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Vote Count 6.4

5 Rad (Best Bird, PookyTheMagicalBear, butterflies, Cytosine and Guanine, Mislim Bait)

2 MalcolmTucker (Cat Scratch Fever, Rad)

1 BlueBloodedToffee (Roden)

1 Best Bird (ProfessorDrapion)

Not Voting (Yeet, furtiveglance, MalcolmTucker, butterchurn, JohnnyFarrar, Off the Hook, BlueBloodedToffee)

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-08-28 20:20:00)

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Prodding Yeet.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

BTW I really think BB is a wolf.


@Masons

If there is pushes on you, push BB or maybe even Pooky.

When has either BB or Pooky pushed any of the masons?

*smdh*

Like why are you trying to induce paranoia into something that has never yet happened and there’s been no indication of that happening in the furure?

But be rest assured in the extremely unlikely event of that happening Det. Nancy Drew will be lava hot on both of theie heels.

just smile and nod nancy

smile and nod

[butterflies]

[Best Bird]

Dear god can the non-voters vote please.

[Off The Hook]

~GE

[butterflies]

[Best Bird]

~GE

Oi - don’t birdgif me and then not vote.

Put down a vote.

[Off The Hook]

VOTE: Rad
I don’t feel that confident he’s scum but given he’s the sole wagon I think resolving him is fair.

~GE

[Rad]

Nothing wrong with that sweet Malcolm wagon that has 2 town on it right now

[Best Bird]

That sweet Malcolm wagon that you can’t make a good case on. Yup. That exists.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Hey! I take issue with that characterization

[Cytosine and Guanine]

If you take issue, you should fix it so that no one can claim such.
~Cytosine

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Do you think Malcolm is making up a read on Johnny and do you think it TMI’s Johnny an alignment? Do you think it’s NAI but just a really wolfy made up read?

Yeah I think it's made up? That's the whole point of my posts on this page...

If you look at why Malcolm townreads Johnny, he says it's:

1. because Bella pushed Johnny

Spoiler:

I disagree that she really pushed Johnny. Shaded yes but not really pushed. She never once voted for Johnny.

She also often brought up mala when she shaded Johnny, which makes me think she was trying to tie a partner to town.

As someone who's suspected Johnny for most of the game I think they're more likely to be town on the basis of Bella's posts.

The reads aren't consistently incredibly strong and they're definitely hedgy at times but I think it can be argued in retrospect a lot of Bella's play was coming from hedgy scum. In a game of this size, I don't think it's tactically wise to have down your "main" scumread as a teammate, especially when it's a teammate who is susceptible to suspicion as Johnny has been for plenty of the game so far. I'll do some ISO checks to make sure but moving Johnny more into my town-pile for now.

2. later, he says MathBlade's interactions cleared Johnny (then further amends this in 11363 by saying he confused Bella with MathBlade, which is plausible... this is a long game)

>>> 3. I ask why Malcolm is voting Mala on day 5 when Bella pushed Mala equally as hard as Johnny - shouldn't that be equally clearing from Malcolm's perspective due to point #1? <<< This is in 12230

where I repeated the exact reason Malcolm originally townread Johnny

(i.e. point #1).

Spoiler:

Outlined beforehand I liked the possibility of a CSF/Bella team, their interactions with each other felt like it could check out as scum teammates -

some soft TR's

with the occasional null read thrown in there just to create a little bit of distance.

I don't think this is true. Bella was not soft TR'ing me aside from early day 1.

Beyond that I don't think CSF's pushes have been great as of late and feel like they could be coming from scum trying to defend teammates and implicate other players I read as town. Is is not interesting, eg, that Cat continually pushes Johnny, who I think is looking really townie, and then as the day wears on a whole bunch of votes start to pile onto Johnny again?

If your whole reason for thinking Johnny is town is that "Bella kind of pushed Johnny as scum," then why is Mala ever a better vote here? Mala was (a) actually voted by Bella and (b) pushed by Corwin as his only scumread

This question is not really to you, but more to the peanut gallery, but I legitimately don't get it

Perhaps you don't think Mala has done enough to prove she's town, but what on earth has Johnny done either????

4. in response to 3, Malcolm says he's actually tr'ing Johnny b/c of his interactions with *MathBlade*, not Bella. Somehow he forgot why he townread Johnny in spite of me spelling it out for him in the post he's responding to.

Spoiler:

Outlined beforehand I liked the possibility of a CSF/Bella team, their interactions with each other felt like it could check out as scum teammates -

some soft TR's

with the occasional null read thrown in there just to create a little bit of distance.

I don't think this is true. Bella was not soft TR'ing me aside from early day 1.

Beyond that I don't think CSF's pushes have been great as of late and feel like they could be coming from scum trying to defend teammates and implicate other players I read as town. Is is not interesting, eg, that Cat continually pushes Johnny, who I think is looking really townie, and then as the day wears on a whole bunch of votes start to pile onto Johnny again?

If your whole reason for thinking Johnny is town is that "Bella kind of pushed Johnny as scum," then why is Mala ever a better vote here? Mala was (a) actually voted by Bella and (b) pushed by Corwin as his only scumread

This question is not really to you, but more to the peanut gallery, but I legitimately don't get it

Perhaps you don't think Mala has done enough to prove she's town, but what on earth has Johnny done either????

My primary reason for switching on Johnny was the Math/Johnny interactions for the most part. Don't believe they can be paired.

Beyond that I think Johnny's pushes have been solid this turn and we're agreeing on quite a bit now. Maybe a risk I'm getting pocketed but I think it's much more likely Johnny is also town and our views are just aligning on lots of things.

5. I point out the contradiction in #1 and #4 - the idea was to see if Malcolm evaluates his Mala read and radio silence. Instead, Malcolm leaves his vote on Mala who flipped town.

Spoiler:

Out of interest, who else do you reckon is scum other than Johnny? I liked the case on Johnny early game but struggling to see it following

Math's

elimination.

How does Math's elimination rule out Johnny?

Sorry I'm getting confused on who suspected who re scum. Math wasn't really pro-eliminating Johnny - Bella/Johnny was a different story. 10685 outlined why. Maybe it's possible I could be underestimating the amount of SvS stuff we've been seeing though? Some of Johnny's more recent posts don't fill me with confidence but I'm also aware I'm struggle to tonally townread them when they post which could be influencing where I'm at.

No, it was bella...

6. Now he's saying something vague like Johnny is town because of interactions with flipped scum. Why??? What interactions???? And why do I consistently find it easier to remember Malcolm's own reads than he does???

Added some posts

6. Now he's saying something vague like Johnny is town because of interactions with flipped scum. Why??? What interactions???? And why do I consistently find it easier to remember Malcolm's own reads than he does???

I'll follow this up by saying it's easy to forget some small things in a 500+ game with 26p.

It's NOT as easy for town to forget why your scumread on someone changed to a townread. That's what made the progression feel made up.

What do you think of this post, Cytosine?

[Best Bird]

lol +1 to that.

[Best Bird]

Ninja’d

[Rad]

Oh BB, I've explained many times why I believe Malcolm's scum. Lots of people here also lean scum on him. The reason I'm getting flipped here is a combo of Luke's misread on me (or your lie if you're not actually talking to Luke) and the fact that I don't play it very safe as town. So I make enemies and piss people off being open about my thoughts. I got a crazy imagination and some heafty paranoia and don't keep it to myself cause what's the fun in that?

It's ok though. Tomorrow can be Malcolm.

[Best Bird]

Sure sure but you are objectively scummy with what has been put forward here.

[Best Bird]

Remind me again why Taly is town?

[Best Bird]

Sorry - now Yeet is scum. Forgot about that switch.

[Rad]

Sure sure but you are objectively scummy with what has been put forward here.

Yeah but scummy doesn't mean I'm scum. Like, that's the easiest way for scum to pick off town, by pointing out scummy stuff town does. My town game is obvtown compared to my scum game, especially in a game this big where I've been talking my ass off for a month and keep putting myself into the spotlight to be limmed. I just pick fights when I should lay back and not do that. No one likes being called scum and I openly present wacky theories about people being scum cause I want to discuss them. I know I'm to blame here but I also find it more enjoyable as town to just openly discuss stuff than to keep my cards close.

I get that I need to be resolved. I've realized that ever since Bell died and it just got worse when Luke died. It'd be cool if town was able to hero read me here but I also worry that I become a liability later, so probably best to just flip me here. Kinda sucks cause I've commited a lot of time and energy to this game but also kinda cool because it occupies a huge amount of space in my brain and it'll be nice to move on.

[Best Bird]

Sure sure but you are objectively scummy with what has been put forward here.

Yeah but scummy doesn't mean I'm scum. Like, that's the easiest way for scum to pick off town, by pointing out scummy stuff town does. My town game is obvtown compared to my scum game, especially in a game this big where I've been talking my ass off for a month and keep putting myself into the spotlight to be limmed. I just pick fights when I should lay back and not do that. No one likes being called scum and I openly present wacky theories about people being scum cause I want to discuss them. I know I'm to blame here but I also find it more enjoyable as town to just openly discuss stuff than to keep my cards close.

I get that I need to be resolved. I've realized that ever since Bell died and it just got worse when Luke died. It'd be cool if town was able to hero read me here but I also worry that I become a liability later, so probably best to just flip me here. Kinda sucks cause I've commited a lot of time and energy to this game but also kinda cool because it occupies a huge amount of space in my brain and it'll be nice to move on.

Color me confused because how else is town supposed to find scum but for scummy behavior? You’ve been resigned to your flip quite a bit but continue to action opposite of your words. That’s also scummy.

[butterflies]

Remind me again why Taly is town?

Sorry - now Yeet is scum. Forgot about that switch.

No, that slot is locktown from Toog’s 2nd post and Math/Taly interactions during the gladiate. I will hard veto any attempts to (no pun intended) ever yeet that slot.

[Rad]

Remind me again why Taly is town?

I think this is a question for me?

Like honestly, I don't have a strong personal read on Taly's slot one way or the other (like I do with, say, BBT and CSF here). I've mentioned it before but for most of Day 1, Taly would post and I would read it and all the content would just vanish from my memory. I started taking that as a sign that Taly might be scum, and so I put Taly as scummiest on my list for Ceph. Then the gladiate played out and I just got a town read on Taly somehow. I pay attention closely to how emotions are being presented and that's often where I get my reads from. Something about the gladiate experience pushed me towards likely town read on Taly.

Further, Nancy has hard town locked and hard defended Taly since Day 1. I see that as 2 potentials. Maybe scum!Nancy is white-knighting Taly. Or maybe town!Nancy has such a good read on Taly that she's willing to burn everything down to protect the slot. Either way, I feel like that's a good reason to read the Taly slot as town and so I've just placed Taly as likely town for most of the game.

[butterflies]

My PT partner brought up the fact that they don't trust me, that I could be scum, and that I basically asked for a free pass through Day 1.

For those not in the know, I was involved in a head on collision last Friday night. My kids were in the car with me. I was ambulances to the ER, but thankfully my kids walked away with minor injuries.

I am doing some daily physical therapy and we are working with lawyers and insurance right now, and in my down time I am trying to relax and rest.

I don't anticipate this being problematic beyond this week, but if people feel I'm getting a pass, or need to replace out, I will.

---

I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.

My role is Shannon, my partner is Boone. We are in a PT called Kissing Siblings, which I don't recall them being incestual at all, lol.

At any rate, I will get to this eventually.

Toog NEVER makes this post as scum. I will yeet anyone in the game before Yeet/Taly. Yeet is never scum here!

[Rad]

Sure sure but you are objectively scummy with what has been put forward here.

Yeah but scummy doesn't mean I'm scum. Like, that's the easiest way for scum to pick off town, by pointing out scummy stuff town does. My town game is obvtown compared to my scum game, especially in a game this big where I've been talking my ass off for a month and keep putting myself into the spotlight to be limmed. I just pick fights when I should lay back and not do that. No one likes being called scum and I openly present wacky theories about people being scum cause I want to discuss them. I know I'm to blame here but I also find it more enjoyable as town to just openly discuss stuff than to keep my cards close.

I get that I need to be resolved. I've realized that ever since Bell died and it just got worse when Luke died. It'd be cool if town was able to hero read me here but I also worry that I become a liability later, so probably best to just flip me here. Kinda sucks cause I've commited a lot of time and energy to this game but also kinda cool because it occupies a huge amount of space in my brain and it'll be nice to move on.

Color me confused because how else is town supposed to find scum but for scummy behavior? You’ve been resigned to your flip quite a bit but continue to action opposite of your words. That’s also scummy.

I think HEM suggested in a different game that you gotta look at actions from both town and scum angles and figure out which makes more sense. Or maybe it was Bell or Ceph lol. So I try to follow that advice when I can, whoever gave it. Everyone's doing scummy shit in every game. I bet the more skilled scum are probably less scummy than town in most games, yeah? So finding people being scummy probably isn't the best approach here, but I'm a newbie so I might be completely wrong.

As for me trying to preserve myself here, consider it an addiction to this game specifically due to how much effort I've put in