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Post Post #1350 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:51 am

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In post 1317, Roden wrote:
In post 1242, Radical Rat wrote:Wait, what am I responding to?
In post 1098, Roden wrote:
In post 1056, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 1052, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1047, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 1045, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1043, furtiveglance wrote:Well, so far it seems like GL and Loki are leaning towards Dannflor, and Fire/Vivax/RR are leaning towards kuti plz.
Anyway, follow up to this is I'd know who I'd rather vote with, regardless of who we're actually voting.
This actually does concern me as well. Unfortunately, I have concerns on both sides, and those concerns aren't likely to be alleviated until I get to see how Dann and kuti flip.
What are your concerns and who with?
Vivax is the obvious one. It worries me greatly that my top scumread from D1 has arrived at the same conclusion, but with so many scum it seems a bit farfetched that BOTH leading wagons were on scum. Plus if kuti IS scum it actually makes Vivax look significantly better.

And then I also have a growing paranoia that GL could be deepwolfing here, but that isn't really substantiated by anything yet. I just find it very strange that no one has really expressed suspicion on him. Like, you'd think at least one or two scum would be trying to sow doubt on a true obvtown. And then if Dannflor flips green.... Not a great look.


But without flips I can't really draw proper conclusions here. Kitty's flip is... Spectacularly uninformative, which is why there may have been merit to scum sacrificing him. This pair is going to be much juicier though
There've been a few slots that haven't had much suspicion on them, not just GL. Why him in particular?


To finally answer this, do you have an example? Because GL's the only one I've noticed getting townread by basically everyone with no contest. Except for myself I guess, but even then I DO actually townread him, it's just a gnawing paranoia
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Post Post #1351 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:52 am

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i don't think ive ever said i townread GL
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Post Post #1352 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:53 am

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In post 1348, Radical Rat wrote:I agree, it has to be Bell here, and your defense of him is probably exactly why.

I didn't personally find anything particularly scummy about Bell, but I do think furtive was pretty Townie, and I believe someone said before that inactivity was scum indicative for Bell? And indeed he hasn't been super active.
Yeah but that obviously mean I’m wrong on someone, I guess probably you then, since Vulture wanted to rush Dann vote. Roden obvtown read Dann but voted him after GL put him to e-1, why? If you’re that super confident on Dann!town, why would you wait so long to vote?

So Kitty, Kuti, Vulture, Roden and Bell?

That’s my current solve.
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Post Post #1353 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:56 am

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In post 1351, fireisredsir wrote:i don't think ive ever said i townread GL
Why don’t you?
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Post Post #1354 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:56 am

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Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.
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Post Post #1355 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:57 am

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In post 1353, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1351, fireisredsir wrote:i don't think ive ever said i townread GL
Why don’t you?
maybe i do

but ive never said that i do

do i?

who knows
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Post Post #1356 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:58 am

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i don't really think its vulture but idk i don't think im great at reading them
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Post Post #1357 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:59 am

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In post 1356, fireisredsir wrote:i don't really think its vulture but idk i don't think im great at reading them
No one is anymore it’s okay.

I’m being limp this game too.
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Post Post #1358 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:59 am

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In post 1354, Vulture wrote:Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.
Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town. :shifty:
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Post Post #1359 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:02 am

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In post 1358, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1354, Vulture wrote:Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.
Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town. :shifty:
Yes, I suggested a plan in which we bumrush Dannflor through.

Where does that get me if I’m mafia?
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Post Post #1360 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:05 am

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In post 1359, Vulture wrote:
In post 1358, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1354, Vulture wrote:Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.
Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town. :shifty:
Yes, I suggested a plan in which we bumrush Dannflor through.

Where does that get me if I’m mafia?
A point.
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Post Post #1361 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:07 am

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In post 1360, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1359, Vulture wrote:
In post 1358, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1354, Vulture wrote:Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.
Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town. :shifty:
Yes, I suggested a plan in which we bumrush Dannflor through.

Where does that get me if I’m mafia?
A point.
And how does my team win in the long run from this?

Furthermore, what rhetoric did I present that was compelling enough to make people follow through on killing Dann.
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Post Post #1362 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:08 am

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I’m pretty much set on voting Bell. I just can’t see furtive being scum here.
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Post Post #1363 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:09 am

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Why is furtive town in your opinion.
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Post Post #1364 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:09 am

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In post 1354, Vulture wrote:Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.
I feel limp too, I'm looking for a strong emotion to work off.
Currently presuming that Bell is 4woof and Loki Zander, but could be a false trail

Don't see much reason to deviate from my solve atp
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Post Post #1365 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:10 am

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In post 1361, Vulture wrote:
In post 1360, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1359, Vulture wrote:
In post 1358, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1354, Vulture wrote:Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.
Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town. :shifty:
Yes, I suggested a plan in which we bumrush Dannflor through.

Where does that get me if I’m mafia?
A point.
And how does my team win in the long run from this?

Furthermore, what rhetoric did I present that was compelling enough to make people follow through on killing Dann.
Why would town advocate rushing the vote?
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Post Post #1366 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:11 am

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In post 1364, Vivax wrote:
In post 1354, Vulture wrote:Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.
I feel limp too, I'm looking for a strong emotion to work off.
Currently presuming that Bell is 4woof and Loki Zander, but could be a false trail

Don't see much reason to deviate from my solve atp
Vivaciously vexingly virulent.
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Post Post #1367 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:11 am

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In post 1363, Vulture wrote:Why is furtive town in your opinion.
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Post Post #1368 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:12 am

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In post 1365, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1361, Vulture wrote:
In post 1360, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1359, Vulture wrote:
In post 1358, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1354, Vulture wrote:Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.
Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town. :shifty:
Yes, I suggested a plan in which we bumrush Dannflor through.

Where does that get me if I’m mafia?
A point.
And how does my team win in the long run from this?

Furthermore, what rhetoric did I present that was compelling enough to make people follow through on killing Dann.
Why would town advocate rushing the vote?
I explained at the time that not allowing potential mafia to build up credit via bus could be worthwhile. I later was reticent to do anything of this sort and said as much.

What is my team’s game plan if I advocate to rush the vote. How do we win.
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Post Post #1369 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:13 am

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In post 1367, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1363, Vulture wrote:Why is furtive town in your opinion.
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If you’re going to be unhelpful I will too and let you draw your wrong assumptions all the way to a town loss.
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Post Post #1370 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:15 am

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In post 1369, Vulture wrote:
In post 1367, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1363, Vulture wrote:Why is furtive town in your opinion.
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If you’re going to be unhelpful I will too and let you draw your wrong assumptions all the way to a town loss.
You were voting Dann, you’re not exactly in any position to criticize my reads here.
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Post Post #1371 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:16 am

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In post 1370, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1369, Vulture wrote:
In post 1367, Loki Dokie wrote:
In post 1363, Vulture wrote:Why is furtive town in your opinion.
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If you’re going to be unhelpful I will too and let you draw your wrong assumptions all the way to a town loss.
You were voting Dann, you’re not exactly in any position to criticize my reads here.
You’re refusing to elaborate for no reason.
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Post Post #1372 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:17 am

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Like literally being evasive to the question I have asked for what I can tell is no reason as town.
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Post Post #1373 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:17 am

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Questions even, but the furtive one is more pressing.
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Post Post #1374 (ISO) » Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:17 am

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I think furtive’s ISO looks pretty damned townie. You want me to pull up quotes?
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