Open 862: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Not_Mafia]

Pagetop

[Kop]

Are you callign Enchant scum Kop?

Not necessarily calling Enchant scum, I'm just not agreeing with BBT's views with his progression, and where his vote is.

Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.

If you're believing that the chances of them both being town as high, why would you vote for one of them? Why aren't you putting the case forward for them being town, and actually voting for the person who YOU believe is to be scum, and put the case forward?

I know if I was in you're shoes, if I believed the chances of someone being town, I wouldn't be voting them to get them eliminated, even at this late stage of the day. I'd be trying to build cases on who I believed to be scum and trying to get them eliminated.

Who know. Maybe i just won game by collecting all mafia on my wagon.

I think the chances of all the scum team being on your wagon, is very very low, but not out of the question.

Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.

I'd say quite low And Jake's lecturing is a lot easier to fake as scum than Enchant's frustration is

Frustration can also be faked as scum.

I'd say quite low And Jake's lecturing is a lot easier to fake as scum than Enchant's frustration is

Disagree that both can't be town but agree that Jake seems more likely to be scum.

If Frog's attack on the hydra at start of D2 was from scum, I'm impressed.

VOTE: Jake

E-1 I think?

You said the chances were high for both being town, but now it's changed. What made you change your mind?

I think he (and others) probably caught in trap where possible elims are you or me.

We should yolowagon someone else as well. Why not.

Within the time frame that we have, I don't think we could get another wagon going, with everyone agreeing with it.

Assuming there's no extension (and I don't know how much good it would do at this point), gun to your head right now, out of the two big wagons, where would your vote go?

My mind is inclining to go with Jake, tbh.

[Enchant]

You not agree with me voting Jake?

[Kop]

You not agree with me voting Jake?

I didn't say that, I was talking about BBT.

[Kop]

I was talking about the fact that BBT said that you and Jake had a high chance of flipping town, but yet has his vote there, and his natural progression that Jake is the likely one to flip scum, without any explanation. It doesn't feel right, and I don't agree with it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What do you suppose I do, Kop?

[Kop]

What do you suppose I do, Kop?

Explain your progression. Why did you go from both being highly likely to be town, to Jake being the likeliest scum out of them two?

[Bellaphant]

@nancy, as far as I'm aware, Auro scum read me because of misreading a vote count - he said I was the first vote on day two when I wasnt. That's why 'vcs' are linked in my mind: does that make things clearer? Auro really hasn't explained their scum read on me elsewise.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

@nancy, as far as I'm aware, Auro scum read me because of misreading a vote count - he said I was the first vote on day two when I wasnt. That's why 'vcs' are linked in my mind: does that make things clearer? Auro really hasn't explained their scum read on me elsewise.

I think he realized his mistake? I’ll ask him to elaborate on his read of you more.

So, now that Kop has posted some content, has your read on them changed at all?

[Jake The Wolfie]

Kop seems fairly decent, but still null in my mind, hasn't done anything noteworthy yet.

[Don Draper x Mistress]

@nancy, as far as I'm aware, Auro scum read me because of misreading a vote count - he said I was the first vote on day two when I wasnt. That's why 'vcs' are linked in my mind: does that make things clearer? Auro really hasn't explained their scum read on me elsewise.

Admitting my mistake in reading the Votecounts implied an invalidation of my own scumread on you along those lines.

What pinged me harder is this line:

Do you think our mistakes (in parsing the VoteCounts / tracking the Enchant wagon) were deliberate? I'm not sure what kind of reassurance you were expecting.

I see your post clarifying that it was targeted towards a different slot. However, it still strikes me as an odd reason to cause worry/paranoia.

-Mistress

[Don Draper x Mistress]

Nah, most likely result will be "Ugh well Enchant deserves this, so anyway let's kill NM"

Have you been treated this way in other games? What makes you think that will be the most likely result? You're assuming bad faith play from town.

-Mistress

[Bellaphant]

Cool, why else though? I've been asking you to clarify and come chat to me.

I feel better about the kop slot

[Enchant]

You're assuming bad faith play from town.

-Mistress

Of course.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What do you suppose I do, Kop?

Explain your progression. Why did you go from both being highly likely to be town, to Jake being the likeliest scum out of them two?

They can both be highly likely to be town AND have one slot more likely to be scum than the other.

It's not a mutually exclusive thing. For arguments sake, let's say I think there is a 90% chance that both flip town. I can think this but also think that there is a 1% chance Enchant flips scum and a 5% chance that Jake flips scum and therefore Jake is more likely to flip scum than Enchant.

Does that make sense?

[Enchant]

Idk, Me+Jake(who want to support it)+you is already half of needed wagon.

Nothing is impossible.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

For what Enchant?

[Enchant]

It doesh't mean that i agree (I kinda dislike Jake anyway), i just find excuse that we don't have time is bad.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

As of right now, we have 13 hours.

If a wagon sprung up and garnered enough votes in that short space of time I would probably be suspicious about it and get cold feet anyway so I'm not sure it's a great idea regardless.

[Enchant]

But you all said so even when we had 4 days.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're right, I didn't realise we still had so much time back when I was voting you.

My reads wavered a bit on both slots though so I didn't feel as strongly then as I do now regarding Jake and yourself if that makes sense?

I also don't feel I have enough to push Bella or Penguin so it just feels like my hands are tied and we're in a pretty shitty position.

[Bellaphant]

Who would you vote now @enchant @jake

[Not_Mafia]

I was talking about the fact that BBT said that you and Jake had a high chance of flipping town, but yet has his vote there, and his natural progression that Jake is the likely one to flip scum, without any explanation. It doesn't feel right, and I don't agree with it.

Where is the contradiction here Have you never had to vote between two competing wagons you didn't like and had to settle for one over the other

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i had a better wagon idea i would go hard on it. But as it is, i see no reason to not want Enxhant dead.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Norwegian, did you spend time figuring out if you were right about Enchant or not?

If so, can you concisely explain your scum read on them please?