Open 861: The Turing Test [game over]

[Radical Rat]

I'm just struggling to figure out how to participate without inducing WIFOM by just existing

I feel like I'm in a weird spot where anything I say is going to get interpreted as being way more layered than it actually is. Some of the votes on Dann were made because of a pre-flipped read on me and looking too deeply into my town read on him. Idk, I don't want to ruin the game by centralizing who to vote for over things that are in my ISO.

So your argument is that you waited to vote Kuti once GL had already put him to e-1 not to wifom scum? Your vote did absolutely nothing to help Dann atp because had I voted Kuti, it would have been a tie and the earlier tie always wins, so I think for that to have really made any sense, you wouldn’t have waited until it was extremely likely too late to save him.

You do realize that no one in this game is a mindreader right. Your analysis doesn’t mean a lot unless you present why and I’ve like mortally offended you by asking to see why. I don’t get it lol.

Personality things tho I guess.

I can assure you Vulture, I have absolutely nothing personally against you, I just don’t tr you.

You do realize that no one in this game is a mindreader right.

Your analysis doesn’t mean a lot unless you present why and I’ve like mortally offended you by asking to see why. I don’t get it lol.

Aw not this again after all I've went through to prove otherwise, sometimes more sometimes less
I shouldn't have an incentive to convince you otherwise
But neurologically, the causality of electric potentials being given specific qualia isn't explainable from the assumption that there isn't something undetectable by technical means they correlate with
This isn't even a novelty in the field

Back on topic:
Roden, Bell, you being the last ones here presumably

Looks like it was just Loki and Vivax, but including myself that makes half of us here.

[Radical Rat]

can you point out what posts from others made you think that people were leaning that way?

Now may I ask what relevancy this exercise had?

[Radical Rat]

it kind of almost feels like RR is in the same position Bell was in on D1

And what position is that?

[fireisredsir]

can you point out what posts from others made you think that people were leaning that way?

Now may I ask what relevancy this exercise had?

its relevant to whether that was a real thought that you had or if you were just trying to align yourself with loki

[fireisredsir]

also this is off topic but yk the little symbol that shows on the thread when its night? i had never looked at it closely enough to see that its a moon

i thought it was an oreo

idk why i just accepted that as normal and never questioned it

Obvious lie ik who you are but you‘re masking up
Scary at this game and intriguing

i am me, and whoever you think i am is probably not me

i do aspire to someday be both of those descriptors but i don't think i am yet

[fireisredsir]

can you point out what posts from others made you think that people were leaning that way?

Now may I ask what relevancy this exercise had?

its relevant to whether that was a real thought that you had or if you were just trying to align yourself with loki

i also just wanted to prod at it a lil bit bc that wasn't the reaction i had at all, since my solve has been the same since d1 and nothing has happened to change it, including this test

so i was interested in why you seemed to think that thought was one that would be shared by the town

[GuiltyLion]

I still scumread Rat/Roden otherwise. I shouldn't confbias but tbh I could see a kuti/Bell/Roden/Rat team making that Dann-kuti test and hoping we fuck it up, which we did. Rat kinda easily let me talk them onto Dann and I haven't checked this to confirm yet but it felt like Roden didn't vote kuti until Dann clearly had more momentum. If I'm wrong on one of them I could see a world with Vulture scum I guess, but less confident on a SR there.

Rat also didn't quote this post from me

I am not sure whether scum or town is more likely to miss this though - I almost think if town they're more likely to forget my reads than scum who would (presumably) be looking over all of town's reads to try to figure out the best possible tests remaining

[Aristeia]

it kind of almost feels like RR is in the same position Bell was in on D1

And what position is that?

cornered mafia who is aware of their own position

[Radical Rat]

I still scumread Rat/Roden otherwise. I shouldn't confbias but tbh I could see a kuti/Bell/Roden/Rat team making that Dann-kuti test and hoping we fuck it up, which we did. Rat kinda easily let me talk them onto Dann and I haven't checked this to confirm yet but it felt like Roden didn't vote kuti until Dann clearly had more momentum. If I'm wrong on one of them I could see a world with Vulture scum I guess, but less confident on a SR there.

Rat also didn't quote this post from me

I am not sure whether scum or town is more likely to miss this though - I almost think if town they're more likely to forget my reads than scum who would (presumably) be looking over all of town's reads to try to figure out the best possible tests remaining

I was skimming through and saw the first bit, thought "Me/Roden isn't Vulture/Roden" and moved on

[Radical Rat]

it kind of almost feels like RR is in the same position Bell was in on D1

And what position is that?

cornered mafia who is aware of their own position

Bell wasn't cornered D1 though?

[GuiltyLion]

also I started re-ISOing Greeting and I'm remembering how much I didn't like their initial play and reads lol

the tunnel on Rat was just so contrived, I could see it as either distancing or pushing a miselim but maaaan I did not like that read justification

[GuiltyLion]

Greeting also has really superficial interactions with kuti/Bell, talks to each of them about past experience/games but really doesn't do much by way of pressuring, sorting, giving-a-read-on, etc

[fireisredsir]

also I started re-ISOing Greeting and I'm remembering how much I didn't like their initial play and reads lol

the tunnel on Rat was just so contrived, I could see it as either distancing or pushing a miselim but maaaan I did not like that read justification

i just did the same lol

[fireisredsir]

Okay, well, I think

KittyTacky

is more likely town than scum.

Posts 368, 373 are made by town and exhibit a towny mindset. Plus this registers in my mind as something

KittyTacky

would say. So yeah, he's out of the PoE for Day 1.

this post was also really bad

i thought i remembered someone calling it out but idr who

[Vivax]

also this is off topic but yk the little symbol that shows on the thread when its night? i had never looked at it closely enough to see that its a moon

i thought it was an oreo

idk why i just accepted that as normal and never questioned it

Obvious lie ik who you are but you‘re masking up
Scary at this game and intriguing

i am me, and whoever you think i am is probably not me

i do aspire to someday be both of those descriptors but i don't think i am yet

im half delirant rn cuz health, but you are usually paler
and I don‘t think that’s something worth aspiring to said from someone born that way
unless you think self isolation cuz too alien is fun

[Loki Dokie]

Roden and Vulture are found unconscious. a gun with one bullet lies in between the two of them.

it is now day 4.

Oh wow, from two of my trs to to of my scumreads. :/

It won’t be as easy as last time.

[GuiltyLion]

I honestly think

furtiveglance

reacted the way he did in 570, 581 and 654, because he is scum. A real townie has

no reason

to be annoyed about what happened. The most logical thing to do for a town-aligned player is to accept it and look elsewhere. And that's what almost everyone did. Or, if one still thinks that I'm scum, look into my ISO and build a better, more convincing case.

Furtiveglance

did not want to let it go.

This is my best read for Day 1. It's unfortunate that it surfaced like this and I honestly feel bad that it surfaced this way, but it looks like hard proof to me. I feel like if I choose any other player or build any other case it will still be a second-best choice.

at the time I thought this was a fairly townie read to have

both having the general thought of "scum would be annoyed that I towntold" and the depiction of feeling guilty that they believe they caught scum this way, it felt real to me

my one hang up now is that I realized in 589 Greeting had previously said they "understand why furtive is annoyed with this", which seems fairly massively contradictory to the post quoted above

I'm not sure if I'm reaching to find more reasons to SR Greeting or if this is actually an indicative point

[fireisredsir]

im half delirant rn cuz health, but you are usually paler
and I don‘t think that’s something worth aspiring to said from someone born that way
unless you think self isolation cuz too alien is fun

hope u feel better

i wouldn't call it fun, necessarily, but it is at least comfortable

[fireisredsir]

I honestly think

furtiveglance

reacted the way he did in 570, 581 and 654, because he is scum. A real townie has

no reason

to be annoyed about what happened. The most logical thing to do for a town-aligned player is to accept it and look elsewhere. And that's what almost everyone did. Or, if one still thinks that I'm scum, look into my ISO and build a better, more convincing case.

Furtiveglance

did not want to let it go.

This is my best read for Day 1. It's unfortunate that it surfaced like this and I honestly feel bad that it surfaced this way, but it looks like hard proof to me. I feel like if I choose any other player or build any other case it will still be a second-best choice.

at the time I thought this was a fairly townie read to have

both having the general thought of "scum would be annoyed that I towntold" and the depiction of feeling guilty that they believe they caught scum this way, it felt real to me

my one hang up now is that I realized in 589 Greeting had previously said they "understand why furtive is annoyed with this", which seems fairly massively contradictory to the post quoted above

I'm not sure if I'm reaching to find more reasons to SR Greeting or if this is actually an indicative point

LOL

i mean thats pretty bad

[GuiltyLion]

to be specific:

I understand why furtiveglance is annoyed with this

. I actually had to sub out of a game in here in the past, because I didn't accept mental health as a valid excuse and unknowingly offended other players.

Oh, and of course I made a fuss about it

.

A real townie has no reason to be annoyed about what happened

.

is this contradiction possible from town? the more I look at it the more I think this is the kind of 180 that only comes from scum. I don't see how both posts can be genuine simultaneously

[fireisredsir]

i will say i am a little confused at some minor points around which town scum choose for the tests so far (mostly the previous two days?) and it feels fairly suboptimal and that always worries me a little bit

but we can talk about those thoughts tomorrow if necessary, hopefully we can just get it right today and not worry about it

[GuiltyLion]

actually I guess Greeting was voting/SRing furtive when they posted 589, so in that sense

maybe

they meant "understand" as in "I understand why scum is annoyed with this", but I'd want to check to see whatever past game Greeting is referencing whether they were town or scum. And the overall post doesn't read like Greeting thinks furtive is scum, so that wouldn't really make sense in general, and then why would they only start ramping up the intensity of the conclusion later if they thought they caught scum from the get-go?

[fireisredsir]

he was town in the referenced game

[Loki Dokie]

Joined: July 14, 2020
Pronoun: He/him
Post Post #303 (isolation #59) » Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:30 pm

In post 189, Roden wrote:

Dann's obvtown here ~ Roden

No. They aren't. ~ Bell

Possible anti-associative?

[Loki Dokie]

Kuti vs Dann is also just ???

Unless scum are desperate to tie up the score, I don't see how Dann is ever scum here

Roden, if you're town and Dann is never scum here, why do you think mafia put mafia!kuti against town!Dann instead of you

Kuti is an odd choice, my only guess is that mafia needs Dann dead and that they think they can send me up against pretty much anyone and score. A dead influential townie now and a free point later isn't the worst strat in hindsight.

I dunno I need to sleep on it and really articulate it but I have this knawing fear that Dann is the deep wolf and furtive/Vivax/fire/Loki/Ari is basically the town bloc and Rat and Roden are trying to go for this "the simple explanation is correct kuti is kafia" tack with like NO apparent doubt that Dann might be scum, to try to get it back to even. Why would mafia be ok with risking going down 2-0, at that point town could fluke into a win on any of the last three tests it's such a dangerous position. If I were mafia and down 1-0 I'd be putting forward what I thought was one of our best chances to win a point

It sure is fun getting accused of being bad level zero scum every single game

Roden was advocating for Kuti lim but Greeting has in both instances tried to lead us astray. They tried to rush Dann vote than gave me shit for not explaining enough my furtive tr.

It’s pretty damned obvious scum was hoping I would hard defend Bell and I could see Vulture as possible salty scum who was annoyed that went in the opposite direction.

Idk but they have been very vocal and aggressive in both pushing Dann and furtive.