Open 862: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Enchant]

Overall i agree, it's case per case, but example is not best one.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: froggodoggo

Why?

I believe I disliked how his FT push didn’t feel like a real thought process
But atp that’s not really relevant to how I want to approach that slot
UNVOTE:

Feels like an opportunistic and grimy vote choice

Can you explain how Enchant's vote was opportunistic?

Felt like there was semi-substantial pressure on FT from Norwee and froggo
The vote thus felt like trying to predict wagon dynamics and tack on an extra vote
Enchant recently got criticized for a quickhammer so I kinda think scum!Enchant might rubberband into trying to vote very early on what he thinks is a viable lim wagon

But i got criticized as town.

As mafia i can as well kingdom come everything on sight, and there's virtually nothing stopping me.

You say this but it doesn’t change that you

could have

done what I’m proposing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Has your read on Gamma changed?

I felt like our 1v1 was making the game intolerable so i backed off to give it more thought.

What are your current thoughts on me?

[Enchant]

You say this but it doesn’t change that you

could have

done what I’m proposing.

Well yes.

But fact that i "could" do something, doesh't make me mafia.

[Bellaphant]

Not all mech spec is scummy. Enchant wasn't scummy in deptuy cultists. Just mech spec is scummy, yes.

1. You was cult in that game.
2. I claimed not CCed PR, and conftowned due of that, nothing to do with "scummy not scummy".

There was mech spec outside of this, I'm not talking about your claim at all really?

[Fun Times]

I'm being obtuse? That's fucking rich. Are you not reading my posts?

I'll state it again, just to be clear.

YOUR SLOT GAVE ALIANNA NO WAY OUT. That is scummy.

I AM NOT BLAMING THE ENTIRE ELIM ON YOU. I AM SAYING THAT YOUR PUSH/VOTE WAS BAD AND IT LOOKS SCUMMY.

You have not, and continue not to, refute my point regarding your slot giving Alianna no way out because you know it is true and this is the main cause for my read.

Instead, you chose to try and conflate two issues so that you could call my hypocritical when in fact I am not being hypocritical whatsoever. Now you've resorted to calling me obtuse because, again, you simply have no answer to my reasoning for why I scum read you.

VOTE: Fun Times

You’re either obtuse or scum. Should I make 50,000 more posts saying this, because I would absolutely enjoy doing that.

I’m done with you.

~N

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I see you still can't refute my reasoning.

Stop acting like it doesn't exist.

[Fun Times]

Bella, you town read Somnus before 330 so can you go back a little further please?

What do you like about how they approached Enchant? Can you quote post it?

What response regarding low hanging fruit? Again, can you quote it please?

Pedit - What do you think about Norwegian's 484 ?

Pedit again - I don't particularly like that answer Bella. I feel like you're hedging your reads this game and scum reading Norwegian is a very safe take for you to have right now.

@Fun Times - It's not a silly question to ask because you use meta as a defence for everything. So it's like 'forget what you think because x, y and z think we're town because meta so you should too!' which I don't really buy.

Pedit again - How is it hypocritical?

I'll go back later and quote but enchant claims n5 doc or something really early and somnus just asks sensible questions.

Much later, probably after my read, but still very much about my read going into n1, which is what I was talking about, he says that nm and enchant are both lhf (I think in response to someone else saying it, maybe me???) But he doesn't want to elim either right now. It felt very organic.

I'll check that norwee posts in a bit, but you accused me of 'hedging my reads' day one and I wasn't, in fact I asked for yours in response to me being explicit and you basically responsed by calling me 'sassy' instead. So, some reads?

Plus, my norwee read was fairly early and I actually started the Alinaa wagon, (my vote was formatted wrong and didn't count but I'm p sure I was first, if not second), so I really don't know where this accusation has come from? Especially not twice.

Someone on that wagon NOT lacking self-awareness.

Imo, people jumping on us for it are > rand chance of being scum here.

~N

[Fun Times]

I see you still can't refute my reasoning.

Stop acting like it doesn't exist.

You’re either obtuse or scum.

Whee this is fun, I could do this all day and not get bored.

I only respond to intelligent posts, sorry to disappoint.

~N

[Fun Times]

Adante already went through this and explained her reasoning, so you’re wasting your time with this BBT. If you’re not actually scum here doing this, look elsewhere.

You’re not welcome.

~N

[Fun Times]

BBT is doing the exact same thing he did to Ausuka. He seems to think - if he’s town - BIG if - that this is somehow an effective way to scumhunt, when it’s in reality an effective way just to piss people off and cause them to just ignore your posts.

If I wasn’t more suss on Norwee or Frog, I’d probably switch my vote to you but I think this scummy play from you might be nia.

But I FOS anyone on that wagon, trying to specifically scapegoat us for her lim.

~N

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nice misrep.

I'll keep my vote on you, thanks though.

[Something_Smart]

VC 2.4

NorwegianboyEE (3)- Bellaphant, Enchant, Fun Times
Enchant (2)- Jake The Wolfie, NorwegianboyEE
Jake The Wolfie (1)- Not_Mafia
Fun Times (1)- BlueBloodedToffee

Not voting (4)- PenguinPower, Somnus, GoldfishFromTheMoon, Gamma Emerald

With 11 alive it takes 6 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-22 16:00:00)

Mod notes: Prodding GoldfishFromTheMoon.

[Fun Times]

Nice misrep.

I'll keep my vote on

you

town, thanks though.

FIFY

I apologize for the use of the word “intelligent” earlier, a probably much better word or words might be I don’t respond to posts as dense as all fuck. Sorry for the misunderstood.


Again, Andante already answered all of this when Frog shitpushed her. so why you think it makes an iota of sense asking me to restate that is anyone’s guess.

~N

[Gamma Emerald]

@BBT I feel like you’re playstyle clashing with Nancy here
It’s against her nature to ever admit she’s been scummy, so expecting her to acknowledge your point is a lost cause

[Fun Times]

@BBT I feel like you’re playstyle clashing with Nancy here
It’s against her nature to ever admit she’s been scummy, so expecting her to acknowledge your point is a lost cause

His question essentially amounts to spam since Andante already responded to it like a gazillion times already and I see no point in restating the obvious. BBT is either not reading of fake solving. Which one here, is anyone’s guess.

~N

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Andante didn't answer it. Andante gave a narrative of what happened in thread - I know what happened in thread because I read it.

Andante did not address the main concern of giving Ali no wiggle room in terms of scum if she doesn't post and scum if she does.

If they did address this, please explicitly quote that explantion for me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Gamma, what do you think about Penguin?

[Fun Times]

Andante didn't answer it. Andante gave a narrative of what happened in thread - I know what happened in thread because I read it.

Andante did not address the main concern of giving Ali no wiggle room in terms of scum if she doesn't post and scum if she does.

If they did address this, please explicitly quote that explantion for me.

I think she did but I’ll pass along your message.

I still think you’re either obtuse, a hypocrite or scum however.

~N

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I've already addressed the hypocrite comment and how that absolutely doesn't apply but you're clearly too dense to see that.

[PenguinPower]

lol - fun times is obvtown...that's a horrible push.

Why is there an Enchant wagon currently?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, what do you think about Penguin?

He feels somewhat towny rn
I’m slightly busy rn otherwise I might try to add more but this is my general stance rn

[Fun Times]

I've already addressed the hypocrite comment and how that absolutely doesn't apply but you're clearly too dense to see that.

Oh I thought you were calling us scum but now we’re just dense. Wow, colour me NOT impressed.

~N

[Bellaphant]

I wasn't really speaking to you regarding the Ali wagon, I was more interested in your town read of Somnus. You claimed a town read on him in 330 and I was asking you to show me where this read formed. Those 3 posts you quoted could easily come from either alignment a sit involved a lot of mech spec so I'm still unsure how you formed that town read unless there are other posts before 330?

I don't understand the reference to town!Norwegian finding a scum slip? Or the reference to Fun Times either.

I mentioned the Ali thing because you keep saying I'm hesitant or hedgey with my reads - starting a wagon isn't that.

I've explained about somnus': I'm not going to quote his whole day one iso at you - I'm not sure what you want? You asked for examples of him thinking critically Ans asking questions, which I showed you, then your point was that mech could be scumny, which, yes, but the rest of his iso isn't. You also seem to be unhappy that I went from 'a bit of a town read' to 'more of a town read" as the day went on.

As to the norwee bit, I'm just confused. You literally said it was evidence of town!norwee finding a scum slip, but the rest of that quote is fun times saying they caught a scum.

[Bellaphant]

I feel like that is Town!Norwegian trying to claim early credit for a scum!Ali flip.

Given Ali flipped town, then 484 seems unlikely to come from scum.

Will get to your longer post when I can

I responded to this, which is what you said. You then asked me why I was talking about town!norwee and claiming a scum slip????