia wrote:Now I'll throw the question back to you, cause you want to blame me for that lim, why were you even on it in the first place?
because a lot of their posts pinged me as scum and i wanted to pressure them to see if they could change my mind. quickhammering them does not accomplish that and in no way does my vote include anything abt wanting to kill them d1

why did you abusively pressure alianna? what was that supposed to accomplish? what sort of reaction were you looking for?
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